[Professor Brown]

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"Brother V," my husband and I are both Christians.

Jenny, the God presented in the Bible, taken literally, is incoherent and full of direct contradictions. I cannot reconcile all verses. Neither can you. So we can be honest and admit that, or we can play pretend that all the verses fit together. I choose to be honest.

I look for a reading that makes the most sense of the text as a whole. That means there are verses I will chalk up to human error. That may mean the cognitive, social, historical, or psychological limitations of the author. Or it may mean mistakes made in the collecting, editing, translating, and teaching of the work from this day to now. Guided by the Holy Spirit, we as a faithful community can identify and correct those mistakes.

Professor Brown

[JennyD]

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"Brother V," my husband and I are both Christians.

Jenny, the God presented in the Bible, taken literally, is incoherent and full of direct contradictions. I cannot reconcile all verses. Neither can you. So we can be honest and admit that, or we can play pretend that all the verses fit together. I choose to be honest.

I look for a reading that makes the most sense of the text as a whole. That means there are verses I will chalk up to human error. That may mean the cognitive, social, historical, or psychological limitations of the author. Or it may mean mistakes made in the collecting, editing, translating, and teaching of the work from this day to now. Guided by the Holy Spirit, we as a faithful community can identify and correct those mistakes.

Professor Brown

So, Mrs. Brown, you deny that God is omniscient and omnipotent?

After all, you have declared His Word to be inaccurate, and not what He wants us to read -- that YOU must imagine what He wanted it to say, and fix it FOR Him. That means that either He isn't aware of errors, or He doesn't have the ability to fix them.

Which is it? Is He weak, or out of touch?

Or do you not believe in God at all? I'm thinking that's far more likely.

I do not see you as being "honest", as you say. You are picking and choosing those parts of the Bible which present the facets of God YOU wish to see, and disposing of the rest. WE acknowledge that God is far more complex than the hippiesque caricature you portray.

[Brother Temperance]

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Jack, I may be the strange woman to you...

You're a woman who thinks she can teach people things. That makes you strange by definition.

I look for a reading that makes the most sense of the text as a whole. That means there are verses I will chalk up to human error. That may mean the cognitive, social, historical, or psychological limitations of the author. Or it may mean mistakes made in the collecting, editing, translating, and teaching of the work from this day to now. Guided by the Holy Spirit, we as a faithful community can identify and correct those mistakes.

If the Holy Spirit's so great, why didn't it guide the authors of the Bible to correct those mistakes while writing it? That'd seem a lot simpler.

[JennyD]

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If the Holy Spirit's so great, why didn't it guide the authors of the Bible to correct those mistakes while writing it? That'd seem a lot simpler.

If He'd done that, Brother, then our Mrs. Brown would not have the opportunity to assert herself as greater than God.

[Brother V]

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"Brother V," my husband and I are both Christians.

Jenny, the God presented in the Bible, taken literally, is incoherent and full of direct contradictions. I cannot reconcile all verses. Neither can you. So we can be honest and admit that, or we can play pretend that all the verses fit together. I choose to be honest.

I look for a reading that makes the most sense of the text as a whole. That means there are verses I will chalk up to human error. That may mean the cognitive, social, historical, or psychological limitations of the author. Or it may mean mistakes made in the collecting, editing, translating, and teaching of the work from this day to now. Guided by the Holy Spirit, we as a faithful community can identify and correct those mistakes.

Professor Brown

What kind of christian doesn't take the bible literally?

Please o' wise one, can you go through the entire bible (KJV1611) and tell us which verses we are to take literally and which are ... um... not ones we are supposed to follow.

Or maybe you just pick and chose the verses that seem to fit into your happy little definition of christianity and say "oh that doesn't matter anymore" or "well, see you have to understand the 'CONTEXT' of the times and since it's now 2k8 that doesn't matter". Maybe you are one of those people who think that all one needs to do is follow the New Testament (and not even all of that) and the 10 commandments (the ones in Exodus 20 and OBVIOUSLY not the ones in Exodus 34, cuz those don't apply anymore).

Most pastors influence their churches by the verses read (or never read) in their churches. They will influence by the emphasis put on verses, or just breeze right through the ones they don't like. They influence by the "version" or "translation" of the "bible" that they use.

