[Unrepenting Sinner]

Re: Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter rape

@Pastor Ezekiel: Thank you for your welcome, I shall introduce myself properly in the right section

@Cranky Old Man: Your accusations that my statements contain no Biblical basis are false. I assure you I did not make this up simply to cause trouble, I want to have a genuine conversation about this topic, in a respectful way. I'm no Pastor or Reverend, and am not fluent in quoting Biblical verses verbatim or able to rattle off the book, chapter, and verse by heart, so I ask for a little patience on my behalf, I am still learning.

I acknowledge that your opinions that you stated at the beginning of this thread DO in fact have Scriptural basis, I'm not at all trying to deny that. HOWEVER, I must stress that the loving, merciful God that I have come to know (and on many occasions sinned against, and repented for) is not a God who loves some and wants to do away with others. People who are damned are damned by their own decision, through their actions they have turned their souls against God, and at their deaths, their soul simply CAN'T reside with God in heaven, because by their own free will they have turned themselves away from our Savior. That does NOT mean, however, that God chooses some to be saved, and enjoys watching souls being tormented in hell. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" are the direct words I believe (please excuse me if I have not written them verbatim). Jesus Christ, who IS God, sacrificed himself for the salvation of the world, so that we may rise up out of the Sin of Adam and be raised with Him to eternal salvation.

So that's where my belief in a loving God clashes with the way I interpreted your earlier statements sir. If we can reconcile our differing opinions, I would be very happy. This is after all, a public place of religious conversation no?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter rape

Okay, first of all let me set a few things straight: I'm a...
-Male
-Christian, who attends church twice a week minimum every week
-American (from the Midwest)
-Conservative (who votes Republican)

and I also am instructed, 5 days a week, in Christian Biblical Theology.

What I would like to point out, is a look at the words of CHRIST, not simply the Old Testament Jewish Law, also known as the Law of Moses.

You started out so well, too. You introduced yourself as a conservative, Christian American who goes to Church twice a week and takes the study of theology very seriously, but then it all went wrong.

I don't have too much time on my hands at the moment to write this all out, so to be spared the time of citing my biblical references, I'll leave it to you to research them on your own time. A quick copy and paste into an online search bar should do the trick.

If you can't be bothered to include scriptural references in your post, then why should we even bother responding to it? I suggest you re-read the book of Proverbs and keep an eye out for all of it's mentions of slothfulness. I'll get you started.

"The desire of the slothful killeth him; for his hands refuse to labour." Proverbs 21:25

Nevertheless, I would love it if you learned about what the Bible really says about the points you brought up, so I'll give you a response.

Jesus, the Incarnate Word of God, gave two commandments: To love God with all of your heart, soul, strength, and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. He did not come to abolish the Law of Moses, but to FULFILL it. Jesus is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and end of all things. The world was created through the Word, and so too all things must be in him to be saved.

Jesus did not only give two commandments, but instead was clarifying what the two greatest commandments of all were. Jesus actually gave a great number of commandments, and also re-stated a number of Old Testament commandments. Since that is the case, then wouldn't you agree it makes sense to follow ALL of the commandments given in the Bible (except for those that were specifically repealed, namely sin offerings and the dietary laws)?

Here are just a few examples of the commandments Jesus gave:

Jesus commanded us not to make a show of fasting:

"Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:16-18

We're also commanded to wash the feet of other believers:

"If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet." John 13:14

BUT, Jesus NEVER said ANYTHING about degrading women. His 12 apostles were all male, but his disciples, his students, as the word disciple means, numbered in the hundreds, if not thousands, and they included both men AND women. Mary and Martha, the sisters of Lazarus whom Jesus raised from the dead, before entering the city of Jerusalem, he loved dearly. Even Mary, the former harlot was a beloved disciple of his. Nowhere does Jesus degrade the women who followed him, treat them as less-than-equal to the men who followed Him, or deny them the right to come to him for repentance and salvation.

Jesus may not have had too much to say on the differences between the sexes, but Paul certainly did. I'm assuming the Greek Orthodox church accepts the Pauline Epistles as scripture?

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord." Colossians 3:18

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing." Ephesians 5:22-24

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety." 1 Timothy 2:11-15

Of course, there are other parts of the New Testament that talks about the role of women, so let me know if you'd like me to show you some more scripture.

Oh, and by the way, nowhere in the Bible does it say Mary Magdalene was a harlot.

