[Martha Carter]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

I will rest in the comfort of believing in what I believe because what I believe is true!
That God died for sinners, including me and you.
None of us deserve the righteousness or the grace of God. (Romans 6:23) but God loved us so much he sent his one and only son Jesus, to die for ALL of our sins....past, present, and future. You folks have some extremely twisted ideas, but it's a free country. You can say whatever you'd like and nobody is going to keep you from doing so.

You're belittling scripture and using it completely out of context. But that's your decision.

Points of infraction? Oh, I'm terrified.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

yes you idiot , there were born that way .... and if you believe that god created adam and eve , then down syndrome is gods fault as we all came from adam and eve .......

Okay, so you don't believe in God. You hate Him and blame Him for making retards.

you lot are no different from the nazis , you want people to be like you and any one or thing that is different , should be dead or burn in hell .......

Here you tell us we are going to hell.

Which is it?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Why do I have to keep linking to my earlier responses even in this very thread ? ?

You folks sure are impressive with all your data and facts. Can I ask you all a question? Since you believe everything that the Bible says is true... allow me to refer you to the Book of Matthew 25:34-46. It talks about serving the least of these. Those who can't do for themselves does NOT mean they are lazy!
For your information (and you called yourself Christians, was that what you said? Baptists at that?!) Down's Syndrome is a chromosomal disorder in which there are 3 copies of the 21st chromosome instead of 2. God doesn't make mistakes. Those with Downs or Autism are not retarded. You can label them, but they have talents and great abilities and are wonderful children that God made. For those of you saying they don't have a soul, I believe you are as wrong as they come! Have you ever taken the chance to talk to someone with Down's Syndrome?

Apparently not since you're avoiding them like the plague. It's not a disease and you're not going to catch it from talking to them. Serving the least of these is what God has asked us ALL to do! And that's straight from the King James Bible. I am currently in college pursuing my degree to teach Special Education to these students society has already seemed to write off and you all as "Christians" (and I will use that label lightly seeing what I see here) reject them. Ha I have pity on YOUR souls.

We'll all be judged one day by the God who created all of us. There's no reason not to love and accept others. Really there isn't. Try and argue with that. I guarantee you there are millions of people out there just like me who stand up for the underdogs, the mistreated, the teased, and the bullied because of groups just like this one who think it's okay to belittle them. I think all of the students I work with who have mental or physical disabilities are smarter than this collective forum. Guaranteed. Thank you for your time.

concerning trisomy disorders HERE MARCH 2012
concerning brain abnormalities HERE AUGUST 2012

I work from time to time in special needs education providing music programmes and mathematical assessment models for participants without language. Many demoniacs have no language at all. It is open to them to accept Christ at any time but will they do it? No. Perhaps they have not been elected to Salvation.

Jesus teaches us:

MATTHEW 24
25 Behold, I haue told you before.
26 Wherefore, if they shall say vnto you, Behold, he is in the desert, goe not foorth: Behold, he is in the secret chambers, beleeue it not.
27 For as the lightening commeth out of the East, and shineth euen vnto the West: so shall also the coming of the Sonne of man be.
28 For wheresoeuer the carkeise is, there will the Eagles bee gathered together.
29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those dayes, shall the Sunne be darkned, and the Moone shall not giue her light, and the starres shall fall from heauen, and the powers of the heauens shall be shaken.
30 And then shall appeare the signe of the Sonne of man in heauen: and then shall all the Tribes of the earth mourne, and they shall see the Sonne of man coming in the clouds of heauen, with power and great glory.
31 And hee shall send his Angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his Elect from the foure windes, from one end of heauen to the other.
©1611 . . . LOOK UP . . CONTEXT

When King Saul became possessed of an evil spirit God knew what was happening. He arranged for David to provide music therapy.

I SAMUEL 16:23;18:10-11
23 And it came to passe, when the euill spirit from God was vpon Saul, that Dauid tooke an harpe, and played with his hand: So Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the euill spirit departed from him.
©1611 . . . LOOK UP

But this was only temporary respite.

