[Bobby-Joe]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You didn't watch the video did you? UHC is against capitalist values, but it isn't against Christian values.

BTW 3 days ago I was completely against UHC until I watched the video.

Jesus is a free market supply side capitalist and during His earthly ministry firmly a member of the middle class.

Read about it here sinner

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4195

I am not surprised some worshiper of Ayn Raynd would turn his back on our Loving Savior and spit on His greatest creation the Free Market System. America is the greatest country in all history because of capitalism. But you Libertarians want to turn us into a socialist hellhole like Canada or Sweden!

[JennyD]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Part of the video actually talks about how Insurance companies interests are more concerned with their investors than the people they insure. Meaning they want to make a profit at the expense of the insurance premium payer.

That's the point of running a business.

So, you think that they shouldn't make a profit. They should go broke, in which case their investors would pull out, and nobody would have health insurance.

I assume you think the same of pharmaceutical companies, that they should spend hundreds of millions, if not billions, developing and testing drugs, then give them away for free?

Tell me, why do you think America is the place people go when they want the best medical treatment? Because they can GET IT HERE, instead of waiting while their cancer spreads until the government bureaucrats decide that it's their turn for chemotherapy or surgery!

Please don't accuse me of something that isn't true. I support capitalism in everything but healthcare. I don't regard human life as something that people should make a profit on.

Then I assume you also don't think that farmers should be able to make a profit on food, since it's necessary for life. Housing should also be free, since people have to live somewhere.

Modern life requires electricity, so I guess nobody should have to pay for that, right?

You haven't thought this through, have you?


And why in the world would you pick "Libertarian" as your screen name, when you're clearly anti-libertarian and in fact socialist?

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You're a tad naive.

A few Canukistanis in the wild west do not a majority make.

I did watch the video. He quit. To up and just quit implies dissatisfaction. I still say he's most likely disgruntled.

OK, dictionary time.

ad hominem 

–adjective 1.appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.2.attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

I'm guessing you are implying my argument falls into the first definition because it certainly does not fall into the second. I'm guessing you think I was appealing to your emotions by pointing out lots of people will lose their jobs.

The thing is, even if you believe I offered an ad hominem argument, you went on to say this: "Yes losing jobs would be unfortunate; However, it won't all happen at once, and most, if not all, will be able to find work elsewhere. It's an unfortunate trade off, but worth it." You essentially are saying I'm right. So where's the ad hominem?

I personally would not want to be one of the people that loses a good job at a good company due to the irresponsible actions of my government.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Eugene Hackwith]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I'm not watching that video if, as the thread starter claims, it alone can turn a conservative into a moronic socialist. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but maybe there are demonic subliminal verses in the video...

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Jesus is a free market supply side capitalist and during His earthly ministry firmly a member of the middle class.

Read about it here sinner

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=4195

I am not surprised some worshiper of Ayn Raynd would turn his back on our Loving Savior and spit on His greatest creation the Free Market System. America is he greatest country in all history because of capitalism. But you Libertarians want to turn us into a socialist hellhole like Canada or Sweden!

I've never read anything by Ayn Rand.



You don't even know what a libertarian is if you think it is in any way related to socialism. You should do a google search and find out what it really is.



The bible says nothing about socialism/capitalism. The apostles were sinners just like everyone else, and many of them were poor. I'm kind of surprised by some of the assumptions you make; you don't sound like you research things before you make opinions about them.

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I'm not watching that video if, as the thread starter claims, it alone can turn a conservative into a mormonic socialist. I'm not jumping to any conclusions, but maybe there are demonic subliminal verses in the video...

Thank you for your close mindedness.

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You're a tad naive.

A few Canukistanis in the wild west do not a majority make.

I did watch the video. He quit. To up and just quit implies dissatisfaction. I still say he's most likely disgruntled.

OK, dictionary time.

ad hominem 

–adjective 1.appealing to one's prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one's intellect or reason.2.attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

I'm guessing you are implying my argument falls into the first definition because it certainly does not fall into the second. I'm guessing you think I was appealing to your emotions by pointing out lots of people will lose their jobs.

The thing is, even if you believe I offered an ad hominem argument, you went on to say this: "Yes losing jobs would be unfortunate; However, it won't all happen at once, and most, if not all, will be able to find work elsewhere. It's an unfortunate trade off, but worth it." You essentially are saying I'm right. So where's the ad hominem?

I personally would not want to be one of the people that loses a good job at a good company due to the irresponsible actions of my government.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

I was specifically referring to you assuming I was against free speech.

[JennyD]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I've never read anything by Ayn Rand.

Maybe you should start. She may have been a Godless atheist, but she was at least a capitalist. Try Atlas Shrugged.

You don't even know what a libertarian is if you think it is in any way related to socialism. You should do a google search and find out what it really is.

No, little boy, you should. If you think you can be a libertarian and support socialized medicine, then you have no clue what libertarianism is.

you don't sound like you research things before you make opinions about them.

Pot, have you met Kettle?

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Maybe you should start. She may have been a Godless atheist, but she was at least a capitalist. Try Atlas Shrugged.


No, little boy, you should. If you think you can be a libertarian and support socialized medicine, then you have no clue what libertarianism is.



Pot, have you met Kettle?

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I was specifically referring to you assuming I was against free speech.

You said this:

Insurance companies spend millions in lobbying to keep things the way they are.

You said the above in the context that health insurance companies are bad and that we need UHC. The context implies that insurance companies should not be able to get their viewpoint out to the public. Hence, my statement about you in regards to free speech was in fact not an ad hominem.

Now run along.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You said this:



You said the above in the context that health insurance companies are bad and that we need UHC. The context implies that insurance companies should not be able to get their viewpoint out to the public. Hence, my statement about you in regards to free speech was in fact not an ad hominem.

Now run along.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

The only people that are truly heard in D.C. are the people with the money. AKA corporations.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I'm done with you "Libertarian". You're not worth any further waste of font. I try not to chat with admitted liars and hypocrites unless they are confessing their sins and seeking the forgiveness of Jesus.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I'm done with you "Libertarian". You're not worth any further waste of font. I try not to chat with admitted liars and hypocrites unless they are confessing their sins and seeking the forgiveness of Jesus.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

I can't confess my sins to a man who died 2000 years ago can I?


brb building time machine.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Is your name intentionally ironic or something? You're the first libertarian to endorse UHC. What's next...Republicans calling for the criminalization of practicing religion? Democrats legalizing assault rifles in all 50 states?

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Is your name intentionally ironic or something? You're the first libertarian to endorse UHC. What's next...Republicans calling for the criminalization of practicing religion? Democrats legalizing assault rifles in all 50 states?

He's nothing more than an ACORN representative sent by Obama and Pelosi to troll forums to garner support to nationalize the health care system. That PBS link is to Bill Moyers, an unrepentant socialist and a lifelong DEMONcrat.

It's no wonder that Pelosi wanted to pass that health care bill before the break. Millions of Americans are taking torches and pitchforks to their local town hall meetings.