Convert me.

[Mr.Russell]

My name is Mr. Russell. I am not christian.

I've been looking around this forum and most of it is not making any sense to me. I've noticed that many of you beat your wives? How on earth is that Christian? Do you feel the need to control her, or do you feel the need to display power? If you love her enough to marry her, why cause her physical pain? I don't see logic in that at all!
I'm trying my very best not to cause offence to anyone, i am simply trying to have some questions answered rationally. I have noticed that some of you agree with me and my points I am to raise, so this message does not apply to all that use this forum, so apologies to those whom take offence.
Many of you show archaic discrimination that I find shocking. Especially towards those with Special Needs, Homosexuals, etc. You are born Homosexual and you are born with Special Needs. If 'god' is 'all loving' then why would he punish someone, why not treat them as a fellow human?
I also do not understand how hypocritical some of you come accross as. Someone here mentioned that anyone of any other religion is 'scum'. That is pure racism. Again, if 'god' loves everyone, created humans in his own image and gave man free will, then why do you have the right to hate and discriminate those who have used their free will to chose their own religion?
Back to the wife beating point, I cannot begin justify this at all! If your wife was distrusting of you and she decided to paddle you, lock you in the house or have 100% of every aspect of your life, please tell me what your reaction would be? Would you 'let' her? To me, some people on this forum seem extremely sexist.
Not only sexist, but racist, discriminative, and prejudice. To those it may concern, I am not saying this in reference to everyone on this forum, or for that fact all christians, but to me, it does seem a majority of people on this forum are hypocritical of themselves and do not seem to stand for christian morals anymore.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,
Mr. Russell.

[Ebenezer Wright]

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All your questions above would be answered if you just stuck that hateful nose in a KJV Bible! Simple as that!

[Brother V]

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Dearest Mr. Russell;

Perhaps you are familiar with the Amazon Women. They kept men as just sex partners, the women were the warriors, and town leaders.

Perhaps you are familiar with Lesbian couples, who only use men as sperm donors, for when they want to have offspring (think of the secular tv show Friends).

Dear friend, discrimination is not archaic. All you have to do is look at the previous U.S. presidential election. Even though a black man won, how many people said they would never vote for a black man. How many people said they would never vote for a woman? How many black people voted for Obama, solely because he's black? Discrimination is not archaic, it's modern.

As to the "all loving" God question. Do you have kids? Do you always love your kids? Do you love your kids when they misbehave? Of course you would/do. Do the children still need to be punished when they misbehave? Of course they would/do. God is the same way. We are HIS children. When we misbehave (by breaking his 613 laws) we deserve punishment. Most of the time, we are forgiven of our sins, but you really have to want to be redeemed. Do you REALLY want to be redeemed?

In order to REALLY be forgiven of your sins you have to not want to do them anymore.

Most "MODERN" people, don't believe that what they are doing is wrong. Are you this way? You probably don't believe that you are committing sins. You might think to yourself, "I'm a good person". Well friend, you might be a decent person, but you still break God's laws. Heck, just saying you don't break God's law, is breaking the law. And for that, you must be reprimanded, punished.

God will forgive you, but only if you realize that what you are doing is wrong, and ONLY if you decide to change your ways.

Do you want forgiveness? Or do you want God to conform around you?

YIC
V

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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My name is Mr. Russell. [...] You are born Homosexual and you are born with Special Needs.

Boy, you're an idiot. Homersexuralism is a lifestyle choice, especially popular with men who are "good with colors". Retardism is God's punishment on the parents for their sins

If 'god' is 'all loving'

You show me, in the Bible, where God is "all loveing."

then why would he punish someone, why not treat them as a fellow human?

He punishes them for disobedience. And God is not "a fellow Human" That is why He's called GOD... He's a "God". Did you go to school?

Someone here mentioned that anyone of any other religion is 'scum'. That is pure racism.

OK lame brian how can that be "racism"? What has race got to do with it? Are you saying Nigras can't be Christians? Are you saying Slants can never know God? Where is the "racism"?

