[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God does not exist..

Can you perhaps tell me more about this "Prime Mover argument", or just post a link where I can read more about it.. It's kind of unfamiliar to me.. After all, I'm here to learn, and take all perspectives in moderation..

Here it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

1. Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2. Nothing finite and dependent (contingent) can cause itself.
3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4. Therefore, there must be a first cause; or, there must be something that is not an effect.

That first cause must be God. Basically that we exist proves God exists.

[Dhul Fiqaar]

Re: God does not exist..

Praise Allah, Mister Bobby-Joe.

It is a great help to the unbelievers when it is posted the information of the argument. But be careful that the infidel does not learn more than Allah would wish him to know.

These infidel may not have the cranium equipment for to use the information, but now he has the leg upon the donkey.

I do not think it will help him with Mister Jack's ontological argument however. That is one that is make a poor fellow's head turn around like a child's spinning-top.

Allah is great, merciful.

Dhul Fiqaar

[Yellow Rose]

Re: God does not exist..

If you ever got the chance to lay eyes on me boy, you would know there has to be one true God.

[Juliette]

Re: God does not exist..

Very interesting thread that learned me a lot. Thank you Mr OEJ.

Still, the premisses of this thread are wrong.

Let me explain.

The people of Landover believe that God exists and the Holy (KJV 1611) Bible is His word. Fair enough.

Now comes Mr Decadence saying God doesn't exist according to him and demanding the people of Landover to prove him wrong.

Giving this it's up to Mr Decadence to come with some evidence of his statement on this Landover Forum. Seems logical to me.

Or did I miss something?

[Justin Bill]

Re: God does not exist..

Prove me wrong!

From a landover perspective, you would need to prove us, landoverians wrong, because we know that we are right.

This comes to one important technique for spreading the word of the lord that the unitard thread missed-- thed catch-22

see, we know that God exists because The king james 1611 bible tells us this.

How do we know that the bible was written by the Lord?

because it tells us in the bible that it was written by the Lord.

How do we know God exists? because we have the Bible, which was written by God

See, perfect Christian LoGic.

I hope this clears up any doubts you have about the existence of God and the Truth of the Bible.

Also, just to remind other Landover Baptists think this guy has an argument, that it is a sin to Question the Bible, because the Bible has given us all the answers we need.

end of story,

[LyingDingDong]

Re: God does not exist..

The universe had to start somewhere. Are you saying that, since God did not create it, it just popped out of nothing? (That's a violation of thermodynamics, incidentally, and as such a ticketable offense in Poughkeepsie.)

~~ OEJ

Matter and energy is conserved. The Big Bang created matter and antimatter, when combined anhilate each other. For every matter particle there's an antimatter particle. All matter and antimatter put together exhibits no net loss or gain of energy.

Secondly, certain physical laws - including the second law of thermodynamics - were not enforced during the very early stages or the beginning of the creation of the universe. A superforce combined gravity, electromagnetisim, the weak and strong nuclear forces were even light did not exhibit the characteristics that we see today.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God does not exist..

Matter and energy is conserved. The Big Bang created matter and antimatter, when combined anhilate each other. For every matter particle there's an antimatter particle. All matter and antimatter put together exhibits no net loss or gain of energy.

Secondly, certain physical laws - including the second law of thermodynamics - were not enforced during the very early stages or the beginning of the creation of the universe. A superforce combined gravity, electromagnetisim, the weak and strong nuclear forces were even light did not exhibit the characteristics that we see today.

Hogwash and codswallop. None of that gibberish is anywhere in the Bible. Try reading Genesis, pal.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: God does not exist..

Hogwash and codswallop. None of that gibberish is anywhere in the Bible. Try reading Genesis, pal.

No.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God does not exist..

No.

Freind, we are here to parise Jesus. Why are you here? I lovingly urged you to read the true story of the creation of this world in the Holy Bible, and in return for my kindness, you spit in my face.

I repeat; why are you here? Jesus has called you here for a reason, pal. Think about it.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: God does not exist..

Freind, we are here to parise Jesus. Why are you here? I lovingly urged you to read the true story of the creation of this world in the Holy Bible, and in return for my kindness, you spit in my face.

I repeat; why are you here? Jesus has called you here for a reason, pal. Think about it.

I'm here to embrace your way of thinking. Not to be enlightened about it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God does not exist..

I'm here to embrace your way of thinking. Not to be enlightened about it.

What you need to embrace is Jesus Christ. And read the Bible!

Your whole problem is that you are searching for a "way of thinking." God warns us that philosophies are to be avoided, as they are man made and thus sinful.

Denying the existence of God is not unbelief but an exercise in self-deception. You may know things, but you cannot account for anything you know. Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while. You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them. These laws are not the only way God has revealed himself to you, but they are sufficient to show the irrationality of your thinking, and expose your guilt for denying Him.

There is a reason that you deny the existence of God and it has nothing to do with proof. I can show this to you. Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?' Did you ever try to come up with an alternate explanation on your own?

Hoping that an alternate explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws can someday be found apart from God, is a blind leap of faith, or wishful thinking. Isn't it interesting that this is exactly what professed unbelievers accuse Christians of?

Please examine the real reason why you are running from God. It is my prayer that God will open your eyes and change your heart so that you may be saved from your sin, embraced by His ferocious love, and that you will tithe robustly immediately using the Paypal button at the bottom of this page.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: God does not exist..

What you need to embrace is Jesus Christ. And read the Bible!

Arguing against God's existence would be on par with arguing against the existence of air, breathing it all the while.

Denying the theory of evolution is on par with denying the theory of gravity, while walking across this spherical planet.

You use the universal, immaterial, unchanging laws of logic, mathematics, science, and absolute morality in order to come to rational decisions, but you cannot account for them.

You are right I cannot account for them, but in the world that we live in, they are the only laws that account and/or prove the phenomenons that occur in this world.

Do you think that you can continue to deny God because surely somewhere, sometime, a philosopher or scientist will come up with an explanation for universal, immaterial, unchanging laws apart from God?'

There will never come a day were a scientist will find the master equation that unlocks the reason for why things are. However, like an asymptote, we can always approach it, but religion only slows our progression to unearthing the reality of why things are.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God does not exist..

Denying the theory of evolution is on par with denying the theory of gravity, while walking across this spherical planet.



You are right I cannot account for them, but in the world that we live in, they are the only laws that account and/or prove the phenomenons that occur in this world.



There will never come a day were a scientist will find the master equation that unlocks the reason for why things are. However, like an asymptote, we can always approach it, but religion only slows our progression to unearthing the reality of why things are.

Science always changes. God doesn't.

Why fight it? Look around you and accept His gift of Salvation™ today!

[LyingDingDong]

Re: God does not exist..

Science always changes.

That is too vague and you know it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: God does not exist..

That is too vague and you know it.

Quite right. Science is ridiculously vague. and yet these monkey-worshiping scientists want us to accept their crazy schemes and lies as hard fact.

God is not vague at all. Read the Bible.

"one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law" - Matthew 5:18