18:10 ¶ And it came to passe on the morrow, that the euill spirit from God came vpon Saul, and he prophecied in the midst of the house: and Dauid played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a iauelin in Sauls hand.
11 And Saul cast the iauelin; for hee said, I will smite Dauid euen to the wall with it: and Dauid auoided out of his presence twice.
©1611 . . . CONTEXT

Whenever we encounter these demon possessed individuals it is important to meet the parents and explain to them the real reason for their child's affliction. The punishment they receive could be due to some abomination of their own, yes, but very likely it's resulting from their grandparents or their great-grandparents or in many cases their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents or even more remote ancestors (in the case of Hamitic demoniacs [i.e. all of them]).

Without The Bible we would not have this information. But we do have The Bible because God wants us to understand. That's how much He loves us (and hates them). When you reject His Perfect Love you do a great disservice to the learner group you are training to teach.

They cannot learn.

They are blasted for good reason by All Knowing God.

He tells us what He has done and you ignore Him at your peril.

That's the God, the Only True God, I so adore.

Praise Him!

[simon-keen]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Please post fewer ridiculous things. Of course Down's syndrome is a lifestyle choice. Do you really think they are born that way?

They're just lazy and refuse to apply themselves.

yes you idiot , there were born that way .... and if you believe that god created adam and eve , then down syndrome is gods fault as we all came from adam and eve .......

you lot are no different from the nazis , you want people to be like you and any one or thing that is different , should be dead or burn in hell .......

[simon-keen]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

They are woman - they want to do is talk, fornicate and bloat their bodies. Haven't you read The Bible?

does that go for Mary Magdalene , mother teresa , eve , florence nightingale ,

there are just over 188 women named in the king james's bible , i take it you will be including them aswell ...........

[Levi Jones]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

i take it you are joking . Down syndrome by choice WHAT THE piffle IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE .............

Please post fewer ridiculous things. Of course Down's syndrome is a lifestyle choice. Do you really think they are born that way?

They're just lazy and refuse to apply themselves.

[simon-keen]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Life is really easy. Obey God and you go to Heaven. Unfortunately liberal atheist Nazis are finding ways to make everything needlessly complicated. If you repeat something nonsensical over and over again, simple minded people start believing it. A well known example is homosexuals. More and more people believe that being gay is not a choice but something people are born with. Completely ridiculous of course.

Fortunately there are always decent Christian people who are working on fixing these common misconceptions. Take Michele Bachmann's husband Marcus Bachmann for example. He has created the Christian counseling clinic where homosexuals can get cured from their disease by praying the gay away. Of course the liberal media is twisting this into claims that Marcus Bachmann himself is gay. This is utterly ridiculous as it would be impossible to become gay while you are married to a nice Christian lady like Michele Bachmann. There has been some debate on the $137,000 tax money Michele Bachmann allocated to her husbands business, but clearly we are talking about a Godly mission here, well worth some hard earned American tax dollars.

But we have a bigger problem here. Most people recognize that being gay is just a filthy choice, comparable with choosing to become a hippie vegan or a vegetarian child rapist. Unfortunately only few people recognize that down syndrome is also a lifestyle choice!

Down syndrome has been invented by people who are too lazy to study, too lazy to work and even too lazy to wipe their own butts. By acting like complete idiots they avoid scrutiny and get passed all checks in our system to receive free care and free money without ever having to do anything to actually deserve all that. Parents who are too lazy to properly raise their children teach their children to behave like drooling idiots so they no longer have to fulfill their parental duties.

No doubt some liberal atheists will start screaming that being gay isn't a lifestyle choice, down syndrome isn't a lifestyle choice and being vegan isn't a lifestyle choice. Fortunately it is easy to prove that down syndrome is indeed nothing but a lifestyle choice! Most people choosing down syndrome are too lazy to have children. But those who do have children, always have children who are also choosing this lifestyle. Not different from hippie parents having hippie children, where being a hippie is also clearly a lifestyle choice. At least until some idiot liberal God mocker starts claiming that all hippies have a genetic disease forcing them to smoke pot.

