[WWJDnow]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

-At the time the Bible places the fall of the walls of Jericho, Jericho was an abandoned city.

It certainly was on the day after the battle.

There is no evidence of several Canaanite cities being destroyed in short succession as the book of Joshua describes.

Those cities were obliterated. I'd be surprised if you did find evidence.

There is no evidence of the United Monarchy, no evidence of an ancient capital in Jerusalem, no unified political force in western Palestine of the time, and definitely not an empire as described in the Old Testament. There is no evidence for the existence of Kings Saul, David or Solomon. No evidence of a temple in Jerusalem at this time.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The division of the land into Israel and Judah did not happen as the Bible describes, but dates back to the Egyptian rule of the land during the New Kingdom period.

The Egyptians never ruled the lands of Israel and Judea. That's just Muslim propaganda they spread because they're pissed off that God gave that land to the Jews.

The Bible describes Solomon ruling from the Euphrates to the Red Sea, which would have required vast armies and resources to conquer. But Jerusalem was a very small city at the time, and Judah was sparsely populated.

You don't need vast armies and resources if you have God on your side.

The conquests of David and Solomon are not mentioned in contemporary histories.

Sure they are--1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles cover these events in extraordinary detail.

The Books of Samuel are supposed to take place in the 11th century BCE, but they mention many things that were not around in that region until after the 8th century BCE, such as - late armor, domesticated camels, cavalry, iron picks and axes as common tools, sophisticated siege techniques, gargantuan armies, and the existence of Kushite troops.

You seem to think that the ancient Hebrews were cavemen. They weren't.

The Bible claims the Israelites were in Egypt for 400 (or 430) years. They grew from a population of 70 to approximately 2 million in this time period. By any stretch of the imagination, this seems impossible, but the Bible is even more confusing. Looking at the genealogies of the Bible, it claims the Isrealites were only in Egypt for TWO GENERATIONS! Moses is named as being the great-grandson of Levi, amongst the first generation to enter Egypt (as an adult). So the Isrealites must have lives that spanned hundreds of years, and each woman produced thousands and thousands and thousands of babies. Also, this would mean the Isrealites OUTNUMBERED the Egyptians, the people who supposedly were oppressing over them.

Wait a minute. Just because Moses was second generation doesn't mean that everyone was second generation. Are you atheists always this illogical? And what makes you think a minority can't enslave a majority for four centuries?

Genealogies also state that there were only three generations from the conquest of Canaan until the time of David, a time period the Bible describes as covering around four hundred years (the timelines tend to contradict one another).

The timelines may appear to contradict each other, because you don't know how to read the Bible properly. Give us details and I will respond. You have to realize that Jews lived a lot longer back then than they do now, especially the Jews in Chief like Moses and David.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

Decapolis, Greek for "Ten Cities", was a collection of Hellenized towns. Gadara and Gerasa were both part of the Decapolis. If they were in fact the same place, with different names, that would mean there would only be 9 cities...

Let's just ignore for a brief moment you are making up things that are not in the Bible and just look at what you are saying here.

How would Gadara and Gerasa being two different names for one city have any relation to how many cities there are in Decapolis? For all we know there could have been 10 actual cities each having 7 different names. Making it 10 cities and 70 names. See how silly and wrong your line of reasoning is?

As usual you are seeing problems when there are none. Just stop wasting time on making things up and start looking for a husband to take care of you. And please ask your husband to be to keep you away from the Internet!

Genesis 3:16 "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

A lot of drivel only a commie atheist would spew

There is proof of King Solomon and his mines!

(CNN) -- Archaeologists believe a desert site in Jordan may contain the ruins of the elusive King Solomon's Mines.

Researchers using carbon dating techniques at Khirbat en-Nahas in southern Jordan discovered that copper production took place there around the time King Solomon is said to have ruled the Israelites.

The research findings were reported in this week's issue of the journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which came out Monday.

King Solomon is known in the Old Testament for his wisdom and wealth and for building the First Temple in Jerusalem.

King Solomon's Mines found

Your feeble attempts to discredit God and lie to all of us are moot.

You still have time to follow the Lord:

Matthew 19:27-28

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Quit being a nay-sayer and become a rejoicing prayer!

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

It certainly was on the day after the battle.

And the day of the battle, and the two hundred years preceding it.

Those cities were obliterated. I'd be surprised if you did find evidence.

