[mnorman]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

Having witnessed spring break in Florida I find it hard to believe that you could make a statement no rape victim ever asked to be raped ! These young girls are far from the protection of their fathers,running around drunk, half naked( most of the time lifting up there skimpy bikini tops and exposing bare breasts) with zero regard for the men that around them, yet you feel that they are not responsible in any way.

Well, I understand why you seem to be giving them equal responsibility the rape, and morally, such promiscuous behavior is highly questionable, many would say quite immoral. Still, they don't want to get raped. Most of them winds up having casual sex anyway, however, this is consensual. And, similar it may seem, it's a quite different thing.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

Not at all my enemy, I just don't agree. And, as mentioned above, you make a few valid points regarding measures towards not being raped. But why should there be a need to go to such measures in the first place? After all, self-constraint is a virtue and lust is a sin.

However: GHB goes pretty well with a glass of Coca-Cola as well. A woman entirely covered in winter clothes walking alone downtown at 7 P.M. is just as exposed to the (slightly overrated) danger of being raped as a lightly-clad woman dancing in a club.

My point being is that although some of your 'reasons' leading to a woman being raped is a little too black and white for me. When it comes to the act of raping, it takes a sick and demented person to make a rapist. And that, in my opinion, makes _every_ woman a potential rape victim.

And of course the man is never the VICTIM correct?

[James Dewitt]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

Well, I understand why you seem to be giving them equal responsibility the rape, and morally, such promiscuous behavior is highly questionable, many would say quite immoral. Still, they don't want to get raped. Most of them winds up having casual sex anyway, however, this is consensual. And, similar it may seem, it's a quite different thing.

You bet casual sex, in the morning when they awake from their night of drinking
and acting like a slut, they realize what they have done. They run to the police and scream I HAVE BEEN RAPED! And what happens to the man? Its off to prison.

[GOD=life]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

However: GHB goes pretty well with a glass of Coca-Cola as well.

So while you are in the process of what is effectively a mating ritual, you cannot keep your eye on your glass of Coca-Cola. There is no father, no husband and not even a friend to watch your glass of Coca-Cola... why care so little about one's own well-being?

One can also make the argument that the 2nd amendment should be repealed because it is illegal to burglarize someone's home or that you aren't obliged to lock your door because it's not your fault you get robbed.

Now that may all be true, but if there's a robber who may want to murder my whole family so he can buy drugs (as an aside, they steal from honest people to buy drugs from dishonest people??), I will be pretty happy to be able to protect my family. Heck, I can even be asleep and let my youngest boy solve the problem himself with a little help of the 2nd AMENdment. I will also be happy to have locked my door in the first place so that I will hear the breaking of glass.

So you see, while I would be 100% in the right in that scenario, I would still be a victim. But if I am properly prepared, then I can reduce my chance of being a victim to 0%. I choose to not be a victim.

You should always be prepared for the worst and pray for the best.

[GOD=life]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

They run to the police and scream I HAVE BEEN RAPED! And what happens to the man? Its off to prison.

http://www.falserape.net/falserapeafa.htm

From the article:

"Dr. Charles McDowell, formerly of the US Air Force's Office of Special Investigations, discovered that 27% of Air Force women who claimed they had been raped later admitted making false accusations of rape. The admission usually came when they were asked to take a lie detector test. With these admitted false accusations he was able to develop 35 criteria distinguishing false accusations and those known to be fake. Three independent judges then examined the remainder of the cases. Only if all three reviewers independently concluded the original rape allegations were false did they rank them as "false." The total of false allegations became 65%."

People are so eager to root for the underdog that they don't even bother to check facts. As long as men's lives are being destroyed because a woman can simply and yell "rapist!", even though they are 100% innocent, don't expect us to automatically only listen to 1 side of the story.

Please feel free to tell the thousands of men who have been freed after 20 years in prison based on DNA evidence that rape is bad. After being raped thousands of times themselves even though they were innocent, they will surely agree with you that rape is bad. The only thing they will not agree with is your view that if a woman is raped we should automatically believe her side of the story and treat the potentially innocent man like a dehumanized criminal.

But hey, if you like hypothetical scenarios, try this one:

A woman has a one-night stand with a guy and has casual sex with him. She wants money from him and he refuses. Then she tears her dresses apart, gives herself a few knife cuts and smacks her own face. Then she runs crying to the police and points the finger at the guy. Guess what happens to the innocent guy, eh?

