Why am I unsaved trash?

[Grudon]

I've been a christian all my life since i was young and i have no doubt of the teachings from christ and i choose personally to believe in him, however i am beginning to become worried in the world i i live in and all that is around and happenning.
I do not hate people of other religeons, nationality or beliefs but i see a world of which thier beliefs though i feel misled perhaps are being twisted and minipulated unto ulitimately what is evil. But now as i look at this on the news everyday it seems i begin to worry that can we to walk through this world with impunity? and even as i look bellow the tittle "where the worthwhile worship, the unsaved unwelcome" surely we should offer debate and help those who arn't quite seeing the world as we do?

I don't know what to do, please help? i'm really worried about this

[Grudon]

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oh ye off topic, why does my name say unsaved trash under investigation? is that like for everyone? should i change my nickname? i'm not out to upsett anyone i just use that for everything should i not sign up? am i unwelcome? :S or is it just like that for everyone

[One-eyed Jack]

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The "Unsaved" is the traditional subscript until we understand that you are, by our Christian lights, saved. It's automatic.

Look carefully into the Bible.

A major thread in the Bible is that God loves His chosen people. They are the Saved. Everyone else is damned, and God will send them to Hell to be tortured.

This was true in the days of the prophet Isaiah, it was preached by Jesus (no man comes to God -- salvation -- but by Jesus), it is most explicitly true in the post-crucifixion Book of Revelation.

The idea that Christianity means God extends His merciful love to all people regardless of their religion is not Biblical. God extends the possibility of salvation to them, but unless they renounce Islam, or atheism, or Hinduism, or Mormonism, then He will send them to Hell.

To put it another way, everyone must bend to Christianity or go to the everlasting fire where the worm dieth not.

Again, THIS IS BIBLICAL TRUTH. The division of mankind into the Saved and the damned runs throughout the Book.

I urge you to look at Christianity with clear, unbiased eyes. The Lord surely demands no less.

There are other Biblical themes that are much neglected by modern "Christians" -- God's vengeful nature; His use of torture against mankind while simultaneously demanding that man love Him; the Old Testament putsches, wars, and pogroms He demanded of His followers; and perhaps deepest of all His creation of moral evil.

We can go into those subjects if you like. But do read the Bible with clarity and purpose.

~~ OEJ

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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oh ye off topic, why does my name say unsaved trash under investigation? is that like for everyone? should i change my nickname? i'm not out to upsett anyone i just use that for everything should i not sign up? am i unwelcome? :S or is it just like that for everyone

You are Unsaved because you are "not Saved". The New Testament and Old Testament make it clear that to reach the Kingdom of Heaven, you must follow God's Word as per KJV1611. If you have not attended Landover, you are not a True Christian, and you will not reach heaven - it's as clear as that. This is because other churches are apostate and teach a corrupt version of God's Word for their financial gain or at the behest of Satan.

You, like all those whose mouse has been guided by Jesus, are presently under investigation by the US Department of Faith.

There are many who, inspired by the Devil, attempt to breach the bounds of Landover. This gated area is secure and we wish it to remain that way. The investigation is costly (you may choose to repay part or all of it via the Paypal button below) we do not wish to spend government money, raising taxes is unwelcome: by extension, so are you.

Your nickname is of little consequence, if a pastor sees fit to change it, he will do.

[Glendora Christianson]

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I don't know what to do, please help? i'm really worried about this

I think your worrying days are just about over. You have fallen upon God's favorite church, so you're way ahead of millions of folks. As far as Christianity goes, it is based on one book called the KJV 1611 Bible. Thank Jesus that you don't follow a book about an angel named Moroni who likes to play hide and seek with golden books, or even worse a book written by a drunkard in some desert! Just relax and stick around a while and your soul will perk right up and let you know you're in the right place!

[Abu Obama]

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All people are born Muslims, the prophet and Allah say so(p-but)!
You are a muslim and if you refuse the miracles of the apostle of Allah, regardless of whether you saw them: you are an apostate who will burned in hell for all time with a new set of skin provided everytime the last one burns off. Allah the Merciful!!!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I've been a christian all my life since i was young and i have no doubt of the teachings from christ and i choose personally to believe in him, however i am beginning to become worried in the world i i live in and all that is around and happenning.

