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  • stairway to heaven
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    #106
    Re: Masturbation

    hey guys, did you ever think that KJV1611 bible might not be the only version of christianity floating about? Sure the KJV is important but only because it consolidated the many versions of the bible into one singular version so that all churches could preach from the same book. However, this means that the bible had at least one thousand, six hundred and eleven years to evolve into its present form. Now surely this means that some of the stories and teachings have become slightly warped along the way. As I am sure you know, printing presses were not generally used until way after the 17th century, this means that all it took for the bible to be irrevocably changed was for the monk who happened to be copying it out at the time to slip in a bit of his own feelings amongst the proverbs, a little bit of discrimination here, a little bit of sexism there and hey presto, the bible according to john smith. So how can you be sure that the version which you adhere so desperately to is the right version of events by which to live your daily lives? Of course, these minor discrepancies in what is in many ways a convincing read would be fine if you didnt insist on literal interpretations of every teaching of the bible, I personally believe that the bible is open to interpretation and take some of its many contadictions as proof of the fact that whoever wrote it did not ment it to be interpreted literally. (did you ever think that jesus did not write a single word of the bible, some of it was left to people to write over 200 years down the line, of course, after that much time, even the most holy of memories could begin to get a little bit foggy) Of course faith is important in peoples lives, it is something which our moral code is based on (a more complicated version of 'what would jesus do') and something which many people could not survive without, however, in this most modern of eras, should we really be basing our lives on what is basically a 2000 year old moral handbook? The bible's views on issues such as masturbation are more often than not based on ancient medical or philosophical thought rather than words from the mouth of god. Now that we have obtained much more reliable medical evidence that shows that masturbation may be good for people (as it releases a torrent of chemicals into the body which increase brain activity and generally make us feel better about ourselves) it is in fact the bible which is out of date. Now, im not suggesting that the bible as a whole is out of date, much of it contains teachings which are quite possibly more relevant now than they were at the time of them being written, however, now that we know that masturbation is good for you and black people have the same brain capacity as white people and therefore in the eyes of science must be considered equal and that women are in no way inferior to men (in fact they are more flexible, are often more logical and are better drivers than men! As is show by insurance quotes for both men and women. It is probably also worth pointing out that America in the next few years is quite likely to get its first woman president.) surely people such as yourselves should be considering alternative viewpoints to the ones you already hold?

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    • Wash O'Hanley
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      #107
      Re: Masturbation

      Thanks for the wall of text, your refusal to separate paragraphs has landed you an infraction point.
      Last edited by Wash O'Hanley; 03-16-2007, 08:30 PM.
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      • Bobby-Joe
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        #108
        Re: Masturbation

        Originally posted by stairway to heaven View Post
        hey guys, did you ever think that KJV1611 bible might not be the only version of christianity floating about? ?
        We are aware of the false satanic bibles out there.

        Friend, I think you are getting fixated on the details not the bigger truth here. The big truth here is if you say that the Bible has been messed with then you are saying God is too incompetent or too uncaring to see that His message to the world is properly taken care of. If you believe that then you believe God as defined by Christianity does not exist.

        A Christian must take it as a matter of faith that any changes that have been made in the Bible ether never happened or happened the way God wanted them to.

        Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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        • Rev. Dr. Davidson
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          #109
          Re: Masturbation

          As Brother Wash pointed out, use paragraphs. I have a headache after trying to read. You completely dropped the ball when you added that "women are better drivers" comment, trying to sneak it past.

          Are you a carpet muncher, or just a lesbian?
          "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
          (Leviticus 21:6-7)

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          • stairway to heaven
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            #110
            Re: Masturbation

            Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
            We are aware of the false satanic bibles out there.

            Friend, I think you are getting fixated on the details not the bigger truth here. The big truth here is if you say that the Bible has been messed with then you are saying God is too incompetent or too uncaring to see that His message to the world is properly taken care of. If you believe that then you believe God as defined by Christianity does not exist.

