[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Can I play Namco Museum on it?

Sorry, but jap games don't work on the LBC PS3.

[The new guy]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

We have given away tens of thousands of these, but now the new deal is the WII. We still have a few PS3s left. Get yours before the manufacturer goes out of business!

Can I play Namco Museum on it?

[Witch Hammer]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

My young protégé, Rico, has a punk cousin who refuses to accept Christ for anything less than a PS4 GTA Bundle...
The gangly little twit is of the mulatto persuasion, and may be beyond Salvation anyhow, but it couldn't hurt to up the ante, could it?

[Thomas Taylor]

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No, he hasn't. He has just waffled while quoting some abstract verses. At no stage has he explained why and how you would hate and honour your parents simultaneously.

This really is not that hard. You cannot HATE and HONOUR your parents concurrently. Hate and honour are two opposing concepts. Do you know what it means to hate someone, and to honour someone? They do not go hand in hand. Is English your first language?

If you think you can, explain how it is possible to do both simultaneously, providing some real examples of when this would happen.






Oh the irony. You seem utterly confused. First you say you don't see any contradiction, then you state that there was some contradiction (until apparently Alex showed you the light).

I didn't believe you needed someone else to explain to you how absolute and complete the following passage is:

Ephesians 6:2 - Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)

Anything opposite to this (such as hating your parents) is a contradiciton. Once again, you have failed to explain how you can honour and respect your parents and hate them at the same time.

I think you fail to grasp what hate entails exactly. You seem confused.

Let me provide another quote:

Psalms 127:3- Lo, children [are] an heritage of the LORD: [and] the fruit of the womb [is his] reward.

Children here are heralded as a blessing from Jesus to the parents. Why would this church encourage children to distance themselves from their parents?



Because this is the conclusion a person gets to following a logical line of reasoning.

Afterall, it's not like the donation page says "Ask your parents permission to make a payment to the baptist church", which of course would be the logical and responsibile advice to give.

Do you not understand logical reasoning? Because if the child needs to explain to their parents where they got a PS3 from, it means the parents do not know anything of a donation. If they did know of the donation, they would also know about the promised PS3.

Can you explain to me what is confusing here? Why are you struggling with simple English and simple logic?



Bye bye.

Friend, the actual verse you are looking for is as follows:

Exodus 20:12

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee

The word honour has been misinterpreted by you. Honour means to respect, fulfill an obligation or the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right.

You can hate someone but at the same time respect them. I hope this clears things up for you.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

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Alex already explained how it works with the other parts.

No, he hasn't. He has just waffled while quoting some abstract verses. At no stage has he explained why and how you would hate and honour your parents simultaneously.

This really is not that hard. You cannot HATE and HONOUR your parents concurrently. Hate and honour are two opposing concepts. Do you know what it means to hate someone, and to honour someone? They do not go hand in hand. Is English your first language?

If you think you can, explain how it is possible to do both simultaneously, providing some real examples of when this would happen.

I don't see any contradiction.

I was wondering myself about the apparent contradiction

Oh the irony. You seem utterly confused. First you say you don't see any contradiction, then you state that there was some contradiction (until apparently Alex showed you the light).

I didn't believe you needed someone else to explain to you how absolute and complete the following passage is:

Ephesians 6:2 - Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)

Anything opposite to this (such as hating your parents) is a contradiciton. Once again, you have failed to explain how you can honour and respect your parents and hate them at the same time.

I think you fail to grasp what hate entails exactly. You seem confused.

Let me provide another quote:

Psalms 127:3- Lo, children [are] an heritage of the LORD: [and] the fruit of the womb [is his] reward.

Children here are heralded as a blessing from Jesus to the parents. Why would this church encourage children to distance themselves from their parents?

Finally, "maybe" the parents know what the kids are doing doesn't work for you, but all of your arguments are based on the absolute certainty that they do NOT know what the kids are up to, and that the kids are lying and stealing. This doesn't seem to bother you.

Because this is the conclusion a person gets to following a logical line of reasoning.

Afterall, it's not like the donation page says "Ask your parents permission to make a payment to the baptist church", which of course would be the logical and responsibile advice to give.

Do you not understand logical reasoning? Because if the child needs to explain to their parents where they got a PS3 from, it means the parents do not know anything of a donation. If they did know of the donation, they would also know about the promised PS3.

Can you explain to me what is confusing here? Why are you struggling with simple English and simple logic?

You have grown tiresome. I'm moving on to other threads.

Bye bye.

[Midge Murphy]

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Of course I did not deny anything of Jesus. I just told you to read the book of Luke. Alex already explained how it works with the other parts. I don't see any contradiction.

