[JubJub Joe]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

You haven't figured it out yet? Only following the word of Jesus will save you in the end. That's why we come HERE, to praise Him, not to argue about what Jesus wants.

and you haven't figured out the fact that you're all out of touch with the world. People like you are a disgrace to Christians. Every Christian I know is friendly, accepting, and faces up to reality. Every Christian I know would be ashamed of this site. That's a lot of Christians...

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smith was right twice in one day! Eve's navel isn't mentioned in the Bible, and he is the biggest prick at Landover. Which is saying a lot.

That doesn't mean we should gloss over the contradictions in the Bible. I could go on for ages about them. For example, did Jesus give his life as a ransom for all, or only for some?

You know that those who are considered rulers over the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you shall be your servant. And whoever of you desires to be first shall be slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many. (Jesus explaining to his disciples why they should be humble, a lesson not often cited at Landover.)

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

This forum is filled with racist, degenerate and narcisstic Americans with absolutely no purpose.

Each and every one of you disgusts me; and your existence in the real world is unbelievable. You all seem to think that America is some sort of heaven on earth, with Europe remaining a cesspit of filth. I can tell you now that you are a disgrace to Americans.

It is one thing to be supportive of a religion, but your zealot attitude is completely ridiculous... actively insulting entire groups of people because of their race. America is not built on the foundation of white, evangelist Christians. Fortunately, like most countries it relies on immigrants from all over the world. The compuer you're using uses parts built by people from around the world... people you actively insult. Your naivety is astounding. Many businesses that support the USA are owned by foreign Businessmen and women who originate from Europe... even the "God-hating English" have an important role in the world.

Fancy that...

And now, the posts that do reply to this will probably be filled with the boring, unpredictable Jesus veil that I've seen thrown around all over this website...

Well you know what, I'll do what I think God wants me to do, rather than following the instruction of misguided, nationalist buffoons who can't accept change.

Joe

What heresey. And the term "Fancy that..." it's obvious that you are a pansy Brit joy boy homer.

[JennyD]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

This forum is filled with racist, degenerate and narcisstic Americans with absolutely no purpose.

Well you know what, I'll do what I think God wants me to do, rather than following the instruction of misguided, nationalist buffoons who can't accept change.

Joe

We have only one purpose here, Joe.

Our purpose is to share with you and people like you what the Bible tells us. You know, God's Word.

Have you read it?

If you want to know what God wants you to do, then you need to read the Bible. That's what we do.

Could you tell us where we've misunderstood any point of Scripture? I've no doubt the Pastors would be happy to discuss any such issues with you.

and you haven't figured out the fact that you're all out of touch with the world. People like you are a disgrace to Christians. Every Christian I know is friendly, accepting, and faces up to reality. Every Christian I know would be ashamed of this site. That's a lot of Christians...

We hear frequently of these "tolerant Christians". They say that God loves everybody, and that everybody goes to Heaven . . . even Jews and Islamists.

The Bible says different, Joe.

We believe what God wrote in the Bible for us to follow. Those who don't but call themselves "Christians" are liars, Joe.

I'm glad you've come to Landover. Here, you have a chance to take a big step up in the world, and get to know some True Christians(tm). We'll be happy to help you understand God's Word!

[JubJub Joe]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

Ah yes... the contradictions...

Somebody helpful has created a thread devoted to them.
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13411 originally from
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...m-in-Bible.php

Should we plan and set goals?

Yes.

1. Genesis 11:6 - The LORD said, "… nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them..
2. Job 42:2 - I know that you can do all things; no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3. Proverbs 14:22- Do not those who plot evil go astray? But those who plan what is good find love and faithfulness.
4. Amos 3:7- Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.
5. Ephesians 1:11- In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.
6. Proverbs 21:5 - The plans of the diligent lead to profit as surely as haste leads to poverty.

No.

1. Matthew 6:34 - Do not worry about tomorrow- today has enough problems of its own.
2. Proverbs 27:1 - Do not boast about tomorrow, for you do not know what a day may bring forth.
3. Proverbs 20:24 - A man's steps are directed by the Lord. How then can anyone understand his own way? It is a trap for a man to dedicate something rashly and only later to consider his vows.
4. Proverbs 19:21 - Many are the plans in a man's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails.
5. Proverbs 16:9 - In his heart a man plans his course, but the Lord determines his steps.
6. Proverbs 12:11 - ...he who chases fantasies lacks judgement.

Should we save and store things?
Yes.

1. Matthew 23:27 You ought therefore to have deposited my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received back my own with interest

No.

1. Luke 12:33. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
2. Luke 12:16-21 The things which you have prepared—whose will they be?’ So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God."

Should we offer help and give to others?
Yes.

1. Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

No.