            A Christian must take it as a matter of faith that any changes that have been made in the Bible ether never happened or happened the way God wanted them to.
            Theoretically, I agree with you, however, I simply cannot accept the fact that god affected the outcome of such events. Using simple reasoning, what would be the point in him doing so, according to the bible, we are put on this earth as a test of our faith in god. Therefore, if god is pulling strings behind the scenes, surely the need for this great test becomes obsolete. If god is controlling things that are said and things that happen in the world, then in theory, shouldnt everyone pass the test with flying colours? Now of course, this cant be true, just take a look at the world around us. I am in no way saying that god is incompetent or lazy, just merely stating that if he starts messing with peoples lives, then the whole reason for us being on this earth becomes obsloete.

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              #111
              Re: Masturbation

              Originally posted by Rev. Dr. Davidson View Post
              As Brother Wash pointed out, use paragraphs. I have a headache after trying to read. You completely dropped the ball when you added that "women are better drivers" comment, trying to sneak it past.

              Are you a carpet muncher, or just a lesbian?
              At least dignify an intelligent point with an intelligent answer. In response to the 'women drivers are better' criticism, all you need to do is call up an insurance company, stating that you are a man and asking for a quote, then call up the same company, saying that you are a woman and looking for a quote, i am sure that the difference between the two replies will more than prove my point

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              • Bobby-Joe
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                #112
                Re: Masturbation

                Originally posted by stairway to heaven View Post
                Theoretically, I agree with you, however, I simply cannot accept the fact that god affected the outcome of such events. Using simple reasoning, what would be the point in him doing so, according to the bible, we are put on this earth as a test of our faith in god. Therefore, if god is pulling strings behind the scenes, surely the need for this great test becomes obsolete. If god is controlling things that are said and things that happen in the world, then in theory, shouldnt everyone pass the test with flying colours? Now of course, this cant be true, just take a look at the world around us. I am in no way saying that god is incompetent or lazy, just merely stating that if he starts messing with peoples lives, then the whole reason for us being on this earth becomes obsloete.
                Friend,

                Did you not read the Brother Temperance's excellent thread about Exodus?



                In God shows Pharaoh His power and then forces Pharaoh to deny Pharaoh witnessed it. Clearly it suits God's purposes to force us humans to live lives of sin so we will be damned. Why? Because we humans are evil to begin with and God hates evil.

                Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                • stairway to heaven
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                  #113
                  Re: Masturbation

                  Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
                  Friend,

                  Did you not read the Brother Temperance's excellent thread about Exodus?



                  In God shows Pharaoh His power and then forces Pharaoh to deny Pharaoh witnessed it. Clearly it suits God's purposes to force us humans to live lives of sin so we will be damned. Why? Because we humans are evil to begin with and God hates evil.
                  So why bother with heaven? Why would he bother with christianity or even humanity? Surely if humans are fundamentally evil and god hates evil then he would not have allowed us to be representatives of his image on earth. It seems very much like Saddam hussein representing a true chrisian in a court of law!

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                  • Bobby-Joe
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                    #114
                    Re: Masturbation

                    Originally posted by stairway to heaven View Post
                    So why bother with heaven? Why would he bother with christianity or even humanity? Surely if humans are fundamentally evil and god hates evil then he would not have allowed us to be representatives of his image on earth. It seems very much like Saddam hussein representing a true chrisian in a court of law!

                    How would any of us know friend? We are talking about the thinking of God here. His mind is far beyond the scope of a mortal man. Sure He sounds like a blood crazed despot but He obviously loves us since He stoped short of drowning us all like rats.

                    Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                    • OnYourKnees
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                      #115
                      Re: Masturbation

                      Originally posted by stairway to heaven View Post
                      So why bother with heaven? Why would he bother with christianity or even humanity? Surely if humans are fundamentally evil and god hates evil then he would not have allowed us to be representatives of his image on earth. It seems very much like Saddam hussein representing a true chrisian in a court of law!
                      Surely you can't believe in a God that creates evil people for the sole purpose of damning them to eternal torture, all while claiming to love them, can you? Are you an atheist, or do you think of God as some sort of sick weirdo?

                      Have you not read the Bible yet? Atheists and God-haters don't fare so well in the afterlife.