In fact, I have to say, that I do not know the Bible as well as Alex. I was wondering myself about the apparent contradiction, but then I simply read the verses quoted and Alex's interpretation of them. It was all clear to me after that. Thank you Alex for clearing that up for me. You are so wise.

Of course, I also read 2 Timothy 3:16, so the very notion of any contradiction in the Bible is absolutely excluded. You just don't understand the Bible properly. Matthew 13:23 comes to mind "But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." What Jesus means there is that when you try to explain something to someone who is too stupid to understand it, they won't get anywhere. Explaining the Bible to you is like reading the tax code to a housecat. None of it bears repeating.

Perhaps you just don't want to understand it. This is not good: Romans 2:5 applies to you, Sporky. "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God." This means stubborn and obstinate people go to Hell.

Finally, "maybe" the parents know what the kids are doing doesn't work for you, but all of your arguments are based on the absolute certainty that they do NOT know what the kids are up to, and that the kids are lying and stealing. This doesn't seem to bother you.

You have grown tiresome. I'm moving on to other threads.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

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Jesus is pretty clear in Matthew and Luke, Spugly. You have to read Luke 14, where Jesus tells you to do that.

Jesus also tells us to honour thy parents. Whats your point? Or are you DENYING the words of Jesus?

The only thing you're proving to do is highlight how there is huge contradiction.

You cannot honour your parents if you hate them. This makes no sense whatsoever.

Regardless, Jesus clearly states to honour and respect your parents.

This "church" encourages children to hate their parents, which in turn encourages them to distance themselves from their parents. This is not in line with what Jesus teachers.

Maybe the parents are agree, but they're busy.

Maybe. Or maybe not. Since when is "maybe" fact of anything?

How about why the child would need to explain to his/her parents as to where the PS3 came from? If the parents have given permission for this donation, they will be well aware of the fact a PS3 would be on the way.

Come now, you can do better than this. Surely. This is becoming disappointing.

God loves them. He thinks they're cool. 2 Kings 4:39, Jonah 4:6. That you disagree is no surprise, sadly.

Thats nice. God also loves those who do not steal, lie and those who honour thy parents.

[Midge Murphy]

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Please tell me, how you can hate your parents, yet still honour them?

Jesus is pretty clear in Matthew and Luke, Spugly. You have to read Luke 14, where Jesus tells you to do that.

After all, if the child had permission, then the child would not need help from the pastors on how to use it. On top of this, the child would not need to explain to their parents where their new PS3 came from, if the parents had already given their permisison for the child to make their donation.

Maybe the parents are agree, but they're busy.

Thanks, but i'm not a fan of pumpkins!

God loves them. He thinks they're cool. 2 Kings 4:39, Jonah 4:6. That you disagree is no surprise, sadly.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

Your quotes:

Matthew 15:4 - For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Nothing in the offer says "curse your parents."

Ephesians 6:1 - Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Nothing in the offer says to disobey any instruction from your parents.

Ephesians 6:2 - Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise) You can honor your parents while tithing to the church, which demonstrates a superior love for Christ, as Alex has pointed out.

So, we both agree the scriptures clearly state to honour your parents.

Please tell me, how you can hate your parents, yet still honour them? Do you even know what it consists of to honour your parents?

There is no contradiction in the Bible. Just between the Bible and what you says is says (and you only read the parts you like) and between the Bible and your complete mischaracterization of the PS3 offer, which doesn't say any of the things you say it says.

Ahh yes, my mischaracterization. Indeed. I must have misinterpreted the part where the page encouraged children to hate their parents (why, exactly? What would that achieve?), and i also must have mischaraterized the whole part where the child is encouraged to break the law of the land by using a credit card without any due permission from the owner.

After all, if the child had permission, then the child would not need help from the pastors on how to use it. On top of this, the child would not need to explain to their parents where their new PS3 came from, if the parents had already given their permisison for the child to make their donation.

Its all rather convenient how you've left that out in your previous post.

Here's a recipe pumpkin soup that I thought you would like:

Heat 2 tbsp olive oil in a large saucepan, then gently cook 2 finely chopped onions for 5 mins, until soft but not coloured. Add 2 lbs peeled, deseeded and chopped pumpkin or squash to the pan, then carry on cooking for 8-10 mins, stirring occasionally until it starts to soften and turn golden. Pour 4 cups of vegetable stock into the pan, then season with salt and pepper. Bring to the boil, then simmer for 10 mins until the squash is very soft. Pour the half-pint of double cream into the pan, bring back to the boil, then purée with a hand blender. For an extra-velvety consistency you can now push the soup through a fine sieve into another pan. The soup can now be frozen for up to 2 months. While the soup is cooking, slice the crusts from 4 slices of wholemeal seed bread, then cut the bread into small croutons. Heat the remaining 2 tbsp olive oil in a frying pan, then fry the bread until it starts to become crisp. Add a handful of pumpkin seeds to the pan, then cook for a few mins more until they are toasted. These can be made a day ahead and stored in an airtight container. Reheat the soup if needed, taste for seasoning, then serve scattered with croutons and seeds and drizzled with more olive oil, if you want.