Again, if 'god' loves everyone,

AND IF YOU COULD READ, I'VE TOLD YOU THAT HE IS NOT "ALL LOVING" can't you read? [...]

Thank you for taking the time to read this,

I didn't read all of it, it is an insult to intelligence.

[Mr.Russell]

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Thanks you Brother V for your reply and good manners,

I am familiar with the Amazon Women and their culture, but they aren't christians, they have a way of life that is much different to modern society, wether it be christian or not. Again, Lesbians do use men's sperm to conceive, but only as they physically cannot. I'm not too familiar on this, but is it a sin to donate sperm? and aren't Homosexuals comdemned by many christians?

You are right in saying thst discrimination is not archaic, my apologies. But if christianity is the 'best' religoin, as stated by many on this forum, then shouldn't you set examples, as christians, by being more tolerant whch in turn could convert more people, perhaps such as myself, to christianity?

And i do not see punishment as nessecary in all cases. If my children misbehave, I talk to them. I don't need to punish them, I can talk to them, explain to them why their actions were wrong, encourage them to think empathetically and see the consequences of their actions. In terms of christianity, couldn't you just accept that you will break at least one of the 613 laws in your lifetime, and 'reach an agreement with god', to say that you will always do your best to adhere to these rules as opposed to taking time to confess/apologise/dwell on your actions? In my eyes, that would make more sense, but I do see how an apology would be a more meaningful portrayal of how sorry you are.

And to Ezekiel Bathfire and Ebenezer Wright, This is what i'm talking about. I'm not looking for a hateful debate, or to offend you or anything of the sort. Take a leaf out of Brother V's book, talk to me properly if you wish to have a mature conversation.

Thank you,
Mr. Russell.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]And to Ezekiel Bathfire and Ebenezer Wright, This is what i'm talking about. I'm not looking for a hateful debate, or to offend you or anything of the sort. Take a leaf out of Brother V's book, talk to me properly if you wish to have a mature conversation.

Son, you're not calling the shots, God is. Look at what Brother Wright and I posted - see if you can't see your errors.

[Mr.Russell]

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Okay then,
Homosexualism is not a lifestyle choice at all! It's not within one's control to choose their sexuality!
Why should god chose to 'punish' a child with special needs if it was their parents who sinned? Seems rather unfair on gods part.
I did go to school thanks, and in my post i never meant to imply 'god' was human at all.

"The Lord is righteous in all His ways and loving toward all He has made." Psalm 145:17, NIV

God is all loving.

Perhaps if you did read it all you may not have replied in such a defensive manner and maybe replied in a mature manner instead?

Mr. Russell

[Mr.Russell]

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And if calling all religions in the world scum, other than christians, then what is? What I gathered from this other person, was that 'all muslims were scum', 'all jews were scum', etc. Do you not regard that as racism?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]
"The Lord is righteous in all His ways and loving toward all He has made." Psalm 145:17, NIV

You will receive an infraction for traducing the Word of God*. This is what Psalms:145:17 says. "The LORD is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works."

Perhaps if you did read it all

Which I have and clearly you have not

you may not have replied in such a defensive manner and maybe replied in a mature manner instead?

Your opinions of my manner are as chaff before the wind - you set yourself up as a judge of my manner, yet know nothing of True Christianity™.

Son, you are not impressing me with arrogance based on error.

*Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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And if calling all religions in the world scum, other than christians, then what is? What I gathered from this other person, was that 'all muslims were scum', 'all jews were scum', etc. Do you not regard that as racism?

No, and neither would you if you had an ounce of intelligence - You are simply not thinking!

Look, how clearly do I have to say it? Racism is against races. Muslims are not "a race" they follow a religion and come from every race under the sun - therefore it is not Racism.

The jews range in color from deep black to light white - anyone one can convert to judaism, an Eskimo and an Abo can - how can they be a "race"?

So enough with the racism! You were wrong and no amount of squealing can prevent that.

