[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

The Bible will say God created Adam till the end of time. It is an unchanging document. But science will continue to develop as new evidence accumulates.

So, if the Bible is right, it will continue to be right, but if science is right, it will still continue to change, so it has to get worse, if you want to change a perfect thing. Another reason the Bible is the better source of evidence!
Praise the Lord!

When I was a boy I tried to imagine what Heaven was like. I was taught that Heaven was perfect, but I loved progress. If Heaven was perfect, surely there would be progress in Heaven too. But if there were progress in Heaven, that would imply that it wasn't perfect to begin with.

It was the ancient Greeks who determined that the Earth is round. By noting the difference in the elevation of the Sun between Greece and Africa, and using their knowledge of trigonometry, they determined not only the shape but the size of the earth. They must have known that there was much more of the Earth than they had seen.

The Greek astromer Ptolomy drew upon this knowledge to develop his own model of the universe, with the earth at the center and the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars revolving around it. This model stood until Copernicus offered an alternative: the sun-centered universe, which did a much better job of accounting for the apparent motions of the heavenly bodies.

We now know that the stars are suns in their own right and modern astronomy has deduced the existence of numerous planets around other stars. Using many lines of evidence, they have determined that the Earth is four billion years old and the Milky Way Galaxy, in which we live in thirteen billion years old. It is so large that it takes a hundred thousand years for light to travel from one end of the Galaxy to the other. And yet, it is only one galaxy among billions.

Meanwhile the sixty-six books of the Bible have endured more or less as they were first written thousands of years ago. Either the scriptures were written by human beings, as I believe, or God didn't tell his scribes everything he knew about the Universe. The authors did not have the benefit of Greek astronomy, so they pictured the Earth as flat, except for an occasional hill or mountain, because that was the way they experienced it.

Because the heavenly bodies were so far away, they saw them in miniature, as we do and thus assumed the universe was much smaller than we know it to be, something that a deity a lot like us, except for his supernatural powers, could put together in just six days. ("In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.") The ancient Hebrews were quite content to attribute to God anything they could not understand.

And while the scriptures, like all books, remained stagnant, we mastered agriculture, learned the blessing and curse of wine, occupied the entire planet without ever falling off the edge, invented gunpowder, trains, planes, and automobiles, computers, and the internet, and we stuck a toe into space. Question: did we do this by following the scriptures faithfully, or by setting the scriptures aside to find answers in the world?

The perfect word of God is something that exists only in the imperfect pages of a Bible written thousands of years ago. Instead of perfection we have progress and instead of a small young world we have a vast old universe to marvel at. I cannot imagine anything in that small Biblical world to match a great universe that, to quote J.B.S. Haldane is not only stranger than we imagine but stranger than we can imagine.

[Jedediah]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I don't doubt God's existence, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist.

Typical of one afflicted with your corrupt brand of foolishness, you not only lie about God's existence to others - you lie to yourself. The very fact that you are here arguing against God's existence proves that deep down, you know that He exists. Thank you for proving us right.

When you are ready to stop suppressing the Truth you hold, we will be here to help you develop a personal relationship with Jesus.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Weak. Interpreting it literally, I am damned if I eat. It does not say I am spreading sin. If I am spreading sin and Satan exists and has the qualities the Bible attributes to him, then I am furthering Satan's cause. But it does not follow that I am worshipping Satan. Only I can say whether I am or not and so far I have not noticed that I am worshipping this entity I don't believe in.

Of course I don't believe this scripture. I don't doubt God's existence, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist. I don't believe that it's a sin for anybody to eat, even evil people, and I don't believe in the false choice between faith and sin.

Pretty sure God doesn't exist = you know God exists, you just refuse to admit it.

As for extra Biblical evidence for the existence of God, my signature is full of it. Try dealing with those Mr Atheist instead of your Strawman believer.

[davidbrainfart]

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I, of course, don't believe in Satan. I suppose an atheist could also be a Satan worshipper, but that sounds like a contradiction to me.

All atheists are Satan worshipers, of course!

Source please.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23.
You see? Even by eating you're spreading sin --> furthering Satan's cause --> worshiping Satan! QED.

Weak. Interpreting it literally, I am damned if I eat. It does not say I am spreading sin. If I am spreading sin and Satan exists and has the qualities the Bible attributes to him, then I am furthering Satan's cause. But it does not follow that I am worshipping Satan. Only I can say whether I am or not and so far I have not noticed that I am worshipping this entity I don't believe in.