So to say that rape, which is a crime, a defilement, and a breach of security to a person, is okay, is bologna. To treat a person, with a rational soul, created by God himself, as if they are property, to be used and abused as desired, to justify those actions is a pigheaded mentality, and is completely missing the message of Christ, who is God in the flesh.

Well, Jesus DID talk about the Ten Commandments (Mark 10:19 and Luke 18:20) and he didn't say anything had been changed. I know He was aware of this commandment:

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Exodus 20:17

Seems to imply people can be property, doesn't it?

And to justify this false message of male-superiority with Old Testament Biblical references is to miss the point entirely. CHRISTIANS ARE NOT JEWS. At the council of Jerusalem in Acts, it was determined that gentile converts did NOT have to be circumcised or follow the Jewish fast, THEREFORE saying that Christians were NOT bound by the Old Law of Moses, but Jesus had liberated us from slavery to that Law, and now we had a real chance at salvation in HIM.

So just because gentile converts don't need to be circumcised or need to follow the Jewish fast, we can safely throw away all of the Old Testament? Doesn't that sound like interpreting to you?

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20

The New Testament is hidden in the Old, but the Old is fulfilled in the New. One without the other is to miss the big picture, and to base opinions on social order solely on the words of ancient Jews in the Old Testament is to miss the basis of Christianity entirely. Christians aren't bound to the Bible alone, but to Christ, God himself.

Yes, and Jesus Himself told us that the Old Testament law IS STILL VALID.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17-18

Now, does you think heaven and earth have passed?

Christ, God Himself said, in our own human, material world, that we were to treat each other as we wanted to be treated ourselves, so this hypocrisy and brutality of making women into creatures less-than-human, or beast-like will NOT merit you salvation. This is the kind of hate-spewing bologna that is brought about by Satan, the Deceiver.

But the New Testament specifically calls Lot (the man who offered up his daughters' cooters to a wild gang of men, if you remember) a righteous man.

"And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds; ) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:" 2 Peter 2:7-9

Don't you think Peter (and, by extension, God, since all of the Bible is divinely inspired) wouldn't have called Lot righteous if they didn't approve of his actions?

The twisting of Biblical words into a message of hate is exactly what is spoken of in Revelations. A great apostasy will come across the world, and it's a shame that so many are led by a message of false-Christianity. This type of mentality is NOT what Jesus taught, and if I may be so bold, is the exact same type of pride that led to the Fall of humanity in the first place. This is exactly what Jesus came to save us from, not to endorse.

I think I've explained to you how we are NOT twisting scripture here, but please feel free to post any examples of scripture you think we are interpreting.

Please, I implore you, see reason. Stop this message of hate, or maybe (again, if I may be so bold, for nobody but God alone knows this) you yourselves will be the ones in eternal damnation.

You think God would eternally damn people for following the Bible EXACTLY as it's written? What kind of sick monster do YOU worship?

I acknowledge that your opinions that you stated at the beginning of this thread DO in fact have Scriptural basis, I'm not at all trying to deny that. HOWEVER, I must stress that the loving, merciful God that I have come to know (and on many occasions sinned against, and repented for) is not a God who loves some and wants to do away with others. People who are damned are damned by their own decision, through their actions they have turned their souls against God, and at their deaths, their soul simply CAN'T reside with God in heaven, because by their own free will they have turned themselves away from our Savior. That does NOT mean, however, that God chooses some to be saved, and enjoys watching souls being tormented in hell. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" are the direct words I believe (please excuse me if I have not written them verbatim). Jesus Christ, who IS God, sacrificed himself for the salvation of the world, so that we may rise up out of the Sin of Adam and be raised with Him to eternal salvation.

Ah, John 3:16. That's really a lovely verse, but why don't we look at it context?

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:16-18

You'll notice there's a bit more than "For God so loved the world".

However, please don't think this means God loves EVERYBODY. There are some people He just hates.

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Romans 9:13

So that's where my belief in a loving God clashes with the way I interpreted your earlier statements sir. If we can reconcile our differing opinions, I would be very happy. This is after all, a public place of religious conversation no?

We can reconcile our differences if you agree to start worshiping Jesus correctly. I'd love to see you in Heaven one day!

[ManyPaths]

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What I would like to point out, is a look at the words of CHRIST, not simply the Old Testament Jewish Law, also known as the Law of Moses.