Thanks, but i'm not a fan of pumpkins!

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

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I find your posts humourous and entertaining. Let us continue.

You are reading a lot into something that just isn't there. It never uses the word "lie."

Indeed, it doesn't use this particular word, because that would be plain ridiculous.

Why would a child need to explain to their parents where their PS3 came from, if the parents have already given their permission for the child to make a donation?

Come on now Alex...i have faith in you that you can think this one through!

Indeed, a child would need to explain to their parents where their new PS3 came from because the parents would not be aware of the donation in the first place! Ta-daaaa! And there we have it - theft, in the law of the land.

It took you a while, and i had to walk you there, but you got there. Eventually. Congratulations.

Yes.

Very well:

Proverbs 19:9 - A false witness shall not be unpunished, and [he that] speaketh lies shall perish.

Psalms 101:7 - He that worketh deceit shall not dwell within my house: he that telleth lies shall not tarry in my sight.

Proverbs 24:28 - Be not a witness against thy neighbour without cause; and deceive [not] with thy lips.

James 3:14 - But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

Proverbs 6:16 - 6:19 - These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

I have to say, i'm rather surprised that you wouldn't know that lying is a sin, Alex.

You are so mean! There is no reason to call names.

Now now. Lets not cry wolf Alex, after you've been calling me names across different threads for an extended period of time. No one likes a cry baby

Yes, compared to your love of Jesus. That's what the Bible says. I didn't write it. Complain to God if you don't like it.

Wrong. Just plain lies or ignorance here. I have quoted where it says to respect and honour thy parents. There is no debate to be had. Don't like it? Complain to your God...he is the one who told you to honour and respect your parents. The instructions of this church, which is to hate you parents, is borderline blasphemous.

Show me where I said you said it.

So why are you harping on about it? What is the point of bringing up random points? It doesn't alter what i've said.

No, it refers to the feeling you must have compared to your love for Jesus. Honor your parents generally, but when it comes to Jesus, follow the words of Jesus in Matthew and Mark and hate them by comparison.

So honour your parents, respect them, and then hate them also? And you're saying there is no contradiction here? At least make this talk interesting and fun, and not just ridiculous. You can do better.

[Midge Murphy]

Re: ACCEPT JESUS AND GET A FREE PS3!

....I have used your own scriptures, and have shown the acts of this Church at eliciting donations to be against the teachings of Christ.

Your quotes:

Matthew 15:4 - For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. Nothing in the offer says "curse your parents."

Ephesians 6:1 - Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Nothing in the offer says to disobey any instruction from your parents.

Ephesians 6:2 - Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise) You can honor your parents while tithing to the church, which demonstrates a superior love for Christ, as Alex has pointed out.

It would seem there is a contradiction in your own bible, which of course does not make sense. How can there be a contradiction? How can you hate your father and mother, if also, it is warned that should you curse your parents, you will die. It has also been commanded to honour your parents. Hmmm.

There is no contradiction in the Bible. Just between the Bible and what you says is says (and you only read the parts you like) and between the Bible and your complete mischaracterization of the PS3 offer, which doesn't say any of the things you say it says.

*** It never says to curse or to disobey or to lie or to steal. It just gives helpful instructions on how to make a proper donation. ***

I have read posts where you ask people to quote the bible as proof when they make a claim against the way you behave or act.

I have done so, and yet you are blind or simply unable to reason with your own scriptures.

I think we just understand them better than you do.

Here's a recipe pumpkin soup that I thought you would like:

Heat 2 tbsp olive oil in a large saucepan, then gently cook 2 finely chopped onions for 5 mins, until soft but not coloured. Add 2 lbs peeled, deseeded and chopped pumpkin or squash to the pan, then carry on cooking for 8-10 mins, stirring occasionally until it starts to soften and turn golden. Pour 4 cups of vegetable stock into the pan, then season with salt and pepper. Bring to the boil, then simmer for 10 mins until the squash is very soft. Pour the half-pint of double cream into the pan, bring back to the boil, then purée with a hand blender. For an extra-velvety consistency you can now push the soup through a fine sieve into another pan. The soup can now be frozen for up to 2 months. While the soup is cooking, slice the crusts from 4 slices of wholemeal seed bread, then cut the bread into small croutons. Heat the remaining 2 tbsp olive oil in a frying pan, then fry the bread until it starts to become crisp. Add a handful of pumpkin seeds to the pan, then cook for a few mins more until they are toasted. These can be made a day ahead and stored in an airtight container. Reheat the soup if needed, taste for seasoning, then serve scattered with croutons and seeds and drizzled with more olive oil, if you want.

