[Zarachiel]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

What does it matter if they are "just animals" like you atheists claim and there is no eternal reward for treating people good? Sure in public you might pretend to be nice while running scams to steal money from widows and orphans, but with no reward for being God why would anyone do it?

Humans are animals, but we also have sentience and higher reasoning capabilities. And I never stated I was an atheist. I am an agnostic that is trying his best to have faith but is finding it difficult.

Hell gives meaning to life.

As do the people who come after me the time I have is precious to me because of the people I love.

If it wasn't for Hell our preachers would just be like any other cult leader; fleecing their brainwashed followers out of hearth and home, take sexual advantage of the more gullible members while indulging in the occasional murder. As you can see, not Christian pastor does that so God exists!

What about other branches of Christianity? They have hell too, but are they wrong?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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And I never stated I was an atheist. I am an agnostic that is trying his best to have faith but is finding it difficult.

You are both an atheist and an agnostic.

Atheist = has no belief in God

Agnostic = has no knowledge of God

Edit: Actually, you know there's a God, you just think you don't.

[Zarachiel]

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You are both an atheist and an agnostic.

Atheist = has no belief in God

Agnostic = has no knowledge of God

Atheism requires active nonbelief or an active rejection of God.
I am using the term agnostic in the sense that I am suspending judgement. I do not actively reject the idea of God, and I am also open to it.

[rob9191]

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Why is it that you cant just accept our way of living? If it is really that bothersome to you why don't you just kill us off. The old testament did say kill those who believe differently than you. Not to mention you religion is pagan based, so do you not like pagans either? Did you know your modern day description of hell comes from the poem Dante's inferno, not the bible?

[BelieverInGod]

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Why is it that you cant just accept our way of living? If it is really that bothersome to you why don't you just kill us off. The old testament did say kill those who believe differently than you. Not to mention you religion is pagan based, so do you not like pagans either? Did you know your modern day description of hell comes from the poem Dante's inferno, not the bible?

Really?

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Luke 16:20-26 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It would be so much easier to have these discussions with you people, if you actually had any idea what you were talking about.

[BelieverInGod]

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Oh a few others that I missed.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Mark 9:47-48 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

But sure, Milton made it all up, heck I'll bet according to you atheists, Hell isn't even MENTIONED in the Bible! dam uz kristins r stupid rnt wez.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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No those are my personal morals and those religions were created by man, not god. My morals are the morals of humans.

Whether you believe that the religion came from God or from man, you still got your morals from religion. So, how do you choose WHICH morals to pick from religions?

Do you give all your money to help the starving children in third world countries or are you only focused on ours and helping your self?

Of course not! I don't give a dime to feed starving children in third world countries. I'm a True Christian(tm)!

God knows everything and is all powerful. Therefore, He knows that millions of little children are starving to death, and more are dying of dysentery from dirty water (basically, shitting themselves to death). He doesn't do anything to fix it, so it must be His Will.

They are getting what God wants them to have. Who am I to interfere?

Atheism requires active nonbelief or an active rejection of God.
I am using the term agnostic in the sense that I am suspending judgement. I do not actively reject the idea of God, and I am also open to it.

You are misunderstanding the words you use. Allow me to explain for you:

Atheist and agnostic are on different "spectrums" of belief and knowledge.

"Atheist" is the opposite of "theist". A theist believes in a god or gods. An atheist does not. That is the only thing "atheist" means. It does not mean actively disbelieving, or wanting to eliminate religion; that latter is an "antitheist". An atheist does not have an active belief or have to take any particular stance other than not considering the available "evidence" adequate to substantiate claims of a superior being's existence.

Imagine someone who collects stamps, someone who doesn't collect stamps, and someone who actively rejects all stamps. The stampist, the a-stampist, and the anti-stampist.

"Agnostic" is the opposite of "gnostic". A gnostic believes that we can/do know the nature of God. An agnostic believes that we cannot/do not know the nature of God. (I've never heard of an anti-gnostic, but I imagine such a person would think we shouldn't try to figure out God's nature.)

Most atheists are "agnostic atheists". They don't actively believe in any god, and don't believe we have the ability to know the nature of any god should one exist.

Many "spiritual" people, like New Age twit Oprah, are "agnostic theists" who believe in and worship "something out there" but don't know what.