                      I couldn't read the Wall O' Text, sorry. It hurt my eyes. Have you never heard of a paragraph break?

                      I did get the first few sentences. There is only one "version" of Christianity. It's called True Christianity. True Christians follow every part of the Bible to the letter, as it's God's Word and what He wants us to follow.

                      True Christians know better than to try to second-guess God (through "interpretation") or to decide that some parts are "no longer valid" because they're not convenient!

                      There are also False Christians (people who pick and choose parts of the Bible to follow), Satanists, Mary-Worshipping Catholics, and everybody else. All are not True Christians, and therefore Hellbound.

                      I hope this helps.

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                      • stairway to heaven
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                        #116
                        Re: Masturbation

                        Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
                        How would any of us know friend? We are talking about the thinking of God here. His mind is far beyond the scope of a mortal man. Sure He sounds like a blood crazed despot but He obviously loves us since He stoped short of drowning us all like rats.

                        But that seems to be a paradox of the highest order, many of the forums i have read so far on the site talk of god torturing people in eternal hellfire and yet if he finds evil so repugnant then why do we exist at all (i will accept that humans seem to be fundamentally evil, you only have to look at the amount of inventions in the 20th century and then compare them with the list of inventions that did not harm the environment to figure that one out) For us to exist it would seem that, somewhere along the line, god must forgive us for some, if not all of our sins, however, almost everything i read on this site is stating that god is not a forgiving god. Personally i believe that god is, in essence, forgiveness, and this only seems to prove my beliefs

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                          #117
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                          Originally posted by OnYourKnees View Post
                          Surely you can't believe in a God that creates evil people for the sole purpose of damning them to eternal torture, all while claiming to love them, can you? Are you an atheist, or do you think of God as some sort of sick weirdo?

                          Have you not read the Bible yet? Atheists and God-haters don't fare so well in the afterlife.
                          if you read bobby joe's post then you will realise that that is exactly what he is suggesting. and anyway, the fact that so much of this site seems to be devoted to backing up the fact that god does not forgive easily, that surely validates my point rather than refutes it. As i have said many times now, i believe god is a forgiving god.

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                          • Wash O'Hanley
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                            #118
                            Re: Masturbation

                            Originally posted by stairway to heaven View Post
                            (i will accept that humans seem to be fundamentally evil, you only have to look at the amount of inventions in the 20th century and then compare them with the list of inventions that did not harm the environment to figure that one out)
                            Agent Orange

                            There, I just listed one invention of the 20th century that was fundamentally perfect.
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                            • stairway to heaven
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                              #119
                              Re: Masturbation

                              Originally posted by Wash O'Hanley View Post
                              Agent Orange

                              There, I just listed one invention of the 20th century that was fundamentally perfect.
                              You are wrong. Did you not know that much of the agent orange ever dropped in the vietnam war was dropped by accident on American soldiers. Are you advocating the killing of american citizens mr. O'Hanley? Indeed, the American army was forced to set up monthly meetings for those affected by agent orange to observe the affects on their bodies.
                              Also, i am also certain you are not aware of this but, marilyn manson, the antichrist, had a father who was affected by agent orange during the vietnam war, this could of course have had many unknown effects on any offspring he may have had (namely, marilyn) Are you know advocating the rise of the antichrist mr O'Hanly?

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                              • Wash O'Hanley
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                                #120
                                Re: Masturbation

                                Originally posted by stairway to heaven View Post
                                You are wrong. Did you not know that much of the agent orange ever dropped in the vietnam war was dropped by accident on American soldiers. Are you advocating the killing of american citizens mr. O'Hanley? Indeed, the American army was forced to set up monthly meetings for those affected by agent orange to observe the affects on their bodies.
                                Also, i am also certain you are not aware of this but, marilyn manson, the antichrist, had a father who was affected by agent orange during the vietnam war, this could of course have had many unknown effects on any offspring he may have had (namely, marilyn) Are you know advocating the rise of the antichrist mr O'Hanly?
                                I defy you to give any information about the alleged harms that Agent Orange had on our Godly and brave soldiers. It's really your word against mine, and I believe that most of America agrees with me.
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