Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

[Whip of Japheth]

Dale Neumann found guilty - A Wisconsin man who prayed for his daughter instead of getting her medical help was convicted Saturday of second-degree reckless homicide.

Dale R. Neumann, 47, was found guilty by a Marathon County jury in the death of Madeline Kara Neumann, 11, who died Easter Sunday 2008 of untreated diabetes, WKOW-TV, Wausau, reported. The Marathon County jury, sitting in Wausau, deliberated more than 15 hours during two days before returning the verdict.
Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, 41, was convicted May 22. Each faces up to 25 years in prison.
Prosecutors said the parents did not take their daughter to a doctor when she became ill, even when her breathing became labored and she could not talk, eat or drink.
In testimony at the trial, doctors said Kara, as the girl was known, died from complications of undiagnosed diabetes and could have been saved if she had been given fluids and insulin, the Wausau Daily Herald reported.
Defense attorney Jay Kronenwetter had argued that Dale Neumann did what he believed was best for his daughter, praying for her "because he believed that was what would save his daughter."

Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny.

[salmonking51]

Re: Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

He deserves to be in prison. He could have prevented his daughters death. I'm sure he had noble intentions but they were false.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

He deserves to be in prison. He could have prevented his daughters death. I'm sure he had noble intentions but they were false.

I don't follow you. Why should he go to prison when he loved his daughter tremendously and never wanted to harm her? He loved her so much he prayed for her to get better. It was God's will that she should not be healed. Why is he being punished because of God's decision?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]He could have prevented his daughters death. [...]

One moment, young sir. If God says your time is up, that is it! Regardless of what MIGHT have happened to the daughter, it was clear that she was to die that day - God ordained it and nothing anyone can do could change that.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

He deserves to be in prison. He could have prevented his daughters death. I'm sure he had noble intentions but they were false.

There is no stopping Jesus when He says it is time for your daughter to go to her greater reward.

The court's decision is definitely unconstitutional – we are guaranteed freedom of religion.

[Buford T Scoggins]

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I don't blame Dale Neumann for not taking his daughter to see a doctor. Even death is better than exposing her to the evils of socialized medicine that Obama is forcing down our throats!

yours in Christ,
Brother Buford

[JennyD]

Re: Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

He deserves to be in prison. He could have prevented his daughters death. I'm sure he had noble intentions but they were false.

Slamonking, I'm sorry to see that you believe that a man with what you describe as "noble intentions" should be in prison simply for being incorrect. Isn't that a rather harsh stance to take?

If I were to see that you were in a car accident and that your heart had stopped, and I tried to give you CPR but failed in my efforts, would you want me to go to prison, too?

Mr. Neumann's only crime was his lack of faith. How do we know Neumann lacked faith? Allow me to explain:

Jesus promised in the Bible that He would do anything the faithful asked.

Neumann asked Jesus to heal his daughter.

Jesus did not heal Kara Neumann.

Therefore, Neumann clearly had lingering doubts about whether or not Jesus would heal Kara.

Now, the fact that Neumann doubted God is ample reason for him to be condemned by God to an eternity of torture in Hell! But it is no reason for him to be sent to prison. At least, not under current US law.

[Nilon]

Re: Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

There is no stopping Jesus when He says it is time for your daughter to go to her greater reward.

The court's decision is definitely unconstitutional – we are guaranteed freedom of religion.

To give everyone freedom of religion would have many people end up dead, without giving everyone that freedom it would protect more people.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Freedom for Dale Neumann!!!

To give everyone freedom of religion would have many people end up dead, without giving everyone that freedom it would protect more people.

So you're against the First Amendment, then?

[Nilon]

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So you're against the First Amendment, then?

If freedom of religion was given to everyone, then certain religions would likely go out and kill others for example. Christians would be out killing everyone not of their faith, Muslims killing other faiths (not exactly sure about them, I never cared much for that faith), and possibly any one of those other satanic faiths that are labeled here.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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If freedom of religion was given to everyone, then certain religions would likely go out and kill others for example. Christians would be out killing everyone not of their faith, Muslims killing other faiths (not exactly sure about them, I never cared much for that faith), and possibly any one of those other satanic faiths that are labeled here.

So what's your point, son? God commands us to kill those who reject His love.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

2 Chronicles 15:13
Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

[Nilon]

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So what's your point, son? God commands us to kill those who reject His love.

Which is my point, if you were given the freedom of religion then you would go and kill people who don't believe what you do. Other Christian faiths do not believe the same, and which case would in turn lead them to kill you. That is why freedoms need limits imposed on them.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Which is my point, if you were given the freedom of religion then you would go and kill people who don't believe what you do. Other Christian faiths do not believe the same, and which case would in turn lead them to kill you. That is why freedoms need limits imposed on them.

So then you're a communist.

[Nilon]

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So then you're a communist.

No, communism wants equality and never work out. It's never existed before, and it's unlikely to work out later. My point about the limits remain, and besides, the current system limits it now without being a communist nation.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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No, communism wants equality and never work out. It's never existed before, and it's unlikely to work out later. My point about the limits remain, and besides, the current system limits it now without being a communist nation.

If you're against freedom, then you're a communist, like Al Kaeda.

Did you know that this is a Christian forum? Why are you here? Did Bill Clinton send you?