Oh we have evidence for all of those cities existing, just not for the Bible's story. Most of the cities were uninhabited at the time the story takes place, and the one's that show signs of destruction were all destroyed in different centuries.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

No, but we actually do know quite a lot about Israel at this time because of much archeological work done there. The fact is none of what we know of that era fits what the Bible describes.

The Egyptians never ruled the lands of Israel and Judea. That's just Muslim propaganda they spread because they're pissed off that God gave that land to the Jews.

Oh dear, someone needs a history lesson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kingdom

You don't need vast armies and resources if you have God on your side.

Perhaps not, but the Bible actually records vast armies and resources

Sure they are--1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles cover these events in extraordinary detail.

Written several centuries after the fact and filled with errors and anachronisms.

You seem to think that the ancient Hebrews were cavemen. They weren't.

No, but those things I mentioned weren't around in the region until after the 8th century BCE, which is around the time the story was written.

The timelines may appear to contradict each other, because you don't know how to read the Bible properly. Give us details and I will respond. You have to realize that Jews lived a lot longer back then than they do now, especially the Jews in Chief like Moses and David.

Contradictions in the chronology of the Bible summarized by a chart


That guy does a pretty good job at it.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

There is proof of King Solomon and his mines!



King Solomon's Mines found

Your feeble attempts to discredit God and lie to all of us are moot.

You still have time to follow the Lord:

Matthew 19:27-28

Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


Quit being a nay-sayer and become a rejoicing prayer!

YIC,

Mrs.P.Wintersnow.

I'm sorry, a copper production site does NOT = King Solomon's Mines. (Does anything in the Bible even talk about Solomon having mines, I thought that was from an Allan Quatermain novel...)

Besides, the location of this site would have been in Ancient EDOM, not Israel.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

I'm sorry, a copper production site does NOT = King Solomon's Mines. (Does anything in the Bible even talk about Solomon having mines, I thought that was from an Allan Quatermain novel...)

Besides, the location of this site would have been in Ancient EDOM, not Israel.

You don't believe The Bible, you don't believe CNN... do you only believe the information you get from The Daily Kos or some other commie trash rag?

There is no hope for you at all and BTW, just something else..

Dalmanutha does exist:

Dalmanutha: a place on the west of the Sea of Galilee, mentioned only in Mark 8:10



In the parallel passage it is said that Christ came “into the borders of Magdala” Matt. 15:39.

It is plain, then, that Dalmanutha was near Magdala, which was probably the Greek name of one of the many Migdols (i.e., watch-towers) on the western side of the lake of Gennesaret.

It has been identified in the ruins of a village about a mile from Magdala, in the little open valley of 'Ain-el-Barideh, “the cold fountain,” called el-Mejdel, possibly the “Migdal-el” of Josh. 19:38.

Here's a picture to prove it:



There would not be a stone with the word Dalmanutha on it if it didn't.

YAIC (Yours ALWAYS in Christ)

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

You don't believe The Bible, you don't believe CNN... do you only believe the information you get from The Daily Kos or some other commie trash rag?

I didn't say I don't believe that there really was a copper mine found. I doubt why exactly this should be considered "King Solomon's Mines"
(an invention of pop culture, not the Bible...), especially since it's not in the country Solomon ruled.

Dalmanutha does exist:

Dalmanutha: a place on the west of the Sea of Galilee, mentioned only in Mark 8:10



In the parallel passage it is said that Christ came “into the borders of Magdala” Matt. 15:39.

It is plain, then, that Dalmanutha was near Magdala, which was probably the Greek name of one of the many Migdols (i.e., watch-towers) on the western side of the lake of Gennesaret.

It has been identified in the ruins of a village about a mile from Magdala, in the little open valley of 'Ain-el-Barideh, “the cold fountain,” called el-Mejdel, possibly the “Migdal-el” of Josh. 19:38.

Here's a picture to prove it:



There would not be a stone with the word Dalmanutha on it if it didn't.

YAIC (Yours ALWAYS in Christ)

Mrs.P.Wintersnow

While your ability to copy old encyclopedia articles in impressive, let me remind you the only reason anyone believes Dalmanutha exists is because the Bible mentions the name. Every source I could find says its either unidentified, or associate it with Magdala just because. Matthew, who wrote after Mark, actually probably changed the name to Magdala because he knew Dalmanutha did not exist. I looked up the town "el-Mejdel", and found that it actually is modern-day Magdala, not a small town near Magdala like you claimed.

And may I ask where you got that picture from? Because that writing looks pretty modern to me...

[WWJDnow]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

And the day of the battle, and the two hundred years preceding it.