But I've never heard a christian pastor say that we don't have to believe the bible to be true (like you have done).

I've heard catholics say that, but not christian pastors.

Why would you claim to be a christian, when the ONE BOOK that provides the basis for your faith, you reject?

YIC
V

[Offcr. Albert Martin]

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I'll tell you at least FIVE parts of the Bible they don't take literally:

The four Last Supper accounts (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & 1 Corinthians) and John 6 (For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink)

[Brother V]

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I'll tell you at least FIVE parts of the Bible they don't take literally:

The four Last Supper accounts (Matthew, Mark, Luke, & 1 Corinthians) and John 6 (For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink)

Jesus said "this is my body" he didn't say "eat me".

V

[Bobby-Joe]

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"Brother V," my husband and I are both Christians.

Jenny, the God presented in the Bible, taken literally, is incoherent and full of direct contradictions. I cannot reconcile all verses. Neither can you. So we can be honest and admit that, or we can play pretend that all the verses fit together. I choose to be honest.

Look is the one who doesn’t understand now; God is not a “rational” creature like we humans can understand. God is perfect, He exists out side of time, the natural world and exists everywhere. By definition He is confusing to us because He is beyond our comprehension.

Quit selfishly trying to limit God.

I look for a reading that makes the most sense of the text as a whole. That means there are verses I will chalk up to human error. That may mean the cognitive, social, historical, or psychological limitations of the author. Or it may mean mistakes made in the collecting, editing, translating, and teaching of the work from this day to now. Guided by the Holy Spirit, we as a faithful community can identify and correct those mistakes.

Professor Brown

So you are saying the God is too incompetent or uncaring that He would let a mortal distort His message to His creation? That is not the God we Christians worship.

[Offcr. Albert Martin]

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Jesus said "this is my body" he didn't say "eat me".

V

He said, "Take this, all of you, and eat it: this is My body which will be given up for you."

Likewise, when he took the cup, he passed it to his disciples and said "Take this, all of you, and drink from it: this is the cup of My blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of Me."

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Look is the one who doesn’t understand now; God is not a “rational” creature like we humans can understand. God is perfect, He exists out side of time, the natural world and exists everywhere. By definition He is confusing to us because He is beyond our comprehension.

Quit selfishly trying to limit God.



So you are saying the God is too incompetent or uncaring that He would let a mortal distort His message to His creation? That is not the God we Christians worship.

If he's all that and a bag of omnipotent, omniscient chips, why didn't he create people with the ability to comprehend him?

[Nobar King]

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Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again? The answer to your question can be found here and on 10,000 other religious websites, not to mention google and wikipedia. Go away and do some studying, and come back when you are ready to show your love for Jesus.

[Old Iron Crotch]

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Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over again? The answer to your question can be found here and on 10,000 other religious websites, not to mention google and wikipedia. Go away and do some studying, and come back when you are ready to show your love for Jesus.

I know the answer - he didn't because he couldn't, because he didn't create anything in the first place.

[Nobar King]

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I know the answer - he didn't because he couldn't, because he didn't create anything in the first place.

So you just come here to pepper us with your stupid rhetorical questions? I'm glad that I can't see the conversations that occur at your dinner table.

"Isn't undercooked food great?"
"You know I love anything you do, dear."

[Brother V]

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He said, "Take this, all of you, and eat it: this is My body which will be given up for you."

Likewise, when he took the cup, he passed it to his disciples and said "Take this, all of you, and drink from it: this is the cup of My blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and for all so that sins may be forgiven. Do this in memory of Me."

If Jesus had his disciples eat human flesh and drink human blood (or any type of blood) then he would be having his disciples break some of the laws.

If Jesus broke the law, then Jesus sinned.

Friend, do you believe Jesus sinned? If Jesus sinned, then his sacrifice wasn't perfect.

(Of course, since you are catholic, you probably only think mary was sin free).

V

[Deaner]

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If he's all that and a bag of omnipotent, omniscient chips, why didn't he create people with the ability to comprehend him?

Obviously that's not for us to know. Why does he create retards that will eat their own poo?