1. Matthew 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Should Christians associate with ‘sinners’?
Yes.

1. Jesus did. Luke 15:2 - But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 "Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5-6 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home.
2. Christians ARE sinners. Romans 3:23 - ...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

No.

1. Matthew 15:13-14 - He replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides.[a] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.
2. Matthew 7:6 - Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
3. Proverbs 13:20 - He who walks with wise men will be wise, But the companion of fools will suffer harm.
4. Proverbs 14:7 - Leave the presence of a fool, or you will not discern words of knowledge.
5. Proverbs 24:1-2 - Do not be envious of evil men, Nor desire to be with them; For their minds devise violence, And their lips talk of trouble.

Should we be liberal and proactive with financial investments?
Yes.

1. Luke 19:11-27 ‘Lord, behold, your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief, for I feared you, because you are an exacting man. You take up that which you didn’t lay down, and reap that which you didn’t sow.’ 22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?' 24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.' 25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!' 26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
2. 2 Corinthians 9:6 - Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously

No.

1. Proverbs 21:20 The wise have wealth and luxury, but fools spend whatever they get
2. Proverbs 28:20 - “a faithful man will be richly blessed, but one eager to get rich will not go unpunished.

Should we express our Christianity in public?
Yes.

1. Mat 10:26-27 (NIV) "There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the housetops."
2. Mark 4:22 (Jer) "For there is nothing hidden but it must be disclosed, nothing kept secret except to be brought to light."
3. Isaiah 42:11 Let the desert and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. 12 Let them give glory to the LORD and proclaim his praise in the islands. 14 "For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant.
4. Psalm 98:4 Shout joyfully to the LORD, all the earth; Break forth and sing for joy and sing praises.

No.

1. Matthew 6:5-6 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
2. Matthew 6:2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
3. Matthew 9:30- “…and their sight was restored. Jesus warned them sternly, ‘See that no one knows about this.” But they went out and spread the news about him all over that region.”

Should we keep prayers short?
Yes.

1. Matthew 6:7-8 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

No.

1. 1 Thessalonians 5:17, "pray without ceasing.”
2. In Ephesians 6:18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.

Should we ask anything of God?
Yes.

1. Mark 11:24 – “Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.”
2. In Ephesians 6:18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.

No.

1. Don’t ask for signs from God - Matthew 12:39 – “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!”

Should we Test God?
Yes.

1. 1 John 4:1 [ Test the Spirits ] Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

No.

1. Matthew 4:7 - Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
2. Luke 4:12 - Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.' "
3. Don’t ask for signs from God - Matthew 12:39 – “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a miraculous sign!” (repeat)

Did Jesus think killing is justified?
Yes.

1. Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

No.

1. Matthew 5:38-39 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Should we be assertive and stand up for ourselves?
Yes.

1. Matthew 21:12-13 - Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13) "It is written," he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'

No.

1. Matthew 5:39 - "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
2. Jesus chastised Peter for cutting off the man’s ear while defending himself – John 18:10-1

Should we be a part of this world?
Yes.

1. Jesus associated with sinners

No.

1. Protect ourselves, cut off what causes us to sin, finish the race.
2. 2 Timothy 4:7 - I have fought a good fight, I have FINISHed [my] course, I have kept the faith:
3. Matthew 10:22 - All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
4. Matthew 10:16 – “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”

Once saved, are we always saved?
Yes.

1. John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
2. Ephesians 4:30 - And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
3. Jude 1:24 - Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy.

No.

1. Matthew 10:22 – “…He who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Notice it doesn’t say he who at one point of time stood firm, or once gave his heart to Jesus. It says he who stands firm (consistently) to the end.
2. Corinthians 11:15: Their end will be what their actions deserve.
3. Matthew 12:36 - But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.
4. Hebrews 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put [him] to an open shame.

Are there different rewards and levels of heaven?
Yes.

1. Matthew 18:4 - Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
2. Luke 12:33 - Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
3. 2 Corinthians 12:2 - I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.
4. Proverbs 24:12 "Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done?"
5. Proverbs 3:9 "Honor the Lord with your wealth, with the first fruits of all your crops; then your barns will be filled to overflowing, and your vats will brim over with new wine."
6. Proverbs 22:9 "A generous man will himself be blessed, for he shares his food with the poor."

No.

1. Matthew 20:1-16 – Parable of the Vineyard – all workers got the same reward.

Should we show honor to our family?
Yes.

1. Matthew 15:4 - For God said, 'Honor your father and mother'[a] and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

No.

1. Matthew 12:48-50 - He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
2. Matthew 15:5-6 - But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father[a]' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
3. Matthew 13:12-14 - Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
4. Matthew 13:57 - But Jesus said to them, "Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor."

Are we inherently sinful from birth?
Yes.

1. Romans 3:10 - As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.
2. A child had a demon - Matthew 17:18 - Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.
3. Romans 5:12-21 - Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world…
4. Proverbs 22:15 - Foolishness [is] bound in the heart of a child; [but] the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

No.