Somehow I doubt that. I see you can capitalize "I", but not "Christ". Who do you think is of greater value, you or Jesus?

Obviously, you put yourself above God.

Your role as a Christian is that of servant (that is, slave) to His Will. A Christian follows the Bible and does exactly what God says.

You, clearly, prefer to do what YOU want:

I do not hate people of other religeons, nationality or beliefs

God does. He commands us to kill them in His Word. You put your own distorted concept of "right and wrong" above His commands!

but i see a world of which thier beliefs though i feel misled perhaps are being twisted and minipulated unto ulitimately what is evil.

Twisted and manipulated into evil? Any belief which is NOT of God is, by definition, evil!

Have you ever actually read the Bible, young fellow? Somehow, I doubt it.

[Sister Rebecca]

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All people are born Muslims, the prophet and Allah say so(p-but)!
You are a muslim and if you refuse the miracles of the apostle of Allah, regardless of whether you saw them: you are an apostate who will burned in hell for all time with a new set of skin provided everytime the last one burns off. Allah the Merciful!!!

*sighs deeply*
How many times must we tell you to STOP plastering your Godless Mudslime propaganda on these Godly forums?
Pastors!! Hey Pastors!! *waves hands frantically to get attention* Point his ass!
Hehehe
Your Allah is writhing on Satan's tallywhacker right this moment, terrorist! Be sure of that!

[Grudon]

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Somehow I doubt that. I see you can capitalize "I", but not "Christ". Who do you think is of greater value, you or Jesus?

Obviously, you put yourself above God.

Your role as a Christian is that of servant (that is, slave) to His Will. A Christian follows the Bible and does exactly what God says.

You, clearly, prefer to do what YOU want:

God does. He commands us to kill them in His Word. You put your own distorted concept of "right and wrong" above His commands!

Twisted and manipulated into evil? Any belief which is NOT of God is, by definition, evil!

Have you ever actually read the Bible, young fellow? Somehow, I doubt it.

Firstly i'm dyslexic my written english isn't that amazing so any incorrect grammar or spellings is just a mistake not a padantic reference to priorities. now we have that out of the way, this is what is actually what worries me where you put "He commands us to kill them in His Word. You put your own distorted concept of "right and wrong" above His commands!" i thought ther commandment "Thou shalt not kill" was in itself self explanitory to not killing and was supposedly passed down as i see it from god so surely instead of killing we should debate and discuss?. I fail to see how a truelly loving God in any shape form or pressence would look any less on those who are unaware of him as long as they themselves live good lives.

I was thinking of this today as an example, " you have to shoe makers ( any job just make them the same bassically) and they lived near identicle lives. They both helped those in need the forgave didn't kill steal and abided law and morral goods in every way applicable the exception between the two is one is christian and the other was a muslim. They both had lived good lives and done near identicle things why is the other evil? surely a omnibenolent God would love both eqaully and judge them on there actions? should i hate people because they are misguided, should i not love them? help them?

And the word 'slave'. If we accept your precept of a 'Slave' to God which is all fair and well but we have different Churches in regaurd to the existence of different interpretations of Gods word. and so it does worry me that extremism could easily exist within christinaity as much as any other religeon.

I mean not all muslims want to kill us but there are those who have been covinced of certian interpretations of thier religeous text and that it justifies the murder of us or any others, couldn;t that logically happen to us just as easily?

[Grudon]

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sorry can't find a edit button so double post... the answer to have i read the bibble is yes, yes i have infact it's infront of me on my windowsill it's on old one amd i'm happy with it, it's well loved

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Firstly i'm dyslexic my written english isn't that amazing so any incorrect grammar or spellings is just a mistake not a padantic reference to priorities. now we have that out of the way, this is what is actually what worries me where you put "He commands us to kill them in His Word. You put your own distorted concept of "right and wrong" above His commands!" i thought ther commandment "Thou shalt not kill" was in itself self explanitory to not killing and was supposedly passed down as i see it from god so surely instead of killing we should debate and discuss?.

Is "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" ambiguous? How about "Thou shalt stone them with stones, and their blood shall be upon them"?