True Christians(tm) are "gnostic theists", because we know the nature of God (through the Bible) and know He exists.

This concludes your vocabulary lesson. Use your newfound knowledge well, Grasshopper. And learn to love Jesus before you die and spend eternity burning in God's Lake of Fire.

Why is it that you cant just accept our way of living?

Excuse me, who registered on the Christian church's private forum to attack and insult whom?

Hypocrite.

Did you know your modern day description of hell comes from the poem Dante's inferno, not the bible?

My congregation follows a strict Biblical depiction of Hell. Massive lake of fire created by God. Sinners cast into it. Burn forever, never die.

See Revelation. There it is.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Atheism requires active nonbelief or an active rejection of God.
I am using the term agnostic in the sense that I am suspending judgement. I do not actively reject the idea of God, and I am also open to it.

You are the lamest poster I have seen here for a long time.

Only a complete loser goes around the internet clarifying whether they are an atheist or an agnostic. You are a Satan worshiper. You hate God. What is the difference?

[Bobby-Joe]

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You are the lamest poster I have seen here for a long time.

Only a complete loser goes around the internet clarifying whether they are an atheist or an agnostic. You are a Satan worshiper. You hate God. What is the difference?

Probably an atheist likes to have butt sex and an agnostic likes to give butt sex. It's all butt sex but this is the kind of word games the unsaved play.

[rob9191]

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I didn't register here to attack Christians it is for the educational value. and i said description not mention pay attention to the words. i am an atheist that wont change and if I'm wrong and god is real that is OK with me cause i lived life the way i believe is right. im not going to try to change your beliefs that would be wasting my time. i live my way you live yours why is it so hard to just get along. And to be a Satan worshiper you still have to believe in a higher power, which i do not.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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I didn't register here to attack Christians it is for the educational value. and i said description not mention pay attention to the words. i am an atheist that wont change and if I'm wrong and god is real that is OK with me cause i lived life the way i believe is right. im not going to try to change your beliefs that would be wasting my time. i live my way you live yours why is it so hard to just get along. And to be a Satan worshiper you still have to believe in a higher power, which i do not.

If you are not here to find Salvation, please leave. God commands us to preach to you:

2nd Timothy 4:1-2
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

But if you will not listen please respect that God tells us to seperate ourselves from you:

II Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

[rob9191]

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And i understand that. i don't mind the preaching. As i said i came for the educational value, i came here to learn about your religion. since I've been here I've only been bashed on, there is no need for that at all. I respect what you believe and the only thing i ask is the same. And as i stated before when i die, if i face god I'll tell him my self that i didn't believe and I'll honestly accept what ever punishment may come.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

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And i understand that. i don't mind the preaching. As i said i came for the educational value, i came here to learn about your religion. since I've been here I've only been bashed on, there is no need for that at all. I respect what you believe and the only thing i ask is the same. And as i stated before when i die, if i face god I'll tell him my self that i didn't believe and I'll honestly accept what ever punishment may come.

Take a nice look at this Scripture. It tells you what you are and why you are being bashed on:

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

We have now established that you are a fool. This is not my opinion, this is the opinion of God. The bible tells us what happens to fools:

Proverbs 12:8
A man is praised according to his wisdom, but men with warped minds are despised.

If you are tired of getting bashed on then you should increase your wisdom. This is done quite easily - all you have to do is to read your King James Bible.

[rob9191]

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I refuse to read the King James bible, it is riddled with mistranslations. The original Hebrew word that described marry was Alma, and has sense been translated to the word virgin; but it's original meaning is young woman. And stating that none of us do any good is completely false. You should read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church it was slightly surprising.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I refuse to read the King James bible, it is riddled with mistranslations. The original Hebrew word that described marry was Alma, and has sense been translated to the word virgin; but it's original meaning is young woman. And stating that none of us do any good is completely false. You should read this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...3411728_Church it was slightly surprising.

The following Scripture is from the KJV:

Psalm 12:6-7
The words of the LORD [are] pure words: [as] silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Doesn't sound like there are mistranslations in the Holy King James Bible to me. And don't start with your 'circular reasoning'-mumbo-jumbo! Just take a look at this thread:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=51840