It's not about the facts.

[SC-Integrity]

The argument here is not about facts. The argument here is the presuppositions we use to interpret the facts. The evolutionist presupposes evolution to be true, therefore all facts presented naturally conform to their presuppositions. The believer presupposes creationism to be true, therefore all facts presented naturally conform to their presuppositions. To both parties, the evidence is blatantly obvious that their worldview is the correct one which, when one view or the other is presupposed, is true. In eliminating the Bible as a source of fact, the atheist is at an obvious advantage from the start. The Christian is unable to effectively give an alternate interpretation of the facts. Believing the Bible as a basis for thought is necessary. If an argument is based on false axioms, the argument may be true, but the facts false. I.e. Axiom: The sky is red, not blue. This axiom is false and anyone can debate why the sky is red, when in fact, the truth never changes and the argument is futile. Processes such as natural selection and genetic drift do not conflict with the Bible as a presupposition to fact. The theory of evolution, however, does.

Basically:

-Using Biblical presuppositions in an argument is necessary. You can not eliminate the presuppositions of the Bible without destroying one side of the argument totally, at which point, it's not an argument.

-If one's presuppositions are absolute, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

-All evolutionists are naturally presupposing that the supernatural does not exist when they enter the debate. This presupposition must be abandoned for the argument to be fair.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: It's not about the facts.

Christians do not need the mumbo-jumbo and arty-crafty words of a philosopher, all they require is faith. Eviloutionists are the tool of the Devil. Case closed.


How's that for a compromise?

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: It's not about the facts.

The argument here is not about facts. The argument here is the presuppositions we use to interpret the facts. The evolutionist presupposes evolution to be true, therefore all facts presented naturally conform to their presuppositions. The believer presupposes creationism to be true, therefore all facts presented naturally conform to their presuppositions. To both parties, the evidence is blatantly obvious that their worldview is the correct one which, when one view or the other is presupposed, is true. In eliminating the Bible as a source of fact, the atheist is at an obvious advantage from the start. The Christian is unable to effectively give an alternate interpretation of the facts. Believing the Bible as a basis for thought is necessary. If an argument is based on false axioms, the argument may be true, but the facts false. I.e. Axiom: The sky is red, not blue. This axiom is false and anyone can debate why the sky is red, when in fact, the truth never changes and the argument is futile. Processes such as natural selection and genetic drift do not conflict with the Bible as a presupposition to fact. The theory of evolution, however, does.

Basically:

-Using Biblical presuppositions in an argument is necessary. You can not eliminate the presuppositions of the Bible without destroying one side of the argument totally, at which point, it's not an argument.

-If one's presuppositions are absolute, no amount of evidence will change their mind.

-All evolutionists are naturally presupposing that the supernatural does not exist when they enter the debate. This presupposition must be abandoned for the argument to be fair.

I sugggest you re-think your blapshemy. There IS no argument. The Bible in it's entirety is absolute fact because it is the WORD of God. Please choose Jesus. I would not want you so be sepatated from God for all eternity.

[Ebenezer Wright]

Re: It's not about the facts.

Thanks for that useless rant about creationist/evolutionists presupposing Biblical Truth/Science.

I will file it away in my Circular file.

[SC-Integrity]

Re: It's not about the facts.

I suggest you re-think your blapshemy. There IS no argument. The Bible in it's entirety is absolute fact because it is the WORD of God. Please choose Jesus. I would not want you so be sepatated from God for all eternity.

I totally agree. I have chosen Jesus, above all else this world offers. I'm on my way to heaven (and I'm so glad).

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: It's not about the facts.

I totally agree. I have chosen Jesus, above all else this world offers. I'm on my way to heaven (and I'm so glad).

God Bless you Brother.