Of course I don't believe this scripture. I don't doubt God's existence, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist. I don't believe that it's a sin for anybody to eat, even evil people, and I don't believe in the false choice between faith and sin.

[Thomas Dalton]

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Source, please.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23.
You see? Even by eating you're spreading sin --> furthering Satan's cause --> worshiping Satan! QED.

Because presumbably, we are all descended from Noah. I did look over all the names in the geneologies and confirmed that they matched through King David, but the closest name I could find to "Noah" was "Noe." Same man, different spelling?

Yes, like I would still respond to Tommy Dalton.

The Bible will say God created Adam till the end of time. It is an unchanging document. But science will continue to develop as new evidence accumulates. I can pretty much guarantee, however, that it will never say we are descended from monkeys, only creatures that resemble them in some ways and us in others.

So, if the Bible is right, it will continue to be right, but if science is right, it will still continue to change, so it has to get worse, if you want to change a perfect thing. Another reason the Bible is the better source of evidence!
Praise the Lord!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Were unicorns real?

Job 39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

Psalm 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Yes.

[davidbrainfart]

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..the theory of evolution, requires outside verification.

I think I have a good intuitive understanding of evolution.

I said both of those things and I stand by them both. All scientific theories require outside verification and they have an abundance of it before they become theories. Darwin did not just sit and a desk and let his imagination run free. He observed the variations in the creatures on the Galapagos islands and derived a threory that would account for those variations. The theory has since been proved over and over by observations of fossils, etc.

When I say I have an intuitive undertanding of evolution, I mean I can understand it in a way that I don't understand, for example, quantum mechanics, even though I believe in quantum mechanics too. There is no conflict between knowing something is true and having a good grasp of why and how it is true.

There is no corresponding outside evidence for the Bible. When I ask for outside evidence, I get another Bible verse.

Were unicorns real? If so, they must have missed the boat!

[davidbrainfart]

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We are descended from neither Noah nor monkeys. But you, I, and the monkeys are all descended from a common ancestor which is neither monkey nor human.

You Darwinistas just crack me up with your constantly changing theories. What is the popular one today? That we evolved from playdough?

Darwinists never claimed that people were descended from monkeys. That is what people who don't know much about evolution think they are saying.

What I said is what all people who understand evolution are saying. The Bible will say God created Adam till the end of time. It is an unchanging document. But science will continue to develop as new evidence accumulates. I can pretty much guarantee, however, that it will never say we are descended from monkeys, only creatures that resemble them in some ways and us in others.

[davidbrainfart]

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I am interracially married!

Oh sweet JESUS I knew it! You're a damned race traitor! God hates that in ways you cannot even imagine!

So God is white? Something else the Bible does not quite say. I try to be a credit to my race. It is the white supremacists who are the true race traitors.

Show me a man who thinks race-mixing is not an abomination unto God, and I'll show you a man who hasn't read Ezra 9-10.

Ezra 10:3 Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

What the Hell does this have to do with interracial marriage? You are not reading this scripture literally. You are superimposing your white supremacist views on the Bible. Interracial marriage has not been against the law in this country since 1967.

If you have a dark-skinned wife and a bunch of little half-breed mongrels running around, the way to get right with God is to just abandon them. That's Godly advice straight from the Bible. Your marriage doesn't count anyway and your children are bastards as far as God is concerned. Shout Glory!

Mark Twain once said, "If science believes that, science is an ass." I say "If the Bible says that, the Bible is an ass."

Are you sure you are not part black? One in five "white" Americans is. Maybe your family should abandon you! Shout Glory!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Originally Posted by davidbain
Because presumbably, we are all descended from Noah.




The presumption that we are descended from Noah is on your part and on the part of the Bible. We are descended from neither Noah nor monkeys. But you, I, and the monkeys are all descended from a common ancestor which is neither monkey nor human.

You Darwinistas just crack me up with your constantly changing theories. What is the popular one today? That we evolved from playdough?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Originally Posted by davidbain
Because presumbably, we are all descended from Noah.

I thought you were insisting that you descended from monkeys?

The presumption that we are descended from Noah is on your part and on the part of the Bible. We are descended from neither Noah nor monkeys. But you, I, and the monkeys are all descended from a common ancestor which is neither monkey nor human.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Because presumbably, we are all descended from Noah.