Another scenario:

Foolish 18 year-old man has consensual sex with 17 year-old girlfriend. Secular law says "aha, statutory rape!" -- the girl says "no! it was consensual, please don't hurt my boyfriend!". Secular laws says "nope, he is a RAPIST!"... result: two lives destroyed, because of a "rape" that never took place.

[Noah Dint]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

I belive most rapes reported are another example of this society turning into one of "Not My Fault". When a hung over young lady wakes up naked on the couch at a frat party because of her BAD decisions - she has yet another decision to make.

Either she has to come to terms with the fact that she is a slut and a whore and going to hell, or it's "Not My Fault" and everyone that attended the party gang-raped her.

She makes the latter decision and the lives of many good men with potential are ruined and the men will be put behind bars.

She should be put in the stockades in the town square with a sign around her neck to tell everyone that she is indeed a whore. THAT is True Biblical Justice(tm).

-ND

[mnorman]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

Of course, Noah Dint, if something like that happens, and she wasn't drugged or anything, then nobody but her is to be blamed.

GOD=LIFE: I understood the example above where you compared locking your door to prevent burglary to hiding your body to prevent rape, and in some ways it's quite the same principle... and in others it's not. It should not, and isn't, like that you _have_ to cover every inch of your body, or else there's a good chance that some sick-o is gonna come out of the bushes and violate you. Of course one should take measures to prevent something like that from ever happening, but that should be, and is, f.x. never walking alone (especially at certain hours and certain areas), carrying means of self-protection (pepperspray, tazer, etc.). Call me a liberal if you have to, but in my belief, everybody should be able to wear whatever they want, within the limits of reason, of course, nobody likes a tramp, without fear of rape, and without being accused of bringing violation upon themselves.

And yes, if there is an actual rape, then the violator, male or female, is ALWAYS the sole person responsible. If it was consensual at the time, and one of them the following morning accuses the other of raping her or him, then it is a whole different story! I hate a liar and a cheater as much as the next guy.

[GOD=life]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

some sick-o is gonna come out of the bushes and violate you.

It is more convenient/comforting to think of rapists as strangers, but this is usually not the case: in the vast majority of cases, the women already knew their rapists -- also see: date rape statistics. So going on unsupervised dates is a big factor and one that would not apply to a True Christian daughter.

Now ultimately we all trust God to protect us, but God wants us to at least take some precautions. It should not be a big deal for fathers to take interest in what their daughters are doing. Why do they not care or have the time? Usually, because they are too busy with their careers because they care more about supporting a decadent lifestyle with a big car and a big house. I say: what about a big family and big family values?

and without being accused of bringing violation upon themselves

Different people may come to different personal conclusions about where the blame lies. This is a matter of thinking for yourself. But we can all agree that sending your daughter to an environment where 1 out of 12 men meet the legal definition of rapist is not a good idea. Even if you don't follow the Bible, you should understand that if there's a certain risk profile involved here...

If it was consensual at the time, and one of them the following morning accuses the other of raping her or him, then it is a whole different story!

The problem is: how will you ever find out? If a woman has torn dresses and a bruised face and is crying, what will your first instinctive thought be? You'll think the accused man is major scum and should be locked up ASAP. When he goes "but, but.. it was consensual!", your reaction will be "whatever, you're lying because you're a rapist".

So basically, many innocent men have gotten trapped on a circular logic situation:

1. they are accused of rape
2. (thus) they are subhuman and everything they say is a lie
3. when the man says "I didn't do it", the reaction is "sure, that's what they all say"

The whole situation is simply not as simple as it would appear at first glance with a clear victim and a clear scumbag. Again: there have been literally tens of thousands of confirmed false rape accusations.

But then you ask: "won't this happen to True Christian men then?" -- to that, my answer is simple: they do not fornicate, so it is impossible for them to get into this situation.

Do you see how following simple Biblical rules not only prevents real rapes from taking place, but also prevents rape accusations from happening? It's a win for both men and women.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

I have something that I'd like to add to this discussion. You quoted a reference that 84% of women knew their attacker. I have also read and heard about statistics which confirm this. Looking at this figure, wouldn't it seem to follow that the vast majority of women are making up allegations of rape?

Here's my thinking: Why would a rapist rape a woman he knows? She has positive identification of him! You don't hold up a liquor store and before you leave, drop your driver's license on the counter and say to the clerk "This is who I am". Anyone knows that the best way to commit a crime is to remain anonymous.

