My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

[Libertarian]

After watching this PBS video. It's called Profits before Patients.

Please watch the whole thing then comment.

http://video.pbs.org/video/1201678913/program/1113570149

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

After watching this PBS video. It's called Profits before Patients.

Please watch the whole thing then comment.

http://video.pbs.org/video/120167891...ram/1113570149

How about YOU don't come into God's favorite forum and make demands!

Now you go read the Pastors Rules and Announcements. Pay VERY close attention to the "noobs" thread. THEN you are allowed to post on the introduction forum.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

How about YOU don't come into God's favorite forum and make demands!

Now you go read the Pastors Rules and Announcements. Pay VERY close attention to the "noobs" thread. THEN you are allowed to post on the introduction forum.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

I'm confused as to why you responded so harshly to my post?

I just wanted to post something I found interesting.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I'm confused as to why you responded so harshly to my post?

I just wanted to post something I found interesting.

Because you post is a direct attack upon American and Christian values, that is why. If you pushing UHC why don't you burn the Bible and wave the red flag while you are at it Comrade?

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I'm confused as to why you responded so harshly to my post?

I just wanted to post something I found interesting.

You are a GUEST on this forum. No one cares what you find interesting. Perhaps once you've shown yourself to be a True Christian, we WILL care. You made a demand. The use of italics implied a demand. And, as I noted, you failed to follow church protocol.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Because you post is a direct attack upon American and Christian values, that is why. If you pushing UHC why don't you burn the Bible and wave the red flag while you are at it Comrade?

You didn't watch the video did you? UHC is against capitalist values, but it isn't against Christian values.

BTW 3 days ago I was completely against UHC until I watched the video.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You didn't watch the video did you? UHC is against capitalist values, but it isn't against Christian values.

BTW 3 days ago I was completely against UHC until I watched the video.

You didn't read the Pastors Rules and Announcements, did you?

Why do you come to a Christian forum to promote a Marxist agenda? Do communist countries have Christian values?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

OK. I take from the video that

• Companies should not make profit for their shareholder and therefore go bust
• Patients are a drain on resources (this is undeniable.)
• Inadequate insurance is always a mistake
• The poor are always with us
• By selecting the poor for early call to Glory, The Lord raises the average.
• We do not expect our automobiles to be repaired for free – how much less should we expect Doctors to cure us for free?

I would add that Doctors are NOT good people - they are opposing God’s Plan and worship Mammon. If God curses you with an affliction, then surely trying to cure it, other than by prayer and repentance, is defying The Lord?

I suggest you read KJV1611 and take especial note of the time that God either curses someone with an affliction or, conversely, cures them of same. Now that is real free healthcare.

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

OK. I take from the video that

• Companies should not make profit for their shareholder and therefore go bust
• Patients are a drain on resources (this is indeniable.)
• Inadequate insurance is always a mistake
• The poor are always with us
• By selecting the poor for early call to Glory, The Lord raises the average.
• We do not expect our automobiles to be repaired for free – how much less should we expect Doctors to cure us for free?

I would add that Doctors are NOT good people - they are opposing God’s Plan and worship Mammon. If God curses you with an affliction, then surely trying to cure it, other than by prayer and repentance, is defying The Lord.

I suggest you read KJV1611 and take especial note of the time that God either curses someone with an affliction or, conversely, cures them of same. Now that is real free healthcare.

Part of the video actually talks about how Insurance companies interests are more concerned with their investors than the people they insure. Meaning they want to make a profit at the expense of the insurance premium payer.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

Part of the video actually talks about how Insurance companies interests are more concerned with their investors than the people they insure. Meaning they want to make a profit at the expense of the insurance premium payer.

See? I was right. You are a Marxist. Hopefully one of the Pastors will change your SN to "Marxist".

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

See? I was right. You are a Marxist. Hopefully one of the Pastors will change your SN to "Marxist".

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

Please don't accuse me of something that isn't true. I support capitalism in everything but healthcare. I don't regard human life as something that people should make a profit on.

You've heard of Medicare right? Medicare is UHC for people that are 65 and older. I found that out the other day.

UHC is already in the U.S.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You've heard of Medicare right? Medicare is UHC for people that are 65 and older. I found that out the other day.

You're 20 years old and you just now found out about Medicare? You have to be kidding me.

Now run along and do some research and find out 2 things. A) How well it's working, and How much it is costing.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

You're 20 years old and you just now found out about Medicare? You have to be kidding me.

Now run along and do some research and find out 2 things. A) How well it's working, and How much it is costing.

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

I new medicare existed, but I didn't know it was a form of UHC.

I support a like in Canada. Their system works different than medicare, and it works well for them. Surprisingly, these horror stories of waiting in line for care in Canada are extremely rare. Of course, the media doesn't want people to know that; Insurance companies spend millions in lobbying to keep things the way they are.

[Brother Lazarus]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

I new medicare existed, but I didn't know it was a form of UHC.

It's really not UHC. For it to be of any value the old person has to buy supplemental coverage from an Insurance company.

I support a like in Canada. Their system works different than Medicare, and it works well for them.

I suggest you get input from several actual Canadians, if you can find any. There are 300 million of us, and about 20 million Canukistanis.

Surprisingly, these horror stories of waiting in line for care in Canada are extremely rare.

Of course, there are very few actual Canukistanis.

Of course, the media doesn't want people to know that;

Huh? The media worships UHC wherever it occurs. Keep in mind the video you are so fond of is a soft ball interview by Bill Moyer (an ultra liberal) of a most likely disgruntled ex-employee. It aired on PBS which by far the most liberal media outlet in the entire USA! And you believe it? Yeesh.

Insurance companies spend millions in lobbying to keep things the way they are.

Are you against free speech too? Now listen, I suggest you do another thing. How about tallying up the number of Insurance companies there are that offer health insurance products. Do a realistic estimate of the number of people employed by those companies. That number represents the number of people that will lose their jobs to UHC.

Still love UHC?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Libertarian]

Re: My Conservative dad changed his view on UHC

It's really not UHC. For it to be of any value the old person has to buy supplemental coverage from an Insurance company.



I suggest you get input from several actual Canadians, if you can find any. There are 300 million of us, and about 20 million Canukistanis.

33 million. I live 2 hours from the Canadian border, and spend quite a bit of time vacationing up there. Most Canadians think it is fine.

Of course, there are very few actual Canukistanis.



Huh? The media worships UHC wherever it occurs. Keep in mind the video you are so fond of is a soft ball interview by Bill Moyer (an ultra liberal) of a most likely disgruntled ex-employee. It aired on PBS which by far the most liberal media outlet in the entire USA! And you believe it? Yeesh.

If you actually bothered to watch the video, you'd realize that he quit, despite being completely satisfied with his job. He was an executive of the company, and was at the highest position he could possibly be in.

He quit after he realized what was wrong with the industry.

Are you against free speech too?

Now listen, I suggest you do another thing. How about tallying up the number of Insurance companies there are that offer health insurance products. Do a realistic estimate of the number of people employed by those companies. That number represents the number of people that will lose their jobs to UHC.

Still love UHC?

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

That's an ad hominem.

Yes losing jobs would be unfortunate; However, it won't all happen at once, and most, if not all, will be able to find work elsewhere. It's an unfortunate trade off, but worth it.