1. Matthew 18:3 - "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does Satan have permission to hurt us?
Yes.

1. Job 2:7 So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the top of his head.
2. Matthew 13:19 - When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path.
3. Luke 8:12 - Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved.

No.

1. I John 4:4 - Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world.

Does Jesus favor the poor?
Yes.

1. Luke 16:20 …Blessed [be ye] POOR: for yours is the kingdom of God.
2. Matthew 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
3. Matthew 13:22 "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
4. Mark 10:23 And Jesus, looking around, said to His disciples, "How hard it will be for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!"
5. Luke 18:24 And Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!

No.

1. Matthew 13:12 - Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.

Does God do miracles today?
Yes.

1. Matthew 19:24-26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
2. Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

No.

1. John 19:30 - So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” [some people claim that Jesus’ death and resurrection was the ultimate proof of God’s authority, so miracles to prove God are no longer needed]

Will most people go to hell?
Yes.

1. Luke 13:23-24 - Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.
2. Matthew 7:14 - But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
3. Matthew 22:14 - For many are invited, but few are chosen.
4. Only 144,000 saved? Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

No.

1. Romans 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.
2. Revelation 7:9-11 - After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb.

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You people pick and choose what to believe, and then think that everyone else is wrong.

Nice logic there...

[JubJub Joe]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

Here's another contradiction:

2 Kings 24 verse 8 (KJV) says: "Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months." 2 Chronicles 36 verse 9 (KJV) says: "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD."

[JennyD]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

What's your point, Joe?

We still run the United States, and will once again rule Europe within just a few years.

Which side do you want to be on? God's, or the Islamists'?

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

In the sciences, Jews have won 22 percent of all the Nobel Prizes ever awarded - 29 percent of the prizes since 1950, after the Holocaust destroyed a third of their numbers. Given their small population, Jews should have earned only one of the 502 Nobels awarded for physics, chemistry, medicine and physiology. They have won 123....

How many have negroes won?

[JubJub Joe]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

Erm, you don't run the US.... you really don't.

Republican doesn't equate to evangelist Christian.

There are 30 Jews in the House of Representatives. Considering the number of Jews in America, thats a much higher proportion than with Christians.

Christians do not run America, and Muslims are not harbingers of evil...

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

There are 30 Jews in the House of Representatives. Considering the number of Jews in America, thats a much higher proportion than with Christians.

Since we're counting these things, how many Congressmen are negroes? And what great technologies have negroes introduced to the world (outside peanut butter)?

Christians do not run America,

and Muslims are not harbingers of evil...

If you say so.

[JennyD]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

Erm, you don't run the US.... you really don't.

Republican doesn't equate to evangelist Christian.

But George W. Bush does, Joe. Mike Huckabee does, too. And Barack Obama, Joe, even though he's a false Christian.

There are 30 Jews in the House of Representatives. Considering the number of Jews in America, thats a much higher proportion than with Christians.

Yes, 30 out of 435. Jews are practically running the country.

Christians do not run America, and Muslims are not harbingers of evil...

If you say so, Joe!

[JubJub Joe]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

You do realise that few Christians hold the same extreme views as the members of this website. I'm sure most Christians would be offended if you implied that their thought patterns even remotely resembled the opinions found on this website.

[JennyD]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

You do realise that few Christians hold the same extreme views as the members of this website. I'm sure most Christians would be offended if you implied that their thought patterns even remotely resembled the opinions found on this website.

Joe, "most" Christians may indeed be liberal False Christians. However, as I pointed out before, they will gladly choose a conservative, Bible-believing Christian over an Islamist . .. . or an atheist.

Did you know that in a number of states in the US, atheists are not allowed to hold public office or testify in court under oath? It's true, Joe. Look it up.

Coming soon to a European nation near you, Joe. Thank the Islamofascists; I do!

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

You do realise that few Christians hold the same extreme views as the members of this website. I'm sure most Christians would be offended if you implied that their thought patterns even remotely resembled the opinions found on this website.

Which is why all of the anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives in the US have been voted down in overwhelming numbers. No, wait a minute, they weren't all voted down. In fact, they all passed.

Yeah, I guess we're way outside the mainstream. But at least our kids don't have to explain to their classmates at school why they have three daddies and four mommies.

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: A rant from an irate Englishman.

<< you're all out of touch with the world >>

I have no desire to be "in touch" with your filthy, muckraking general poulation..or Gen Pop as I've heard it's described in prison. For your acursed world is but a prison, Joe. And it is but the Landover Baptist Church that offers parole.

Set yourself free, and join us!

Don't you realize your fighting us just contributes to all the terrible fighting that's already in the world?

You would do well to strive to be meek and mild. Like Jesus was/is.