[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

He said it to a rich man. What does this have anything to do with me? Any scriptures that actually command me to give away all my possession, and possibly to keep it that way?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Castrating my son?

He said it to a rich man. What does this have anything to do with me? Any scriptures that actually command me to give away all my possession, and possibly to keep it that way?

It is not only for rich people. The Bible does not say it is only for rich people. If you draw your conclusions like that then I may as well say that everything in the Bible actually means something else than what is said.

And, are woman commanded to keep their heads covered in your church?

When someone in your church is sick, do the elders come and rub oil on him?

Do you think women are forbidden from teaching men?

Are women allowed to speak in church?

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

The scripture you presented is a conversation where Jesus is involved. You, my friend, are the one who is drawing conclusions here. If the Bible wanted to say that you must sell all your possession then it would say so. The scripture you quoted has nothing to do with this whatsoever. Did the Bible command the Christian reader to sell all his/her possession and give it to the poor? No. You are assuming it meant that. But that is not what the Bible says at all. You miss the point here. The Bible does not say it is only for rich people, it doesn't even say it is for rich people. You merely quoted a scripture where Jesus tells a rich man to sell all his possession. It is not even a command to the readers. To assume so would make no sense. It would be the same as quoting Jesus saying something else; an imaginary example would be a quote of Jesus telling a poor man to shower. That does not mean the Bible commands all the Christians to shower. You can assume it means that if you wish but if we want to actually read the Bible and do what it tells us to do then we assume no such thing. We could also assume that poor people must shower or that showering is a good thing, or even that showering is a sin and the poor man had to experience sin to become enlightened or that showering is a metaphor for something else. But we don't assume that, because it says no such thing in the Bible.

I won't even comment on the other things you say until you give me a scripture.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Castrating my son?

The scripture you presented is a conversation where Jesus is involved. You, my friend, are the one who is drawing conclusions here. If the Bible wanted to say that you must sell all your possession then it would say so. The scripture you quoted has nothing to do with this whatsoever. Did the Bible command the Christian reader to sell all his/her possession and give it to the poor? No. You are assuming it meant that. But that is not what the Bible says at all. You miss the point here. The Bible does not say it is only for rich people, it doesn't even say it is for rich people. You merely quoted a scripture where Jesus tells a rich man to sell all his possession. It is not even a command to the readers. To assume so would make no sense. It would be the same as quoting Jesus saying something else; an imaginary example would be a quote of Jesus telling a poor man to shower. That does not mean the Bible commands all the Christians to shower. You can assume it means that if you wish but if we want to actually read the Bible and do what it tells us to do then we assume no such thing. We could also assume that poor people must shower or that showering is a good thing, or even that showering is a sin and the poor man had to experience sin to become enlightened or that showering is a metaphor for something else. But we don't assume that, because it says no such thing in the Bible.

I won't even comment on the other things you say until you give me a scripture.

I was just wondering my friend. You seem quick to say the people at Landover are wrong for interpreting what Jesus meant when He said "Judge not lest ye be judged", when the Bible says in other places to judge. So I don't see why you are okay with doing that yourself in this case. But I guess you have to read the Bible in whichever way is most convenient to you.

Anyway, the Scripture for the other things. (I'm surprised you don't know it already...)


Women must keep their head covered in church:

1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

(remember, just a little after this Paul writes, "what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command." - 1 Corinthians 14:37)


Rub oil on the sick:

James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord.




Women can't teach men:


1 Timothy 2: 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.


Women aren't allow to speak in church:

1 Corinthians 14:34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.


And hey, how about these ones too?


You aren't allowed to wear gold:

1 Timothy 2:9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,





Also, you must give whatever you have to anyone who asks you. Can you give me your entire life savings?


Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Castrating my son?

Ignoring my posts and twisting my words is not going to do you any good. Either you prove that the Bible is wrong or you do not.

Who is saying the Bible is wrong, Mudpuppy? Certainly not I.

If you are told: Judge people but you are also told: Do not judge people with this or this attributes concerning this and this matter, then you judge people concerning all matters except those listed as exceptions.

Precisely. I can show you where it is okay to judge. You are the one twisting the meanings to fit whatever your preconceived notions are.

I guess that is why there are over 30,000 sects of Christianity.

The Bible is not contradictory. Do not claim it is. You are ignoring the verses I've given you, and I've successfully explained why your belief was wrong. Is it not time to admit it already?

I never said the Bible was contradictory. Now you have tried to tell me that I believe the Bible is wrong and it is contradictory.

Have you ever heard of the psychological term known as projection?

As for me judging you, I am not judging at all. I am merely judging what you pretend to be. Give me the verse where it says judging an imaginary thing is wrong.

You said earlier in the conversation that Christians should not judge those weak in the faith. Now you are applying some exception clause to it? Chapter and verse please.