Unfortunately the misconception that down syndrome is not a lifestyle will be hard to fight. Parents having their children trained to behave like drooling idiots will refuse to cooperate because they are simply to lazy to properly raise their children. The solution here is to punish both the parents and the children. All of them should be put to work in labor camps. Also every medical and government program aimed at wasting money on these people should be terminated immediately.

Michele Bachmann has already promised that she will solve all our economic problems in at most a week once she becomes president. This will no doubt be one of her ways to achieve that.

i take it you are joking . Down syndrome by choice WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE .............

[Felicity]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

One way to answer this conundrum is that they don't really have souls (like gingers), and thus will not be doomed to the Lake of Fire for eternity for something that wasn't their fault in the first place.

They could have prayed more while they where in their mothers belly. #Matthew 21:22

[Cursed]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

But... you can't prove it. Can you?

This is a bit of a problem for anyone who would believe in a benevolent God. Why would someone be created who lacks the ability (due to physical or mental shortcomings of any variety) to appreciate Christ's sacrifice and beg forgiveness for their sins, which is necessary for acceptance into the kingdom of Heaven?

One way to answer this conundrum is that they don't really have souls (like gingers), and thus will not be doomed to the Lake of Fire for eternity for something that wasn't their fault in the first place.

The other is to accept what the Bible tells us: that some are predestined for salvation from "before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4), and some aren't. It's just the way that cookie crumbled.

The point both of these views have in common is that there cannot be a benevolent, omnipotent God in a universe that contains birth, genetic, or developmental defects of any sort. The Bible, of course, at no point claims that God loves everyone, and even goes out of it's way to reinforce that God will punish some "just because".

Blah blah blah. Another atheist spouting nonsense.

Who will you believe? A loser atheist, or God's own Holy Bible?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

...For those of you saying they don't have a soul, I believe you are as wrong as they come!...

But... you can't prove it. Can you?

This is a bit of a problem for anyone who would believe in a benevolent God. Why would someone be created who lacks the ability (due to physical or mental shortcomings of any variety) to appreciate Christ's sacrifice and beg forgiveness for their sins, which is necessary for acceptance into the kingdom of Heaven?

One way to answer this conundrum is that they don't really have souls (like gingers), and thus will not be doomed to the Lake of Fire for eternity for something that wasn't their fault in the first place.

The other is to accept what the Bible tells us: that some are predestined for salvation from "before the foundation of the world" (Ephesians 1:4), and some aren't. It's just the way that cookie crumbled.

The point both of these views have in common is that there cannot be a benevolent, omnipotent God in a universe that contains birth, genetic, or developmental defects of any sort. The Bible, of course, at no point claims that God loves everyone, and even goes out of it's way to reinforce that God will punish some "just because".

[Cursed]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Tell me, where is your church located? Under a rock?

Not under a rock, madam, but founded on the bedrock of Christian Theology, as based on the 1611 King James Bible!

As you should know if you were a True Christian, the Holy Bible is the source of all knowledge. We depend on it.

Why don't you?

[Martha Carter]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Tell me, where is your church located? Under a rock?

[Cursed]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

You folks sure are impressive with all your data and facts. Can I ask you all a question? Since you believe everything that the Bible says is true... allow me to refer you to the Book of Matthew 25:34-46. It talks about serving the least of these. Those who can't do for themselves does NOT mean they are lazy!

It doesn't say to serve the retarded, that's just crazy.

For your information (and you called yourself Christians, was that what you said? Baptists at that?!) Down's Syndrome is a chromosomal disorder in which there are 3 copies of the 21st chromosome instead of 2. God doesn't make mistakes. Those with Downs or Autism are not retarded. You can label them, but they have talents and great abilities and are wonderful children that God made. For those of you saying they don't have a soul, I believe you are as wrong as they come! Have you ever taken the chance to talk to someone with Down's Syndrome?

Yes, I have, and I can say without reservation they are retarded and have no soul.

Apparently not since you're avoiding them like the plague. It's not a disease and you're not going to catch it from talking to them. Serving the least of these is what God has asked us ALL to do!