DEELISHOUS!

[ExGay Alex]

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Why would any of the pastors here need to help a child use a credit card if the child has permission from his/her parents? If the child had permission, the parents themselves would help the child use a credit card or use daddy's checks.

Why would the child need to LIE to their parents about where their new PlayStation came from if the parents already know and gave permission for their child to make a donation?

You are reading a lot into something that just isn't there. It never uses the word "lie."

Shall i quote your bible to show how this is a sin also?

Yes.

Are you a retard of some sorts who isn't able to decipher things?

You are so mean! There is no reason to call names.

And yet that donation page is encouraging children to hate their parents. Why? Is loving Jesus and hating your parents mutually inclusive? Can you only love Jesus if you hate your parents?

Yes, compared to your love of Jesus. That's what the Bible says. I didn't write it. Complain to God if you don't like it.

Are you not able to engage your brain at all ExGay Alex? Aren't you able to see past your retarded nature?

When Jesus commands you to love your parents and respect them, and this "church" encourages you to hate them, i believe it is a contradiction. Do you know what the word contradiction means?

Here you are mean, again.

Did i say NOT to love Jesus more than your parents? Can you show me where i said this?

Show me where I said you said it.

I'm pointing out that to encourage children to hate their parents is in direct conflict with Jesus' command which is to respect your parents. Indeed, to curse your parents brings death to you, as stated in your bible.

No, it refers to the feeling you must have compared to your love for Jesus. Honor your parents generally, but when it comes to Jesus, follow the words of Jesus in Matthew and Mark and hate them by comparison.

Even retarded people will be able to see the contradiction.

We don't tolerate casting cruelty towards the mentally handicapped. Plus there is no contradiction.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

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First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Friend, you're right. This is not a debate.

I have quoted you from your own bible. I have used your own scriptures, and have shown the acts of this Church at eliciting donations to be against the teachings of Christ.

I have read posts where you ask people to quote the bible as proof when they make a claim against the way you behave or act.

I have done so, and yet you are blind or simply unable to reason with your own scriptures.

Why are you walking away from the truth? Hypocrisy must be ousted.

[James Hutchins]

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First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Spoogey (Quarantined)]

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Splotchy, you have an ugly tendency to take a perfectly reasonable position, recast it as an extreme, put words in other people's mouths, and then point and say "SEE??!! An extremist!" I re-read the original post. It tells children how to make a donation, but at no point does it say "without your parents' permission." You made this whole thing up.

Wrong.

2. Find one of your Mom or Dad's credit cards (a blank check is even better!)

3. Call our church office and we will provide you with simple instructions on how to use your parents' credit card to charge a love offering over the phone. Don't worry if you can't find a credit card. We can teach you how to use one of your daddy's checks to do an automatic draft withdrawal (which will get you free shipping and an extra game disk!)

Please note: If your parents ask you where you got your new PlayStation 3, just tell them that your Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, delivered it to you via the U.S. Postal Service in exchange for your soul.

Why would any of the pastors here need to help a child use a credit card if the child has permission from his/her parents? If the child had permission, the parents themselves would help the child use a credit card or use daddy's checks.

Why would the child need to LIE to their parents about where their new PlayStation came from if the parents already know and gave permission for their child to make a donation?

In fact, why would the church encourage children to lie to their parents? Shall i quote your bible to show how this is a sin also?

Are you a retard of some sorts who isn't able to decipher things?

There is absolutely no contradiction in the Bible. Honor thy father and mother is a commandment of God, and yes children should do that.

And yet that donation page is encouraging children to hate their parents. Why? Is loving Jesus and hating your parents mutually inclusive? Can you only love Jesus if you hate your parents?

Are you not able to engage your brain at all Gay Alex? Aren't you able to see past your retarded nature?

When Jesus commands you to love your parents and respect them, and this "church" encourages you to hate them, i believe it is a contradiction. Do you know what the word contradiction means?

HOWEVER, Lord Jesus tells us that we must STILL love Jesus MORE than our own parents, and this is perfectly reasonable since our parents did not die for more than two whole days for our sins. This is in Matthew 10:37.

Did i say NOT to love Jesus more than your parents? Can you show me where i said this?

I'm pointing out that to encourage children to hate their parents is in direct conflict with Jesus' command which is to respect your parents. Indeed, to curse your parents brings death to you, as stated in your bible.

Even retarded people will be able to see the contradiction.


It was a nice attempt at countering my statements, but you failed. Miserably.

Try again.