Which is it, skippy? Judge or don't? Just admit that you think it's okay as long as you are the one doing the judging. You'll feel a lot better about yourself. Your doubts will be erased at last as long as you know you are right and everyone else is wrong.

Then, you will have completed your transformation into one of us, brother.

It is not against hypocritical judgement. The Bible does not say it is against hypocritical judgement. If you draw your conclusions like that then I may as well say that everything in the Bible actually means something else than what is said.

You didn't take it in context. Luke 6 is a rehash of Matthew 7. Let's read that part of Luke together.

37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
39And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
42Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.



Now look at Matthew 7.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


It's the same sermon against hypocritical judgment.

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

I was just wondering my friend. You seem quick to say the people at Landover are wrong for interpreting what Jesus meant when He said "Judge not lest ye be judged", when the Bible says in other places to judge. So I don't see why you are okay with doing that yourself in this case. But I guess you have to read the Bible in whichever way is most convenient to you.

Most convenient for me? Surely not. I already explained why you are wrong, I hate to repeat myself.

[/COLOR]1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

Only women who think it is a disgrace to have their hair cut off should cover their heads. Also, they dishonor their head, not God.

7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

Thank you for the "Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?" That pretty much summarizes it.

Rub oil on the sick:

James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

1 Timothy 2: 11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

Do not forget that Paul wrote "what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command" in The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians. Not that it would matter, of course, because what he said is merely a statement, and has nothing to do with commands.

Women aren't allow to speak in church:

1 Corinthians 14:34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

"As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches."

And hey, how about these ones too?


You aren't allowed to wear gold:

1 Timothy 2:9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

Also, you must give whatever you have to anyone who asks you. Can you give me your entire life savings?


Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Don't be silly. It is not specified what I should give. Also I have have not "turned away" from anything.

Precisely. I can show you where it is okay to judge. You are the one twisting the meanings to fit whatever your preconceived notions are.

What do you mean? I am only reading what the Bible says. Tell me where I commit the sin you speak of. I have only written what the Bible says. You are not even saying why I am wrong. You are just stating I am. At least I am telling you why you are wrong.

I guess that is why there are over 30,000 sects of Christianity.

Luckily I am one of the few who actually read what the Bible says without coming up with some crazy assumptions that when the Bible commands you not to steal it actually means you must rape your daughter and that psychology is evil.

I never said the Bible was contradictory. Now you have tried to tell me that I believe the Bible is wrong and it is contradictory.

Have you ever heard of the psychological term known as projection?

Who is contradictory now? Was psychology not devil's work? Also do not forget that I was first asked if I thought the Bible was contradictory.

You said earlier in the conversation that Christians should not judge those weak in the faith. Now you are applying some exception clause to it? Chapter and verse please.

I already have given you a scripture. This is what I mean when I say you are not even listening to me.

Which is it, skippy? Judge or don't? Just admit that you think it's okay as long as you are the one doing the judging. You'll feel a lot better about yourself. Your doubts will be erased at last as long as you know you are right and everyone else is wrong.

I know I am right. Tell me, friend, how can an imaginary thing be weak in faith when it does not exist? I am sure you already know the answer, unless you want to commit blasphemy.

Then, you will have completed your transformation into one of us, brother.

Beg your pardon?

You didn't take it in context. Luke 6 is a rehash of Matthew 7. Let's read that part of Luke together.

37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
39And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
40The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.
41And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
42Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

Why did you bold those parts? They are talking about motes and planks, silly.

Now look at Matthew 7.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


It's the same sermon against hypocritical judgment.

Do you not read the Bible? Are you blind? They are talking of motes and beams in people's eyes, not of hypocritical judgement. You merely assume they do. And it tells you that you will be judged the same way you judge others. Maybe I am wrong about the following but then if you condemn someone to hell, it is where you go yourself.

[Mundwode]

Re: Castrating my son?

Planks? I wonder how I read that. It must have been some kind of heavenly vision. I meant beam.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Castrating my son?

Most convenient for me? Surely not. I already explained why you are wrong, I hate to repeat myself.

I have read everything you wrote. You never explained in a coherent manner why the Bible says in one part, "Judge not",

yet in other parts says, "judge righteous judgment", "he that is spiritual judgeth all things", "do not ye judge them that are within?", "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"

Only women who think it is a disgrace to have their hair cut off should cover their heads. Also, they dishonor their head, not God.

Okay, so does your church command that women who do not cover their head while praying should cut off their hair?

And the Bible says if you dishonor your own head, you dishonor God. You

1 Corinthians 11:1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

Paul saying people should act like he does, since he acts like Christ did.


1 Corinthians 11:2I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the traditions just as I passed them on to you.

Paul saying he expects people to hold on to the traditions which he is passing on.