[Mr.Russell]

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Okay, I apologise for quoting the 'wrong' bible, and being wrong about racism but aren't my other points still valid?

[Jimmy C Lombardo]

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No.

[Vincentius Pius]

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Okay then,
Homosexualism is not a lifestyle choice at all! It's not within one's control to choose their sexuality!

...

"The Lord is righteous in all His ways and loving toward all He has made." Psalm 145:17, NIV

God is all loving.

...

Mr. Russell

Welcome dear Mr. Russell,
I hope you will see His light before your damnation.

first:
Homosexualism is a lifestyle choice, I was homosexual (though never got as far as the act which makes man sodomite), and I am not anymore. To have sexual intercourse is a choice. You might say something like 'to love a man is not a choice', that is true! But you can show love for someone in many other ways, there is nothing wrong with the liking of your brethren, but abusing them and in that way giving yourself and this friend a one-way-ticket to hell is just plain wrong.

second:
The Holy Bible does not at all state that we should be tolerant of non-Christians, thank you.

[Mr.Russell]

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I never meant to imply that the bible said to hate other religions, my apologies! But it seems thats the way some people on this forum think.
I see your point with homosexualism, but does this mean a christian husband and wife only have sex purely for reproduction? Because to me it either seems like Christians are homophobic if they allow a man and woman to have sex for pleasure, but not two men. Or, they should be nothing against homosexuals in the bible at all, as if a christian husband and wife only have sex to reproduce, the two men would not need to have sex. And homosexual sex seems to be the issue here.
Mr. Russell.

[Brother V]

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Thanks you Brother V for your reply and good manners,

I am familiar with the Amazon Women and their culture, but they aren't christians,

You are right in saying thst discrimination is not archaic, my apologies. But if christianity is the 'best' religoin, as stated by many on this forum, then shouldn't you set examples, as christians, by being more tolerant whch in turn could convert more people, perhaps such as myself, to christianity?

And i do not see punishment as nessecary in all cases. If my children misbehave, I talk to them. I don't need to punish them,

Thank you,
Mr. Russell.

Dear friend,

Of course Amazon women aren't Christians, True Christian (tm) women know their place, and it's not on the battle ground, it's in the kitchen, and/or making new Soldiers for Christ (r).

Tolerant is not a word that I can find in my Bible (KJV1611). Friend, you are trying to shape God around your will, it is you that must contort to what God wants. God will not tolerate your sin. Do you get to pick and choose which of man's laws that you get to follow? Do you think the speed limit doesn't apply to you? Do you think that seat belt laws don't apply? Do you think your children don't always have to be in car seats? Do you think you can do whatever illegal drugs you want? Friend, we are not the people who create the laws, we MUST follow them. Like a human police officer, God may let you off with just a warning ticket, but even when the cop gives you the warning, it's still given (most likely) because you made a promise to the cop to not drive so fast, and you cried like a little girl. God will let you off with a warning, but you have to promise to change your ways.

Same as with your kids. How many times do you have to tell them that it's not ok to play with your collection of Hummel figurines, before they stop? Will you sit down and talk with them about it once? twice? how many times do you talk with children before you need to let them know you mean business?

How will the kids ever know that you do mean business if all that ever happens to them is daddy sits down and tells them they did wrong? HOW MANY HUMMEL'S MUST BE BROKE BEFORE THE CHILD GET'S SPANKED?

Only when the child knows that there are REAL, ACTUAL consequences to their actions, will a child stop their bad behavior.

The same is with you, as a child of God. You may get lucky, and God will just sit you down and let you know that what you did was wrong, other times, He'll kill you on the spot, with no explanation (like Onan) .

Friend, God's Law is easy to follow. You just do it. God will not put up with civic unrest, like Iran is having now. Following God is not a popular election. God doesn't get to be voted off the island. You either choose to follow it 100%, or you don't follow it at all. There is no middle ground of what you would like it to be.

Hope this helps,

YIC
V