I know right???

I mean these people are crazy, but that's what u get when u just accept everything in the Bible and not try to figure out which parts are good and which ones should just be throne out. I mean like that girl who just posted above me? If u really believe in wut the Bible says then she's right. But I only accept parts of the Bible that sound good to me so that's how I know she's wrong. It sounds like you only pick certain parts out of the bible to believe in too, so thats good!

I like to take a little bit from all the beautiful faith traditions of mankind and weave my own tapestry of spirituality. Since ur not crazy enough to believe in everything the Bible says, maybe u should try doing the same??? Have you done any research into the Vedanta? It's like. Really. Deep. If u ever want to talk about spirituality (and I don't mean religion... I'm spiritual but not religious), hit me up!

[Jack O'fagan]

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I know right???

I mean these people are crazy, but that's what u get when u just accept everything in the Bible and not try to figure out which parts are good and which ones should just be throne out. I mean like that girl who just posted above me? If u really believe in wut the Bible says then she's right. But I only accept parts of the Bible that sound good to me so that's how I know she's wrong. It sounds like you only pick certain parts out of the bible to believe in too, so thats good!

I like to take a little bit from all the beautiful faith traditions of mankind and weave my own tapestry of spirituality. Since ur not crazy enough to believe in everything the Bible says, maybe u should try doing the same??? Have you done any research into the Vedanta? It's like. Really. Deep. If u ever want to talk about spirituality (and I don't mean religion... I'm spiritual but not religious), hit me up!

Absolutely pathetic! Accept the word of God totally or reject Him totally. I may disagree with an atheist but at least a part of me can respect him for being brave enough to make a decision. By choosing all the bits you like from multiple faiths you have chosen intellectual cowardice. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Jack

[HAND OF GOD]

Re: Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter rape

I swear all of you people that agree with the old man are idiots and will burn in hell

[GodIsWinning]

Re: Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter rape

I swear all of you people that agree with the old man are idiots and will burn in hell

Yet you provide no argument to support your statement. If you do so believe that people who disagree with your views will go to Hell, is it not your duty to convince them you are right, that they might be saved?

[LoveArt]

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Yet you provide no argument to support your statement. If you do so believe that people who disagree with your views will go to Hell, is it not your duty to convince them you are right, that they might be saved?

Sir or ma'm. Just read the title of this thread, would you really give your beloved daughter get raped??
I mean, she is from your own blood, doing what mr old cranky suggest will be insulting your own bloodline.
Besides, its illegal too, from both sides. Them, for raping your daughter and you, for letting them.

[LoveArt]

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Sir or ma'm. Just read the title of this thread, would you really give your beloved daughter get raped??
I mean, she is from your own blood, doing what mr old cranky suggest will be insulting your own bloodline.
Besides, its illegal too, from both sides. Them, for raping your daughter and you, for letting them.

A bloodline that God gave you.

[Little Thoughts]

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Im sooo glad i dont have a father!

[zafada]

Re: Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter rape

What is WRONG with you?
Girls can't help the fact that they were born female! We are JUST as good as men, and can do everything they can. And there is PROOF.

Yeah, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
But yours sucks.

Please, I'm begging you...PLEASE leave this website. You are NOT useless and you are not a piece of trash like this militant rapist thinks above. This whole post made me horribly sad and angry...I'd threaten to off all of these rapists here but I think that's illegal. I already reported this site.

[Felicity]

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Im sooo glad i dont have a father!

You do have a Father though!

[Felicity]

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So here, I admit I'm harassing you because I'm livid that you allow yourself to be raped by your father. I can see where the inbreeding steps in.

My father would never do that! I am a virgin!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Im sooo glad i dont have a father!

Not knowing who your father is doesn't mean you don't have one. I know you knuckle-dragging abos will fornicate with anything you can catch.

[BrianTheAgnosticQueerTeenager]

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Your daughter no longer a virgin? Burn her!
If your daughter behaves like a whore, the Bible is clear on what you have to do. An example of this would be your daughter allowing guests to rape her. You will have to burn your daughter after which she will go to Hell where she will burn for all eternity for being a whore! Genesis 38:24 "And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt."

