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  • Hyper-Calvinist
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    • Oct 2008
    • 9
    #1

    Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

    Van Til:

    We must point out to [our opponents] that [non-theistic] reasoning itself leads to self-contradiction, not only from a theistic point of view, but from a non-theistic point of view as well... It is this that we ought to mean when we say that we reason from the impossibility of the contrary. The contrary is impossible only if it is self-contradictory when operating on the basis of its own assumptions.
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    • Ezekiel Bathfire
      Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
      Christ's Rottweiler
       
      • Jan 2008
      • 22833
      #2
      Re: Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

      Originally posted by Hyper-Calvinist View Post
      Van Til:

      We must point out to [our opponents] that [non-theistic] reasoning itself leads to self-contradiction, not only from a theistic point of view, but from a non-theistic point of view as well... It is this that we ought to mean when we say that we reason from the impossibility of the contrary. The contrary is impossible only if it is self-contradictory when operating on the basis of its own assumptions.
      So Van Til tells you not to use non-theistic reasoning... yet you've being doing that to deny Godly Freewill! And assuming that you do not believe that this Van Til fellow is a god - and I'll put nothing past your heresy, you listen to this bit of his non-theistic reasoning, which, as he says, leads to contradiction?

      Son, have you sought treatment through prayer from a Baptist Pastor? You have demons of confusion of the brain.
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      “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

      Author of such illuminating essays as,
      Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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        • Brother Guy Bayard
          Anvil of the Antipodes
          True Christian™
          • Jul 2007
          • 1271
          #3
          Re: Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

          I recently was forced to defend myself from an atheist attack only a day or two ago. I was testifying in the red light district, when an atheist stopped and confronted me. The conversation went a little like this.
          Atheist: God doesn't exist
          me: *angry* of course God exists
          Atheist: how do you know?
          me: have the Bible and I have faith
          Atheist: Does the Bible prove God exists?
          me: of course. It was written by God
          Atheist: Do you have faith?
          me: of course I have faith, for without faith we are without God.
          Atheist: So without faith, God cannot exist? Then if the bible proves the existence of God, God couldnt have written it, as it removes the need for faith by proving God exists. God would never have created something that denies his existence. What would be the point of that? So by SAYING God exists in the bible, it actually proves he DOESN'T EXIST
          Me: I have a Glock 9mm and a full magazine
          Atheist: I have to go now.
          Me: yep you better go RIGHT NOW.

          Another victory for Jesus. Praise!
          The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstance of the Divine Sacraments. He baptises his believers and promises forgiveness of sins...he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copied certain things of those that be divine."
          Tertullian (155-222 AD) from The Prescription Against Heretics' Ch XL

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            • Ezekiel Bathfire
              Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
              Christ's Rottweiler
               
              • Jan 2008
              • 22833
              #4
              Re: Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

              God approves of Might.



              It always bothers me that atheists seem to never ask themselves why anyone would write the Bible if there were no God.

              If it were an elaborate practical joke, then surely someone would have seen through it by now and disproved God’s existence? But no, they haven’t.

              It being such a Good Book, such an authority, such a depiction of Mankind’s lot, the Bible appears as the distilled wisdom of the Greatest Minds – yet deeds that are impossible for man are witnessed therein; yet geniuses recorded these things!



              They would have to know that unless the story of God were true, they would be looked upon as idiots, which they were clearly not.

              If these sages of old knew it was true, why is there any difficulty accepting The Bible as True today and thus that there is a God?
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              “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

              Author of such illuminating essays as,
              Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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                • Jean Poole
                  Mother of 20
                  True Christian™
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 384
                  #5
                  Re: Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

                  CalSINist, don't use your big words on us. All the words a True Christian™ needs to know are:

                  Jesus
                  Faith
                  God
                  Heaven
                  Hell
                  Rebuke
                  Holy KJV1611 Bible

                  Christian Ladies must also know: Vacuum, clean, cook, babies, dust, serve.
                  God hates Seth Cochrane.

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                    • Pastor Ezekiel
                      Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                       
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 78552
                      #6
                      Re: Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

                      What is a "Van Til?"

                      And when is this God mocker going to learn how to make his own arguments rather than cut and paste, stealing from other false Christian and atheistic websites?
                      Who Will Jesus Damn?

                      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                        • Wide-Open
                          Director of European Evangelical Outreach
                          A Shining Example of Christ's Love
                          Quite possibly the only decent, heterosexual human being in the whole of Europe
                          True Christian™
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 18449
                          #7
                          Re: Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God

                          Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                          What is a "Van Til?"
                          I think it means plowing the land with vans. Futile, if you ask me.

                          Job 1:14
                          And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
                          Psalm 81:10:
                          I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
                          open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.

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