Are we all "equal"?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Many Unsaved Trash join this Godly forum and begin spouting off nonsense about how everyone is "equal"; retards, Wiccans, Negroes, Islamofascists, women, sodomites, etc. are all described as "equal" to Saved© True Christians™!

They often cite as evidence the Declaration of Independence, which says in part:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Unsaved Trash then claim that it is "un-American" to say that some types of people are inferior to Saved© True Christians™.

For a first volley, let me point out that many of the authors of the Declaration of Independence were slaveowners, and beat their wives. Therefore, they did not consider Negroes to be "men", since clearly one cannot keep a slave if one considers him one's equal. They also did not consider women equal to men; in fact, they didn't even allow them to vote or own property!

Your turn, Unsaved Trash.

[Roberta]

Re: Are we all "equal"?

I recently posted this in another thread:

More importantly, many of the Southern gentleman like our esteemed Thomas Jefferson chose to bless their chattel with mulatto offspring. This not only greatly improved their appearance but contributed to intelligence quotient, too.

William Jefferson Clinton is a testament to this. A descendant of the Jefferson-Hemings miscegeny, he went on to become a Rhodesian Scholar.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Citing the Declaration of Independence instead of the Holy King James Bible just shows how lost in error they are. The statement that you've quoted presupposes the god of 18th-century Deism, not the God of the Bible. The Biblically correct view is that God gives us no unalienable rights:

Job 9:12: “Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?”

Even if we did have unalienable rights, any Biblically literate person could tell you that they don’t include life (James 4:14), liberty (I Peter 2:18), or the pursuit of happiness (Eccl. 4:1-2).

[Meat Sandwich]

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We are all born equal, the steps we take in life determine the rungs we rest on in life and death.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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We are all born equal, the steps we take in life determine the rungs we rest on in life and death.

Most interesting… I am imagining a newly born child, only seconds old. I cast my view to the parents. They are Unsaved Trash...

I refer myself to Jer:13:23: Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

So the equality of birth lasts all of 2 seconds, after that your lot in life is cast. I think that Miss Cecil Frances Alexander had it about right with that lovely hymn, “All Things Bright and Beautiful” in which, the second verse is,

“The rich man in his castle,
the poor man at his gate,
God made them, high or lowly,
and ordered their estate.”

[JennyD]

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We are all born equal, the steps we take in life determine the rungs we rest on in life and death.

What an odd belief you have, Sandy. May I call you Sandy? "Meat" just seems . . . inappropriate.

So, you're saying that a retard baby (IQ below 80, let's say) whose mother drank herself silly daily during pregnancy is equal to, say, a True Christian(tm) woman's baby, with an IQ of at least 120 (100 is "average")? They are interchangeable, and their futures depend entirely upon their own choices?

Is that <snort> what you're saying?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Sister Jenny, I believe that is exactly what Meat Sandwich is saying.

There is no longer a need for "advanced placement" curricula in our schools, as we are all "equal".

There's no need for a "remedial" curriculum, either.

You see, we just need to dumb everything down until everyone -- including the retarded, spastic window-lickers like "Sand-Witch" -- understands.

Anyone caught attempting to surpass the average must be restrained; if someone is allowed to excel, it might damage the self-esteem of one of those who chooses not to excel in the same way. This is bad, very bad. For if we do not all feel good about ourselves by pulling all others down to the same level, we cannot truly function as a cohesive and egalitarian society.

It might make one of the window-lickers feel bad, say, if a so-called "smart" child got a merit scholarship to Landover Baptist University while the window-licker had his application rejected. Therefore, all scholarships should be awarded based upon a lottery system, as should applications to universities.

Rather than the "smart" kids going to the "good" schools, a random selection will ensure that every school has a fair and equal distribution of all types of students. An identical hiring process for teachers will distribute teachers equally among schools. Thus, no school will be "better" than another, and no school will be "worse". They will all be perfectly average in all ways.

What of those who try to show themselves superior? What of the show-offs, like that medal-winning Phelps fellow?

Well, we can take care of them, don't you worry.

Anyone found to be "showing off", whether in sports, or education, or business, or creativity, must be sent to re-education facilities. This is evidence of a runaway ego, and MUST be controlled. Showing off is not permitted, as it encourages others to either attempt to emulate the behavior, or to feel bad about themselves for not choosing actions which will attract such attention to themselves.

[Miss Maisie]

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We are all born equal, the steps we take in life determine the rungs we rest on in life and death.

That ain't so in the eyes of God. Look at the children of bastards. They are all doomed unto the ninth generation. Fortunately for the rest of us, we ain't all in that situation, are we? Therefore that can hardly be being 'born equal'.

[s@ul77]

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Job 34:19: Yet He is not partial to princes, Nor does He regard the rich more than the poor; For they are all the work of His hands.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Job 34:19: Yet He is not partial to princes, Nor does He regard the rich more than the poor; For they are all the work of His hands.

Yes, they are all the work of His hands, but His hands work in different ways on different people:

Romans 9:20-21: Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

[s@ul77]

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And it is telling you not to treat people differently because of who they are, full stop.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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And it is telling you not to treat people differently because of who they are, full stop.

