[ArabMuslim]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

Scripture?
Academic publications?

I post both. You post neither.

My scource is common sense, and TBH I cant be bothered searching for sources, common sense is enough source, its something god put into us so we can find reasonings, right?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

My scource is common sense, and TBH I cant be bothered searching for sources, common sense is enough source, its something god put into us so we can find reasonings, right?

I don't search for sources. I already know what they are. You call yourself a "muslim" — if your primum mobile is not the koran why are you a muslim.

Apostacy is punishable by infinite suffering:

koran 9
64 The hypocrites fear lest a chapter should be sent down to them telling them plainly of what is in their hearts. Say: Go on mocking, surely Allah will bring forth what you fear.
65 And if you should question them, they would certainly say: We were only idly discoursing and sporting. Say: Was it at Allah and His communications and His Messenger that you mocked?
66 Do not make excuses; you have denied indeed after you had believed; if We pardon a party of you, We will chastise [another] party because they are guilty.
67 The hypocritical men and the hypocritical women are all alike; they enjoin evil and forbid good and withhold their hands; they have forsaken Allah, so He has forsaken them; surely the hypocrites are the transgressors.
68 Allah has promised the hypocritical men and the hypocritical women and the unbelievers the fire of hell to abide therein; it is enough for them; and Allah has cursed them and they shall have lasting punishment.
[Shakir] courtesy Lisa H

Recognise yourself non-muslim Arab?

Homosexuality is punishable by death:

LEVITICUS 20
12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they haue wrought confusion; their blood shall be vpon them.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as hee lyeth with a woman, both of them haue committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shalbe vpon them.
14 And if a man take a wife, and her mother, it is wickednesse: They shalbe burnt with fire, both he and they, that there be no wickednesse among you.
15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
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Which part of what you call "God's word" do you not understand?

all . of . it

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

My scource is common sense, and TBH I cant be bothered searching for sources, common sense is enough source, its something god put into us so we can find reasonings, right?

Common? Yes.

Sense? Nope.

Look, you are going to have to do better than "Because I think so!" if you want to be persuasive. As it stands, you've done nothing thus far other than reveal that you are wishy-washy in your beliefs and intellectually less-than-rigorous.

(Philippians 1:9-11) And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[whocares]

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First, this isn't proof, this is some text you stole from the internet. You have no idea as to who wrote the text, what reasons he had for writing the text, what ideological agenda he's trying to push with the text and how truthful he has been in any previous texts he wrote. Simply put: your "proof" is worthless.

SNIP

You mean like the Bible?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Down syndrome is a lifestyle choice!

You mean like the Bible?

No not at all like the Bible.

We know who created everything including the Bible: God.
We know what ideological agenda He's trying to "push": God's, the only one that matters.
We know how truthful he has been: 100%.

[nathanwwells]

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@Crankyoldman. Do you honestly in your mind believe downsyndrome is a "lifestyle choice"? It's not a choice like homosexualit or something that someone with an average to better than average IQ can decide for themselves. Downsyndrome is a medical condition affecting the brain and the central nervous system that impairs your ability to comprehend things that normal people would otherwise understand. It shocks and amazes me that you and the other morons of this forum would go to such lengths to say something like that about someone who is disabled and continue to believe it. Parents don't train their children to become drooling idiots as you put it. If you recall the bible says love everyone as you love yourself and judge not lest ye be judged. I'm sure you have some retort to it but that is the simple fact, you absolutely can not claim to be a "true christian" as your stating until you serve God whole heartedly and you sir clearly have many misconceptions of what is a choice and what is a mental disability. My son is diagnosed with autism. We work with him on a daily basis, take him to treatment centers, tutors, and special needs programs. He can not grasp what normal children grasp and therefor has trouble speaking to me as well but I suppose that after all that it's a lifestyle choice too huh. You honestly make me sick but I won't wish for ill will on you, God has a way of fixing ignorance and people that believe their beliefs are mightier than what is in the bible. I'll pray for your ignorance that it gets cured. I can't believe I came here looking for spiritual guidance because I can clearly see now that this is not the place to talk to christians. All you and this forum are doing is driving people away from God, not pulling them towards him. Think on that the next time you post blasphemous, slanderous garbage. <=== this by the way. I believe there was a commandment stating "thou shalt not kill" I wonder how God looks at smiley icons like this that are purposely implemented into your forum.