Has anyone searched every square inch of the ground in Israel to locate the city? I didn't think so.

Oh we have evidence for all of those cities existing, just not for the Bible's story. Most of the cities were uninhabited at the time the story takes place, and the one's that show signs of destruction were all destroyed in different centuries.

Have you ever seen what happens when God decides to obliterate a city? I didn't think so.

No, but we actually do know quite a lot about Israel at this time because of much archeological work done there. The fact is none of what we know of that era fits what the Bible describes.

The Devil removed the real archaeological evidence and planted some false evidence.

Oh dear, someone needs a history lesson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Kingdom

If I want to learn history, my first step isn't going to be going to Wiccapedia.

Perhaps not, but the Bible actually records vast armies and resources

God brought forth the bounty of the land for his beloved people Israel. It's just a shame that they repaid Him by killing Jesus.

Written several centuries after the fact and filled with errors and anachronisms.

There aren't many spiders discussed in the Bible.

No, but those things I mentioned weren't around in the region until after the 8th century BCE, which is around the time the story was written.

How do you know? Just because some egghead atheist in a laboratory says he has "scientific" proof?

Contradictions in the chronology of the Bible summarized by a chart

That guy does a pretty good job at it.

The only way to clear things up is to take them one at a time. You like to discuss 90 different things in one post, which is your prerogative, since we are, after all, a Church that believes in freedom of speech, but it doesn't lead to a profitable discussion. If you want to pick your favorite so-called contradiction in the Bible, I will be happy to explain to you why it is not a contradiction at all, then we can move on to the next one, etc.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

-Hebrew as a written language did not exist in the times of Moses. Therefore, it is impossible he wrote the Pentateuch, unless you contend he wrote it originally in another alphabet, for which there is no evidence.

-The Bible mentions a tribe called the Hittites, of which there is no evidence of their existence. There was a kingdom called Hatti, which some claim is the Biblical Hittites, but the two groups have nothing in common. The Hatti people were a large, powerful kingdom from TURKEY, and never had anything to do with Israel. The Bible shows the Hittites as being a tribe in Canaan, one of the groups destroyed by Joshua and surviving as a small minority in the land there after. There is no evidence for this. The Hittites in the Bible also all have Hebrew sounding names, not Antanolian names like the people from Hatti.

-The Bible describes the city of Nineveh being very large, it took three days to walk around it. That would make it about a hundred times larger than the real city of Nineveh.

-At the end of the Gospel of Luke, it says Jesus ascended into heaven the same day he first appeared resurrected to the Disciples. At the beginning of Acts, it says Jesus ascended after forty days.

-Genesis 6 says their was a widespread race of half-angels, half-human giants that wandered the ancient world. There is no archeological evidence of this (and it should be noted, the word giant in the KJV is a mistranslation, but that's another story...)

-In Genesis, Cain and his wife have a son named Enoch. However, at this point in history, there were only three people in the world. Where did his wife come from?

-The book of Joshua records the Israelites obliterating many places and peoples, that then are still around in the book of Judges.

-The gospels record two thieves crucified with Jesus. Thieves were not punished with crucifixion by the Romans.

-The Bible records several people being near Jesus on the cross, even talking to him. The Romans actually did not allow anyone to approach those being crucified.

-Hosea 5:13 tells us the Assyrian King at that time was named Jareb. There was never an Assyrian king by that name, and the name of the king who did rule at that time was Tiglath-Pileser the third.

-Daniel 5:30-31 says that Darius the Median took over the Babylon empire, but it was Cyrus of Persia who overthrew the Babylonian Empire. While there is a Darius the first in history, there is no mention of a Darius of Median anywhere.

-Esther 1:9 tells us Vashti was queen of Persia at the time the story occures, but the queen at this time was actually Amestris, and there never was a queen of Persia named Vashti. Vashti was the name of an Elamite goddess. Most probably that is the origin of the name in this story.



-Jeremiah 29:10 Tells us the Babylonian Exile will last 70 years. 2nd Chronicles 36:21 tells us that this came about. However, the elapsed time from the destruction of the temple (beginning of the exile) in 586 B.C., to the return of the Israelites to their promised land after Cyrus overthrew the Babylonian Empire in 538 B.C. was 48 years, and not 70.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

Has anyone searched every square inch of the ground in Israel to locate the city? I didn't think so.

Oh no, we know exactly where Jericho is. But it was an abandoned city at the time of the book of Joshua.