God commands us to kill many kinds of so-called "people"; sodomites, witches, sorcerers, those who consult spirits, disobedient children, fornicators, adulterers, and those who would lead us to follow false gods.

Sorry, He commands us directly to execute those He despises. We are not to murder people; do you know the difference between murdering and executing?

Can you show me where in the Bible God commands us to "discuss and debate" with those who despise Him? What do you think there is to discuss or debate? He says they are abominations, and that He will cast them into Hell for eternity unless they give up their perverse ways and repent. End of story.

I fail to see how a truelly loving God in any shape form or pressence would look any less on those who are unaware of him as long as they themselves live good lives.

Your failure to understand the mind of the Creator of the Universe isn't really relevant. That's like a pot expecting to understand the workings of the potter's mind. It's beyond you, get used to it.

I was thinking of this today as an example, " you have to shoe makers ( any job just make them the same bassically) and they lived near identicle lives. They both helped those in need the forgave didn't kill steal and abided law and morral goods in every way applicable the exception between the two is one is christian and the other was a muslim. They both had lived good lives and done near identicle things why is the other evil? surely a omnibenolent God would love both eqaully and judge them on there actions?

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do you find that ambiguous? Jesus says that the Muslim will go to Hell for his disbelief.

should i hate people because they are misguided, should i not love them? help them?

That's why we're here. To help people see the error of their ways, and understand who God says He is in His Word, the Holy Bible.

And the word 'slave'. If we accept your precept of a 'Slave' to God which is all fair and well but we have different Churches in regaurd to the existence of different interpretations of Gods word. and so it does worry me that extremism could easily exist within christinaity as much as any other religeon.

No, we have people who follow the Bible, and we have false Christians who give God lip service and then ignore His Book.

I mean not all muslims want to kill us but there are those who have been covinced of certian interpretations of thier religeous text and that it justifies the murder of us or any others, couldn;t that logically happen to us just as easily?

Their book is the work of a pedophilic camel jockey, who deflowered his child-bride when she reached the ripe old age of NINE. He worshipped Allah the Moon God, and was under the direction of Satan.

Of course his book leads people to insane conclusions; that's the intent.

[Bob4God]

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When people try to interpret the Bible on their own, they always have trouble.

The best approach is to just do what the Bible says without thinking. GOD, much like a stern but loving parent, does not expect us to question Him at every turn. 'Because I said so' should be reason enough to do anything if it's written in the Good Book.

The devil is trying to get you to use so-called 'logic' to pit the Bible against itself. For instance, taking "thou shalt not kill" and using it to say that we shouldn't stone homosexuals to death. Liberals and satanists would have you believe that this is a direct, logical contradiction in the Bible, therefore it shouldn't be taken as the literal word of a supreme, all-knowing being. This is simply not the case. The Bible is the TRUTH. We know this because the Bible says so. If the Bible is the truth and it says that it's the truth, it must be the truth, and nothing else can be the truth.

If the Bible says kill witches, it means kill witches. The LORD makes it clear who we are to kill and who is deserving of life. So once you really know the Bible and understand it, you can safely carry out the LORD's instruction without being in violation of any other part of the Bible. (Please note that secular governments do not allow us to actually do what the Bible tells us, such as stoning children to death for being disobedient. Doing so will result in imprisonment at the hands of liberal activist judges.)

Hebrews 13:8 says that GOD is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, even if in one verse He commands us to kill and then instructs us not to kill in another. The LORD works in mysterious ways, and if you have even a tiny drop of faith, you will know that whatever He does, He's right.

[Grudon]

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Is "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" ambiguous? How about "Thou shalt stone them with stones, and their blood shall be upon them"?

God commands us to kill many kinds of so-called "people"; sodomites, witches, sorcerers, those who consult spirits, disobedient children, fornicators, adulterers, and those who would lead us to follow false gods.

Sorry, He commands us directly to execute those He despises. We are not to murder people; do you know the difference between murdering and executing?

Can you show me where in the Bible God commands us to "discuss and debate" with those who despise Him? What do you think there is to discuss or debate? He says they are abominations, and that He will cast them into Hell for eternity unless they give up their perverse ways and repent. End of story.