1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Since the head of woman is man, and the head of man is Christ, and the head of Christ is God, God is the head of the woman, ultimately. This passage is just four verses removed from the one you mention.

Thank you for the "Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?" That pretty much summarizes it.

That's called a rhetorical question. Paul has clearly said several times that it is not proper.

10Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.



6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.



5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved

I don't see anything wrong with that.

Does your church practice it?

Do not forget that Paul wrote "what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command" in The First Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians. Not that it would matter, of course, because what he said is merely a statement, and has nothing to do with commands.

So Paul's words are worthless, is what you are saying? We can't trust him because he is just speaking his own words, not the words of God? Scripture is not divinely inspired?

"As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches."

Every translation I can find suggests that this is saying, "Women should keep quiet, like they do in all the churches", not, "Women should keep quiet, just like the men do", because obviously SOMEONE was talking at church - the elders and the people speaking in tongues and the people interpreting the people speaking tongues

Don't be silly. It is not specified what I should give.

Actually, it is. Just before this, we read:


Matthew 5:40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.

So you should give people what they want, and then some more.

Also I have have not "turned away" from anything.

So, you WILL give me your life savings?

Your really failing at this, but can you answer these, too?

Why can't you throw mountains into the sea? Is your faith not strong enough?



Matthew 21: 21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.




And you never pray where other people can see you?




Matthew 6:5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

[Hereticslayer]

Re: Castrating my son?

You don't need a butcher to castrate your son. You can castrate that no-good devil-worshiping masturbator (no offense) yourself! All you need is an electric carving knife and some gauze bandages.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Castrating my son?

Luckily I am one of the few who actually read what the Bible says without coming up with some crazy assumptions that when the Bible commands you not to steal it actually means you must rape your daughter and that psychology is evil.

Who ever claimed that not stealing means rape. You are making no sense here, son.

Also do not forget that I was first asked if I thought the Bible was contradictory.

You certainly like to make it seem like it is. "You should not judge! Herr Derr, I judge you being wrong. God thinks it's okay to judge something that I think it's okay to judge."

I am a human being and you are sitting high in your judgment throne calling me I am a lot of horrible nasty things.

I already have given you a scripture. This is what I mean when I say you are not even listening to me.

You have given me scriptures that you believe say it is not okay to judge. I showed you scriptures that show it is okay to judge. I have also shown you how you have taken them out of context and unevenly applied them.

I know I am right.

Or course you do. You are the only person on the face of the earth who truly knows the truth. The rest of us are mere fools in your presence.

Tell me, friend, how can an imaginary thing be weak in faith when it does not exist? I am sure you already know the answer, unless you want to commit blasphemy.

You have continually judged me using some contrived rationale that it is okay because I don't exist.

You really should look into the possibility that you are demon possessed. I am flesh and bone and your words wound me, sir!

Beg your pardon?

I don't want to give it to you, but the Bible says I must.

Why did you bold those parts? They are talking about motes and planks, silly.

Now you have gone the full retard. No wonder you can't understand the Bible verses I have posted for you. You are a simpleton.

Where is your caregiver? Why has he or she allowed a mongoloid on the internets?

[b7ack0ut]

Re: Castrating my son?

My youngest son has been masturbating a lot lately and no matter how many beatings I give him, he just doesn't stop. I looked to see if the Bible had any solutions to this and Mark 9:43 popped into my head.

Mark 9:43:
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

I don't want to cut his hands off since he needs them to hold his Bible. So I was wondering if this could be applied to his genitals instead. If he doesn't have any genitals, he won't be able to masturbate, right? My neighbor did the same thing with his dog last year and he's been behaving a lot better since.

I have a good friend, a retired butcher from my village and he's willing to perform the surgery next weekend. I know my son won't be able to bring me any grandchildren but I'll just leave that up to my other sons instead. However, I'm not entirely sure whether this is the right thing to do but I think this might be the only way to save my boy from burning in hell for eternity.

What are your thoughts on this? Is anybody familiar with this solution? If so, did it work?

Yeah your write you probably know better than God.

[b7ack0ut]

Re: Castrating my son?

you're right*

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Castrating my son?

you're right*

Following the Bible, the book God wrote, is thinking you are smarter than God?

Friend, are you retarded?

[b7ack0ut]

Re: Castrating my son?

Following the Bible, the book God wrote, is thinking you are smarter than God?

Friend, are you retarded?

Actually the original Post said to do contrary of what scripture says to do. Scripture says to cut your hand off, it says nothing about castrate.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Castrating my son?

Actually the original Post said to do contrary of what scripture says to do. Scripture says to cut your hand off, it says nothing about castrate.

Jesus tells us that cutting off your tallywhacker for Him is a good thing. Should I post the verses again or can you go through a couple of pages of this thread?