No, no, no! The Lord has taught us that there are those we do treat differently:

Jos:10:10: And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Beth-horon, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.
Jos:10:20: And it came to pass, when Joshua and the children of Israel had made an end of slaying them with a very great slaughter, till they were consumed, that the rest which remained of them entered into fenced cities.
J'g:11:33: And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.
J'g:15:8: And he smote them hip and thigh with a great slaughter: and he went down and dwelt in the top of the rock Etam.

So you see, people are to be treated in the way God intends you to treat them.

When God appeared as Jesus, did Jesus say differently?

Lu:19:27: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Certainly a lack of equality there.

I begin to think that you are no Christian.

[Warrior of God]

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Quote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ].

I had to pause and wonder whether this sentence needed to be looked at in a way that remembers context.

It was written at a time when a colony was in revolt against a King. Now no matter the rights and wrongs of either side, the fact remains that the people writing those lines needed an awful lot of other people, who probably might not have been as bright, or even as equal as those writing it, to take up arms and get between them and a whole load of Redcoats.
That might have been fair motivation to sell an idea to a bunch of people that were expecting to get paid a fair days pay for a fair days fighting, and the coffers weren't all that full.
At the time the writers probably weren't all that bothered what colour , creed, race, religion, or mental state , those people were , as long as they could shoulder a musket/rifle.
Might it have been a case of 'needs must'...
Let's face it , if things are a little shaky we might offer the kindness of words people need to hear, as an act of comfort and encouragement.

or alternatively...
Possibly the words are true but within the context that applies to each person.
Maybe where they come from , everyone is created equal etc, but equal with everyone else from where they come from.
That would make sense.
I sort of 'met' quite a few Iraqi's and assorted islamics over the years, and they are certainly all equal with each other...however , it is stupid to say they're equal to me as , well, I am still here and intent on God's work.
They aren't..so they can't be equal to me, and the definitiely aren't persuing anything except the devil's hindquarters.
That means I will be meeting more Iraqi's , islamics , and such, and helping them be equal to the one's I met over the years.
Even the kit we use demonstrates what I mean.
I tend to prefer an Accuracy International L96A1 ,or variant,...Most of my competition opted for a Drugenov, which will do the job ok .
But, compared to the L96, it is crude and , frankly just a little primitive.
But so were the designers.
But a Drugenove is equal to a Drugenove , if you follow my thinking.
Maybe all Catholics are created equal , with other catholics...
maybe all homos are equal, with other homos,
lezzers with other lezzers...
maybe you get my point.
Maybe it even means that those not born in a well provided for situation are equal, with others that share their plight.
I once even read that the words were changed, and it originally read 'life , liberty, and the persuit of property.'
So that would mean everyone had an equal chance to try for them, but only the better ones would get them...
If it had meant everyone had to have an equal share of everything, well that would be silly...
plain daft, that would be communistic , and this is America we are talking about here. Obviously the two just do not belong together.

It also says 'endowed by their creator'...see, not THE creator...Their creator...and we have to agree that God, the true God, did not make communists and catholics and mooselems, and homos and lezzers. Surely how they all are is the work of Satan, their creator. Satan at least 'creates them as corrupted versions of how proper people are made by God to be.
as God doesn't create all the broken things.
So that would mean all the tainted are equal with one another, and have an equal shot at hell.
all the average folks are equal, just by being average and staying that way keeps them equal.
and all the Goodly God fearing righteous folk, they all start out with an equal chance at the winning tape.
Just a few thoughts...

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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It also says 'endowed by their creator'...see, not THE creator...Their creator...and we have to agree that God, the true God, did not make communists and catholics and mooselems, and homos and lezzers. Surely how they all are is the work of Satan, their creator. Satan at least 'creates them as corrupted versions of how proper people are made by God to be.
as God doesn't create all the broken things.

I'm afraid we, and God, would have to disagree with you on this point.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

[Antichrist]

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Sister Jenny, I believe that is exactly what Meat Sandwich is saying.

There is no longer a need for "advanced placement" curricula in our schools, as we are all "equal".

There's no need for a "remedial" curriculum, either.

You see, we just need to dumb everything down until everyone -- including the retarded, spastic window-lickers like "Sand-Witch" -- understands.

Anyone caught attempting to surpass the average must be restrained; if someone is allowed to excel, it might damage the self-esteem of one of those who chooses not to excel in the same way. This is bad, very bad. For if we do not all feel good about ourselves by pulling all others down to the same level, we cannot truly function as a cohesive and egalitarian society.

It might make one of the window-lickers feel bad, say, if a so-called "smart" child got a merit scholarship to Landover Baptist University while the window-licker had his application rejected. Therefore, all scholarships should be awarded based upon a lottery system, as should applications to universities.

Rather than the "smart" kids going to the "good" schools, a random selection will ensure that every school has a fair and equal distribution of all types of students. An identical hiring process for teachers will distribute teachers equally among schools. Thus, no school will be "better" than another, and no school will be "worse". They will all be perfectly average in all ways.

What of those who try to show themselves superior? What of the show-offs, like that medal-winning Phelps fellow?

Well, we can take care of them, don't you worry.

Anyone found to be "showing off", whether in sports, or education, or business, or creativity, must be sent to re-education facilities. This is evidence of a runaway ego, and MUST be controlled. Showing off is not permitted, as it encourages others to either attempt to emulate the behavior, or to feel bad about themselves for not choosing actions which will attract such attention to themselves.

You are one sick mofo, where did it go wrong? When you had to say daddy to your brother?