Your failure to understand the mind of the Creator of the Universe isn't really relevant. That's like a pot expecting to understand the workings of the potter's mind. It's beyond you, get used to it.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do you find that ambiguous? Jesus says that the Muslim will go to Hell for his disbelief.


That's why we're here. To help people see the error of their ways, and understand who God says He is in His Word, the Holy Bible.

No, we have people who follow the Bible, and we have false Christians who give God lip service and then ignore His Book.

Their book is the work of a pedophilic camel jockey, who deflowered his child-bride when she reached the ripe old age of NINE. He worshipped Allah the Moon God, and was under the direction of Satan.

Of course his book leads people to insane conclusions; that's the intent.

So bassically as long as we can find some cattorgory that people fall into we can persecute and kill to our hearts content? I thought a huge factor within christianity was about love rather than persecution. Surely as we have all been given the faculty of reason by God we should use it? those who do not follow Christ i fail to see any reason why they are lesser than us?

Anouther thing, you talk down to me as if i am ignorant of the langauge of English, I am not. My spoken english is more than ample and capable for the ability to convey my meaning across to people even if i strugle at times with it. AND if you are just going to sit behind the trancendy of God as justification for the interpretations of Gods word you have maybe you should come up with a better arguement God is trancendent not you "get used to it". i mean do you feel that you are on par with God?

If we are going to come across ambiguity within the bibble then i feel that "thou Shalt not kill" is about as plain as it comes. I am perfectly aware of the destinction between murder and execution but both are an act of killing and thus are wrong, if you weant to get pedantic it does not actually state within that sentence stone to death, just blood on thier blood shall be upon them. So deciding that that means to kill them would be an interpreation but of course that conflicts with thou shalt not kill which of course would mean that you conclusion is null and void.

If God wants to strike them down then that is Gods choice but of course i can not begin to fathom God choices as they are beyond any humans comprehension so i do not begin to, i mearly try and discern what he has left behind and was worried that like in Islam or any other religeon that christianity could be Warped and conveyed to others so that they would hurt people snd that would greatly sadden me.

Finally we are NOT slaves. We are fully able to go against Gods word and commit evil how ever we can choose to follow gods word that hardly makes us 'slaves' if we were slaves we would not be able to choose.

Now i must appologise for what may have sounded as an impertinent post however i came here for assistance on a problem that worried me and was searching for other perspectives that would perhaps shine illumination on my problem. I did not come here to be looked down upon and have someone imply that i weas an idiot or fool.

Ah yes and can someone explain the qoute commands please? i must say i haver little experience on forums or blogs etc

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I am perfectly aware of the destinction between murder and execution but both are an act of killing and thus are wrong, if you weant to get pedantic it does not actually state within that sentence stone to death, just blood on thier blood shall be upon them. So deciding that that means to kill them would be an interpreation but of course that conflicts with thou shalt not kill which of course would mean that you conclusion is null and void.

If God wants to strike them down then that is Gods choice but of course i can not begin to fathom God choices as they are beyond any humans comprehension so i do not begin to, i mearly try and discern what he has left behind [...]

These Holy Words, spoken by Christ, will give you an idea of whether it is right to kill people merely for being your enemy:

Lu:19:26: For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Lu:19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Lu:19:28: And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.


Now witches, homers, and various other people are an abomination unto The Lord. They are - de facto - His enemies; God orders the killing, just as Jesus orders the killing.


I can't see where you have a problem! God does not have one.

[Grudon]

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So are we going to branch out into just war theory now? It does clearly state thou shalt not kill. That statement does not make the destinction between enemy or not it just states thou shalt not kill, there is no get out claus, no ambiguaty. Even in your statement there are holes in it

" But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them"

Which i should not reign over, That implies they are given a chance, how can you challenge thier beliefs... by debate and questions. If i'm wrong i guess it means you can persecute those to your hearts content as long as you can find references to it in the bibble? To be absolutely honest i am willing to bet if you go through ANY book and set out to look for references to justify your means you canfind phrases which could justify Geonocide.

And then answer this then, what about the problem of evil? God is Omnibenevolent and omnipotent yet evil exists.