I thought you were insisting that you descended from monkeys?

[davidbrainfart]

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I suppose Satan Worshippers could be just as evil as True Christians, however I have never met a Satan worshipper. I, of course, don't believe in Satan. I suppose an atheist could also be a Satan worshipper, but that sounds like a contradiction to me. I would think Satan worshippers would believe in Hell as the domain of their deity.

All atheists are Satan worshipers, of course!

Source, please.

Can I ask why you want to know where Noah is? And not any other person from Adam to Abraham?

Because presumbably, we are all descended from Noah. I did look over all the names in the geneologies and confirmed that they matched through King David, but the closest name I could find to "Noah" was "Noe." Same man, different spelling?

[MitzaLizalor]

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BTW where is Noah in this list?

HERE:
Luke 3:36 Which was the sonne of Cainan, which was the sonne of Arphaxad, which was the sonne of Sem, which was
the sonne of Noe, which was the sonne of Lamech ©1611

..the theory of evolution, requires outside verification.

I think I have a good intuitive understanding of evolution

Didn't someone say that evolution required "outside verification"? ..it was a long time ago, it's on the tip of my tongue - you know what that's like, when you're trying to remember something & you know who said it & you just can't quite think who it is? .. no, probably not:

I am not my own authority and I will continue to cut and paste any arguments that express what I have to say better than I can say it myself, also to lend authority to what I do have to say.

Besides, I would like to know Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawkins personally. I think they would like me personally, and even if they didn't neither of them would wish Hell on me.

Well you are on track for that introduction at present and I'm sure you would get a warm welcome, but Brother Redeemed Papist was - as his name suggests - redeemed and so it is possible that you will not be meeting them after all.. just..

Perhaps you could get someone to read you the book of Judges. It reveals the Majesty of God and might help you to understand His Perfect Love.

JUDGES 1
1 Now after the death of Ioshua, it came to passe, that the children of Israel asked the Lord, saying, Who shal goe vp for vs against the Canaanites first, to fight against them?
2 And the Lord sayd, Iudah shall goe vp: Behold, I haue deliuered the land into his hand.
3 And Iudah saide vnto Simeon his brother, Come vp with me into my lot, that wee may fight against the Canaanites, and I likewise will goe with thee into thy lot. So Simeon went with him.
4 And Iudah went vp, and the Lord deliuered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.
5 And they found Adoni-bezek in Bezek: and they fought against him, and they slew the Canaanites, and the Perizzites.
6 But Adoni-bezek fled, and they pursued after him, and caught him, and cut off his thumbes, and his great toes.
©1611 CONTINUE READING JUDGES HERE

Without that knowledge there is a good chance that you will be meeting Dawkins, at least.

[Thomas Dalton]

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I suppose Satan Worshippers could be just as evil as True Christians, however I have never met a Satan worshipper. I, of course, don't believe in Satan. I suppose an atheist could also be a Satan worshipper, but that sounds like a contradiction to me. I would think Satan worshippers would believe in Hell as the domain of their deity.

All atheists are Satan worshipers, of course!

Besides, I would like to know Richard Dawkins and Stephen Hawkins personally. I think they would like me personally, and even if they didn't neither of them would wish Hell on me.
I assume you are referring to the fact that Matthew's geneology of Jesus did not start from Adam, as I claimed. That was a brilliant setup! Of course I read it years ago but I have not to this day remembered all the names. BTW where is Noah in this list?

That's what I mean! You read an argument in a book. You copy it, without even checking whether or not it is correct. If you had done so, you would have noticed that Matthew's didn't start at Adam. Can I ask why you want to know where Noah is? And not any other person from Adam to Abraham?

What papers are you referring to that I have not read? If you tear them apart with Bible quotations or personal incredulity, I don't count that. The Bible, like the theory of evolution, requires outside verification.

I was referring to the fact that you failed to provide any scientific proof of gravity and evolution. We provided ample Biblical passages.

I think I have a good intuitive understanding of evolution, which I have not seen in any of the "True Christians" on this board. But I am not my own authority and I will continue to cut and paste any arguments that express what I have to say better than I can say it myself, also to lend authority to what I do have to say. I will continue to be a proud Parrot for science.

Then please, parrot better. For all our sakes.