[Nobar King]

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<=== this by the way. I believe there was a commandment stating "thou shalt not kill" I wonder how God looks at smiley icons like this that are purposely implemented into your forum.

You obviously don't know anything about the ten commandments or the holy war against islamofascist terrorism. I pray every day for our brave soldiers in Iraq to kill as many of them as possible. That's what Jesus wants.

Did you happen to forget about 9/11?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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If you recall the bible says love everyone as you love yourself

If you recall, it says something different:

Matt. 22:39: And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Who is your neighbor, according to Scripture? Read and learn.

and judge not lest ye be judged.

Try reading the whole thing in context. Again, read and learn.

<=== this by the way. I believe there was a commandment stating "thou shalt not kill" I wonder how God looks at smiley icons like this that are purposely implemented into your forum.

I believe there was a commandment stating:

Numbers 31:17-18: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

If you ever use your Bible for any purpose other than stabilizing a wobbly table, you'll learn about God's holy genocides, as described in His Word. Thus, you cannot understand God's will by cherry-picking His Word; instead, in order to understand the Bible, you have to understand the whole Bible.

[Brother Helge]

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My son is diagnosed with autism. We work with him on a daily basis, take him to treatment centers, tutors, and special needs programs. He can not grasp what normal children grasp and therefor has trouble speaking to me as well but I suppose that after all that it's a lifestyle choice too huh.

What kind of father are you?
That is something you can simply cure with the a little tough love.
Not been generous enough with the rod, have you?

Proverbs 13:24
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Proverbs 23:13-14
Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Downsyndrome is a medical condition affecting the brain and the central nervous system that impairs your ability to comprehend things that normal people would otherwise understand.

No it isn't. Down "syndrome" is demonic possession affecting the brain and the central nervous system that impairs the demoniac's ability to comprehend things that normal people would otherwise understand. The Bible is quite clear. Please read the whole thread.

My son is diagnosed with autism. We work with him on a daily basis, take him to treatment centers, tutors, and special needs programs. He can not grasp what normal children grasp and therefor has trouble speaking to me..

That is not what The Bible says.

Testimony from a doctor:
Luke 11:14 And he was casting out a deuil, and it was dumbe. And it came to passe, when the deuill was gone out, the dumbe spake: and the people wondred.
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Evidence:
Matthew 9:32 As they went out, beholde, they brought to him a dumbe man possessed with a deuill.
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More evidence:
Matthew 12:22 Then was brought vnto him one possessed with a deuill, blinde, and dumbe: and hee healed him, insomuch that the blinde and dumbe both spake and saw.
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Proof:
I John 3:8 He that committeth sinne, is of the deuill, for the deuill sinneth from the beginning: for this purpose the Sonne of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the deuill.
©1611

The Bible is The Word Of God, not the ravings of some love guru. Yes, God does love SOME PEOPLE but it is CONDITIONAL LOVE. Otherwise He explains whom we are to hate and encourages us to follow His example:

PSALM 139
17 Howe precious also are thy thoughts vnto me, O God: how great is the summe of them?
18 If I should count them, they are moe in number then the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.
19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.
20 For they speake against thee wickedly: and thine enemies take thy name in vaine.
21 Doe not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieued with those that rise vp against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
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Hallelujah!

[nathanwwells]