Have you ever seen what happens when God decides to obliterate a city? I didn't think so.

So when God decides to obliterate a city, he does it by making the cities abandoned at the time of destruction, and then lies that it was inhabited in the Bible??? And he makes all the cities be destroyed at different times, and then lies in the Bible it happened in a short period of time?

The Devil removed the real archaeological evidence and planted some false evidence.

Do you have Scripture to back that up

God brought forth the bounty of the land for his beloved people Israel. It's just a shame that they repaid Him by killing Jesus.

How miraculous, providing armies that vastly outnumbered the population of the country at the time.

There aren't many spiders discussed in the Bible.

Main Entry: anach·ro·nism
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈna-krə-ˌni-zəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from Middle Greek anachronismos, from anachronizesthai to be an anachronism, from Late Greek anachronizein to be late, from Greek ana- + chronos time
Date: 1617
1 : an error in chronology; especially : a chronological misplacing of persons, events, objects, or customs in regard to each other
2 : a person or a thing that is chronologically out of place; especially : one from a former age that is incongruous in the present
3 : the state or condition of being chronologically out of place
— anach·ro·nis·tic \ə-ˌna-krə-ˈnis-tik\ also ana·chron·ic \ˌa-nə-ˈkrä-nik\ adjective
— anach·ro·nis·ti·cal·ly \ə-ˌna-krə-ˈnis-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
— anach·ro·nous \ə-ˈna-krə-nəs\ adjective
— anach·ro·nous·ly adverb

How do you know? Just because some egghead atheist in a laboratory says he has "scientific" proof?

If you'd like to provide me some (non-biblical) proof, go right ahead.

The only way to clear things up is to take them one at a time. You like to discuss 90 different things in one post, which is your prerogative, since we are, after all, a Church that believes in freedom of speech, but it doesn't lead to a profitable discussion. If you want to pick your favorite so-called contradiction in the Bible, I will be happy to explain to you why it is not a contradiction at all, then we can move on to the next one, etc.

Alright, let's take it one step at a time then.

"Then YAHWEH said to Abram, "Know of a surety that your descendants will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs, and will be slaves there, and they will be oppressed for four hundred years." Genesis 15:13



"The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, on that very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt." Exodus 12:40

So which is it? 400 years or 430? Compare also Acts 7:6 and Galatians 3:17.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

The Gospels tell the story of a herd of possessed pigs in the town of Gedara, who run off a cliff and into the sea. Gedara is thirty miles from any sea.

Sadly, when people are intent on suicide, there is very little you can actually do to save them. Even when locked in a padded cell, they will sometimes find ways to hang themselves, and worse.

These poor creatures were obviously in that "place" where they felt they were out of options. If anything, running such a long distance may have "worked off" some of the anxiety before their final leap.

Don't blame yourself.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible

-In Acts 5, the Pharisee Gamaliel talks about Theudas' revolt as a past event. This speech took place around 35-40 CE, but the revolt did not take place until 47 CE. Also, he says that this revolt was followed by the revolt of Judas the Galilean, but that took place in 6 CE!

-The story of Noah's Ark is a mythologizing of a small-scale flood, where the Sumerian king commandeered a ship full of commercial goods, landed safely on a hilltop, and then offered a sacrifice to his god.

-There were never any Jews enslaved in Egypt. There is no evidence of a large Jewish nation wandering through the desert for forty years.

-The Bible claims in the story of Babel (taking place around 2400 BCE), that everyone on earth lived in the same community and spoke the same language. But by this point in history, humanity was spread across the world in separate cultures and there was a wide array of tongues. Languages did not appear spontaneously, but developed over a long time.

-Genesis has Abraham going to the city of Dan, but according to Judges, the city was not called that until the time of the Judges. Dan, who the city is named after, was not even born yet in Abraham's time. This also proves Moses could not have written Genesis, the Pentateuch was not a contemporary document.

-Abraham is said to go to the land of the Philistines, in Canaan but the Philistines did not arrive in Canaan until 1200 BCE, 800 years after Abraham's time.

-The story of Moses' birth is stolen from that of Sargon, an Akkadian monarch from the 3rd millennium BCE.

-The Book of Joshua says Jericho will lay in ruins forever and anyone who tries to rebuild it will be cursed by God. The city of Jericho was rebuilt and is still standing today.

-Joshua 8:28 says nobody would ever occupy the city of Ai again, but Nehemiah 7:32 lists it as an inhabited city during the time of the Babylonian captivity.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Historical Errors in the Bible