Again, there was no reference to serving the retarded. They are retarded for a reason, and you should not serve them, because they would command impossible things like "finding the pot of gold at the end of a rainbow" and such. We don't deal in superstition, thank you.

And that's straight from the King James Bible. I am currently in college pursuing my degree to teach Special Education to these students society has already seemed to write off and you all as "Christians" (and I will use that label lightly seeing what I see here) reject them. Ha I have pity on YOUR souls.

Your pity is what psychologists call "projection." You should read your Bible and learn about all Christ has to offer!

We'll all be judged one day by the God who created all of us. There's no reason not to love and accept others. Really there isn't. Try and argue with that.

I don't have to try. The Bible does it for me, Praise God!


15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. ~Mathew 18:15-17

I guarantee you there are millions of people out there just like me who stand up for the underdogs, the mistreated, the teased, and the bullied because of groups just like this one who think it's okay to belittle them. I think all of the students I work with who have mental or physical disabilities are smarter than this collective forum. Guaranteed. Thank you for your time.

Source, please? I mean, besides your own twisted subjective experience.

[Martha Carter]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

You folks sure are impressive with all your data and facts. Can I ask you all a question? Since you believe everything that the Bible says is true... allow me to refer you to the Book of Matthew 25:34-46. It talks about serving the least of these. Those who can't do for themselves does NOT mean they are lazy!
For your information (and you called yourself Christians, was that what you said? Baptists at that?!) Down's Syndrome is a chromosomal disorder in which there are 3 copies of the 21st chromosome instead of 2. God doesn't make mistakes. Those with Downs or Autism are not retarded. You can label them, but they have talents and great abilities and are wonderful children that God made. For those of you saying they don't have a soul, I believe you are as wrong as they come! Have you ever taken the chance to talk to someone with Down's Syndrome?

Apparently not since you're avoiding them like the plague. It's not a disease and you're not going to catch it from talking to them. Serving the least of these is what God has asked us ALL to do! And that's straight from the King James Bible. I am currently in college pursuing my degree to teach Special Education to these students society has already seemed to write off and you all as "Christians" (and I will use that label lightly seeing what I see here) reject them. Ha I have pity on YOUR souls.

We'll all be judged one day by the God who created all of us. There's no reason not to love and accept others. Really there isn't. Try and argue with that. I guarantee you there are millions of people out there just like me who stand up for the underdogs, the mistreated, the teased, and the bullied because of groups just like this one who think it's okay to belittle them. I think all of the students I work with who have mental or physical disabilities are smarter than this collective forum. Guaranteed. Thank you for your time.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

ATTENTION HEATHENS

Originally Posted by Killjoy (post #5)
You're ridiculous.. You should seek metal help..

Originally Posted by unsavedatheist (post #16)
Some people are born with diseases.. Genetic mutation..

Never once did Jesus mention "mental disorders" or any of the various "syndromes" (such as Tourette's syndrome[sic]). We know that dialogue between the Epicureans and Stoics arrived at a theory of the unconscious mind, as modern headshrinkers would term it, and Greek learning is referred to occasionally in the New Testament so we can be certain that Jesus was aware of those ideas. Many of the demon possessed individuals whom Jesus encountered have their "symptoms" well described and sometimes a demoniac will be described as having some illness AS WELL AS being demon possessed. Luke in particular would know the difference between the two and I've posted references to his witness before (if heathens could be bothered to read things before sounding off they'd already know this). Psychiatrists can even tell us which "mental illness" or what "brain lesions" in their opinion caused the aberrant behaviours!

Jesus could have said "oh, this person is not demon possessed but is suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness" - there would be terminology available to Him if he'd wished to say that - but He NEVER said that.

When people were mistaken in their ideas Jesus ALWAYS corrected them (the Scribes and the Pharisees are a good example of that).
Where demoniacs are concerned He NEVER corrected anyone and in fact reiterated the TRUE DIAGNOSIS: demons.

Psychiatrists do not believe in demons. Satan is their master.
Jesus did not believe in syndromes and disorders. Jesus is God.

Spot the difference?