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@Nobar King - Thou shalt not kill. Very clean, cut, dry commandment. No exceptions, it is you who do not understand the simplicity of it. 9/11 or not it does not give you the right to take someone's life. You as a christian should lead by example and turn the other cheek, Jesus taught his disciples that.
@Pastor Isaac Peters - Your neighbor is anyone and thats exactly who the bible refers to hence the reason why you turn the other cheek. Judge not lest ye be judged is also a very simple concept. Only God himself can judge a human as there is no other who can judge a man/woman's soul or it's worth for heaven. The scripture does say that one should obey the law of man unless it conflicts with the law of God so being in court is quite different. I don't cherry pick anything, you assume much about me without knowing me.
@Brother Helge - I discipline my children well enough without your help or advice. I believe in corporal punishment as much as anyone else but I also try other methods first. Sounds a lot like your inquiring about abuse and that is not my flavor of parenting. I honestly feel sorry for any child raised under a parent that would beat their children before trying other methods.
@MitzaLizalor - Any and every child and adult i've ever seen with special needs has been as sweet as can be. They were never devil worshipers, crazy, violent, or otherwise. Your silly theories of demonic possession are only that, silly theories. I firmly believe God can and will heal the mentally ill when he sees fit but not all are meant to be cured of it. It doesn't mean anyone is possessed, it means he has a plan for each and every person and each plan is different.
@Whomever Moderates This Forum - Your assumption that I care that I received an infraction is only that, an assumption. It sounds a lot to me like any challenge to the falsified information your church populas has to offer is dismissed as slanderous talk. Perhaps you should do some soul searching and look more closely at what you do and say. I'll save you the trouble of banning me, placing your "eternal damnation" stamp or whatever it is i'm sure your people have in mind, or responding with more ignorance. I will be however praying for your souls and even more so the souls of your children who have to suffer your intolerance of the mentally ill.

[Didymus Much]

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[Pastor Ezekiel]

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@Nobar King - Thou shalt not kill. Very clean, cut, dry commandment. No exceptions, it is you who do not understand the simplicity of it. 9/11 or not it does not give you the right to take someone's life. You as a christian should lead by example and turn the other cheek, Jesus taught his disciples that.
@Pastor Isaac Peters - Your neighbor is anyone and thats exactly who the bible refers to hence the reason why you turn the other cheek. Judge not lest ye be judged is also a very simple concept. Only God himself can judge a human as there is no other who can judge a man/woman's soul or it's worth for heaven. The scripture does say that one should obey the law of man unless it conflicts with the law of God so being in court is quite different. I don't cherry pick anything, you assume much about me without knowing me.
@Brother Helge - I discipline my children well enough without your help or advice. I believe in corporal punishment as much as anyone else but I also try other methods first. Sounds a lot like your inquiring about abuse and that is not my flavor of parenting. I honestly feel sorry for any child raised under a parent that would beat their children before trying other methods.
@MitzaLizalor - Any and every child and adult i've ever seen with special needs has been as sweet as can be. They were never devil worshipers, crazy, violent, or otherwise. Your silly theories of demonic possession are only that, silly theories. I firmly believe God can and will heal the mentally ill when he sees fit but not all are meant to be cured of it. It doesn't mean anyone is possessed, it means he has a plan for each and every person and each plan is different.
@Whomever Moderates This Forum - Your assumption that I care that I received an infraction is only that, an assumption. It sounds a lot to me like any challenge to the falsified information your church populas has to offer is dismissed as slanderous talk. Perhaps you should do some soul searching and look more closely at what you do and say. I'll save you the trouble of banning me, placing your "eternal damnation" stamp or whatever it is i'm sure your people have in mind, or responding with more ignorance. I will be however praying for your souls and even more so the souls of your children who have to suffer your intolerance of the mentally ill.

tl;dr

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Any and every child and adult i've ever seen with special needs has been as sweet as can be. They were never devil worshipers, crazy, violent, or otherwise. Your silly theories of demonic possession are only that, silly theories

When Jesus encountered the people you describe He did not say "Oh, look - these people are not demon possessed, they have an illness or condition that needs to be cured" did he? I am not expressing a "theory" here, I am quoting scripture. Now I understand that you disagree with Jesus but that doesn't change what He said. When people held erroneous views Jesus always corrected them. Additionally He often healed people and He continues to do so today, but the demoniacs you are talking about did not require healing. They required exorcism. That is how we know that Jesus was telling the truth.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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@Pastor Isaac Peters - Your neighbor is anyone and thats exactly who the bible refers to hence the reason why you turn the other cheek. Judge not lest ye be judged is also a very simple concept. Only God himself can judge a human as there is no other who can judge a man/woman's soul or it's worth for heaven. The scripture does say that one should obey the law of man unless it conflicts with the law of God so being in court is quite different. I don't cherry pick anything, you assume much about me without knowing me.

I know what is posted here. According to what is posted here, we use direct quotes from Scripture in context, whereas you speculate as to what God wants.