Greetings, my name is Bryn, and I am currently unreligious; but have been considering it as of late. Through my methods, I have recently stumbled upon your rather audacious forum. One of the first threads I reviewed was this one, and although I have to remind myself to respect your fallacious menagerie of opinions; I do not like to hold you true, when you have morbidly conflicting inconsistencies in your preachings. Quoted above, in my own synopsis, is a rather sexist, sadistic and perverse rant on how women need be literally burnt, if they are to be discovered a harlot, or if they are discovered to have their hymen in a state of imperfect. The preamble also discusses selling women away for rape or slavery, if they are to be found "useless".

Although the entire preamble of this thread is built upon ambiguity and malevolence; I really only need one example to show how this man attempts to indoctrinate us into a criminal and inhumane state, a state with the loss of kindness and reciprocity.

The example I am to use today, is his quotation of Genesis 38:24. Rather frequently on this site, I see people with a high status attempting to diminish other neophytes through a common query: "Have you EVEN tried to read the bible?" or "Have you EVER tried to read the bible?". Now I am beginning to wonder the same thing upon them. Surely, it is obvious that some of these men have indeed gone to their "sacred" [http://www.biblegateway.com] and attempted to read quotes at one time or another. But do they honestly read the bible in full? It seems to me that they just enter a key word ("burnt, burn, burned, burning" are likely the case) and then read whatever quote is given to them, without reading the context or the postlude. Let me explain.

When I read that quote, I found it rather hard to believe that something supposedly chalk-full and primed with love and kindness such as the bible incite something so utterly disenchant. When I was still a religious man, I was always taught that the body was a sacred and private thing, and that disrespecting it, however sacrilegious, was acceptable because Jesus had died to allow us to realize and repent our sins. I had learned that God and Christ were a forgiving and humbling duo. In no way would they ever want us to literally burn someone we have suspect to believe attempted to procreate.

So to retain my intellect and common sense, I myself ventured to read the bible. Using my own King James Version, as well as the BibleGateway version, I have come upon a benevolent discovery. Neither Judas, nor Jesus nor God have ever burnt a female for harlotry. Perhaps it implies so in the quote he gave us, but upon review of Genesis 38:1-38:30, one comes upon a different conclusion.

"25 When she was brought forth, she sent to her father in law, saying, By the man, whose these are, am I with child: and she said, Discern, I pray thee, whose are these, the signet, and bracelets, and staff.

26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.

27 And it came to pass in the time of her travail, that, behold, twins were in her womb"

She was never burnt. For sake of space and time, I will not post the entire section of Genesis 38, but I can give you a brief synopsis. Genesis 38 describes in vagueness the romantic ongoings of Judas. It describes how he met his first and second wife who bore him children, and eventually died. As we begin to approach the end of the section; we encounter a parable regarding Judas' turmoils after the death of his second wife. In his grief, Judas searches out for sexual and romantic pleasure, and finds a woman by the name of Shelah, who also happens to be his daughter-in-law, although this is unbeknownst to him. In the bible, it is explained that she was a veiled figure, and because of this, Judas believed her to be of harlotry. Judah attempts to conceive with her, and in turn pays her for her body. She leaves shortly after their affair. Some time in the future, Judas searches out Shelah, for reasons unexplained. When she cannot be found, as she was not actually a harlot but rather a traveling member of his own family, Judas begins to grow angry. Unfortunately another woman, by the name of Tamar was pregnant and had similar features to Shelah, and was living with Judas at the time. In his rage, Judas asks for her to be burnt. This however, does not happen after Tamar and her husband prove her righteousness. She provides three strong males, and Judas repents the events with Shelah.

My comrades, the bible never asks for anyone to be literally burned. Judas called for it in his rage, and didn't actually follow through. As the bible is so old itself, it is also a possibility that the term of "Burnt" is metaphorical, and would imply that she is to be punished, or branded via words and remembrances.

This site has left me anything but speechless, as I encounter your ignorant, bumbling, hypocritical kind. You discount the muslim religion as being full of harlots, barbarians and other malevolent kind; but here you incite rape, murder and slavery. You claim that others who argue your point have never read the bible, yet one who does not even contrast himself as a religious individual finds inconsistencies in your own "reading".

You may pray to your God, and I will pray to mine. I shall pray to Christ in all his name as well as the God who tells me to love and feel kindness, that one day, hopefully soon; you will find something you are clearly lacking. Common sense. Just because the First Amendment says you can say what you want to say, It does not say you need to say it.

For further reading:
Genesis

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Protect your family the Christian way! Get your daughter rape

My comrades

Please go back to Russia and leave America alone!