[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Please tell me where it says any of that in the Bible. Book, chapter, and verse

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Show me why I'm wrong in saying so. Give me the book, chapter and verse. Your such the expert in such, correct? It seems that you have come to think your in such high standings with the Lord. I'm quite curious as to why you think that way. Is it that you believe that your saved? Tell me, do you have the most common gift to those who received the Holy Spirit?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I already gave you a good response as to why you were wrong, including Bible references. I guess you didn't bother to read it, just as you didn't bother to read the Bible. Oh well.

Why don't you leave it up to God and stop wasting your time telling people that they are wrong?

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? I, the Lord, search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." (Jeremiah 17:9-10). This being the exclusive prerogative of God, we leave it alone, knowing that we can never convince someone that they are doing something wrong.
What we do is what we are commanded to do. There are two verses that show our commission well: "CRY aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins." (Isaiah 58:1); and "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine." (2 Timothy 4:2). We preach.
We preach the unvarnished word which the Bible calls "a more sure word of prophecy, unto which ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts;" (2 Peter 1:19). For we know of a certainty that we are commanded to preach and we know "after that, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe." (1 Corinthians 1:21).
So, we certainly know that we have absolutely no power or ability to show anyone where he or she went wrong. Everything begins and ends at the commandment of God and we are altogether content to leave all matters of the heart to Him. This in no wise means that we should leave off preaching, for we are expressly commanded to do so, however it is received. As God thrice reminds Ezekiel: "Whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear (for they are a rebellious house), yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them." (Ezekiel 2:5; 2:7; and 3:11).

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Such a response from you, is it because you have no other? The King James Bible is in front of me as we speak. References to the Bible are of no use here as they are so misinterpreted and it fills me with remorse to see such. Your name on this forum is Heathen Basher. Do you think me as a heathen?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Please, tell me how I have misinterpreted the Bible

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I never accused you of doing such but the Bible is often misinterpreted. If you do think of me as a heathen then thats your own opinion and I will not hold it against you.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

You have not told me your religious beliefs, so no, can't say I think you are a heathen. From the sounds of it, you probably fall under the "false Christian" category.

Now then, back on topic. What do you think about what the Bible has to say about rape?

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Well, You have seen my earlier post and should have an idea where I stand with the subject. Entirely it should be punishable in my eyes because it can violate not only a Commandment but the rule of saving yourself until marriage.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29
This verse was quoted I believe but I do not believe this to say that it is acceptable to rape and simply use funds and marriage to atone.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

So you agree - raped women should be forced to marry their rapists, according to the Bible? Thank you. Perhaps I was wrong to call you a false Christian...

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

No, I do not agree and if that means I have befallen upon the name of false Christian in your eyes than so be it.

Nowhere does it say in the Bible that a raped woman should be forced to be married with her rapist.

The rapist should be punished not the victim of rape.

It's these types of interpretations that I spoke of.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Deuteronomy 22: 28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Do you have any reason to say these words have been "misinterpreted" (seem pretty straightforward to me...), or do you just FEEL like the Bible isn't right here?

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

It does not state that a man who forcibly rapes a woman may pay her father for marriage to atone. Man's interpretation clouds the very words of God. "Lay hold on her" is not the meaning of rape. Such foul mockery of understanding is a disgrace to the Lord.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Kid, do you know Hebrew? Because that's what it says in the Hebrew - rape. If you think it doesn't, please prove to me otherwise.

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/22-28.htm

There is the passage listed in several different translations. All the scholars seem to agree on the meaning.

Do you think this is referring to a man and woman having consensual sex?

Then please explain why earlier in the same chapter it listed the law in regard to a man and woman having consensual sex before marriage? Why was it repeated, in the same chapter, and with a different punishment?

[SageAnonymousKnight]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

That particular reference has many translations that contradict another. As for the earlier chapter maybe you should look more into the wording that is used to describe the scenario. I have read many instances of the Bible and to be honest many of them differ.

Wisdom does not come in age but experience. You are also a "kid" in the eyes of elders. So, kindly don't use that against me.

You said it yourself, leave it up to God.

His words are his words alone.

It also says in the Bible to respect the laws of man and rape is crime in our laws. If you want to argue upon those words than I suggest you to re-read because I am not quoting an exact verse.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Let me guess, English is not your first language? It's okay, I'll try to understand you despite the retardation.

None of them contradict each other. They all agree that the woman was violated.

I did not use kid against you because of your age. I have no idea what your age is, it's just a manner of speaking. Though, if I had to guess, I'd say maybe 13?

You need to reread what I wrote. What I leave up to God is salvation. Only He can save you. However, we have a duty to judge our neighbors and tell them of their sins.

Yes, God's words are God's alone. So why are you trying to deny them?

You're not quoting an exact verse because you can't, because you've never looked inside a Bible in your life, am I right?