It stands to reason then that the majority of these cases are a) adultery that the woman later regrets b) alcohol-fueled consensual sex c) revenge against a boyfriend.

Knowing that, I think it's to say the majority of the time, the man is the victim and the woman is criminal. I think it's high time we make some changes in the law and prosecute the real scumbags in rape cases -- the women.

[New guy]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

Thanks for pointing me over to this article GOD=life but now I have GOT to react !
I've already tried to read the Bible but being 18 and in college specialising in Maths and Physics ; I haven't got the time nor the motivation to finish a book that demands that much reflexion; I'm only human

Anyways As I was saying: How In The World!? does
Associating with people without morals (atheists, etc)
Associating with homersexuals and abortionists
Going to college
And my personal favorite :
Using any kind of contraceptive

How in the world can doing these things augment the risk of rape ??
And what's more I've got a toughie for you: What about men who have fallen victim to rape from other men.
I'm pretty sure that he wasn't dressed in a "slutty" way. That man IS a victim right ?

[GOD=life]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

How in the world can doing these things augment the risk of rape ??

If you browse around for keywords like "date rape statistics" and "college rape statistics", you will find some very distressing information. My study is from a Christian point of view, but those independent statistics and studies speak for themselves -- I did not make those up.

What about men who have fallen victim to rape from other men.

That would require the presence of homersexual men. In a Christian scenario, they would not be allowed to mingle with normal men, so the chance of being raped by another man is 0.

So, again, by following Biblical rules to the letter, the chance of a rape -- any kind of rape -- is 0. By deviating from the Bible, the chance of a rape because a lot larger than 0.

Many people come in here saying we condone rape. We don't. On the contrary: tens of thousands of rapes could be avoided every year by following the Bible.

[James Dewitt]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

And what's more I've got a toughie for you: What about men who have fallen victim to rape from other men.
I'm pretty sure that he wasn't dressed in a "slutty" way. That man IS a victim right ?

What kinda sick pervert are you? Thinking about men raping other men. Thats just disgusting! Only a homer would do that to another man. You best get right with Jesus and stop thinking about having sex with men!

[New guy]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

What kinda sick pervert are you? Thinking about men raping other men. Thats just disgusting! Only a homer would do that to another man. You best get right with Jesus and stop thinking about having sex with men!

Wooah get off your high horses Mr. Dewitt; We live in the real world, and in the real world problems do not go away by ignoring them.
Here you need to solve problems, and the only way of solving problems is to understand that problem and talk about it to decide what needs to be done.
Because Men raping men (yes I said it again) does happen, if the image is to shocking then refrain from reading my posts even though I would have thought a man your age would understand the need for dialogue in the world of Today.


Anywho,
You say that by following Biblical rules to the letter the chance of any rape taking place men or women is 0.

But it must say somewhere in the bible that to rape is forbidden no ? So what would it change for a woman to go to college and dress in the manner she wishes ? And is it stated in the Bible that men are so weak that they cannot use common sense to resist the urge to rape a beautiful woman passing by ?

And no offense but it has happened for men to be sexually assaulted by women, maybe not raped cause it would get real complicated real fast, but assaulted none the less.
Were the man dressed in a provoking way ? Is it the man's fault or the woman's? If it's the woman's that would meen that no matter the case and circumstances men are always innocent, that's convenient no ?


(If you've read all of this you have my congratulations i got carried away!)

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

Wooah get off your high horses Mr. Dewitt; We live in the real world, and in the real world problems do not go away by ignoring them.
Here you need to solve problems, and the only way of solving problems is to understand that problem and talk about it to decide what needs to be done.
Because Men raping men (yes I said it again) does happen, if the image is to shocking then refrain from reading my posts even though I would have thought a man your age would understand the need for dialogue in the world of Today.

What does the Bible say about male on male rape; nothing. That means male on male rape doesn't happen. The Bible does call for the exaction of men commuting homosexual acts. That means right there God is telling us that any man who claims another man "raped" him is only trying to hide that he consented to gay sex.

[New guy]

Re: Study: rape only happens to sluts and never to True Christian

any man who claims another man "raped" him is only trying to hide that he consented to gay sex.

So the ones who ARE raped by other men (even though god does not want it) are to keep their mouth shut, never speak of it again which would render it impossible to press charges
Because these things DO happen, this world is not perfect

I find your views on the subjects interesting and I'm really trying to talk about it in the most respectfull maner I can (while still talking about it).