[Levi Jones]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9403chap.asp

LOOOOONNGGGG papist copypaste deleted.

celibate. And if he wants to marry? Then he can do so, without pursuing the priestly vocation.

Why is this in this thread? Did you manage to hijack it, catlicker troll?

Your church just got tired of hereditary lines like the Borgias having children as barely kept secrets.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Does the Catholic Church forbid marriage? Not at all. It forbids marriage to no one.

unmarried priests may not marry

Which is it?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Happy_Athiest]

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Reason 12:
Atheists support gay marriages yet also believe in evolution (and have the nerve to call it natural selection!) They are too stupid to see the paradox.

Reason 13:
Atheists think is makes sense to give wheelchair retards the best parking spaces even though the lazy cripples don't even have to walk.

So now your generalizing all athiests but stating they support gay marriages.

Reason 13 I actually find offencive and also disturbing that the Christians have not even reacted to it.

Parking spaces have nothing to do with religous practices but more to do with common curtesy and kindness(that thing which Jesus preached).

People born with disabilities are also "Gods creations" are they not ? The Old Testament doesn't state other wise.

I am sure they if could walk they would embrace the chance to do.

And to think you don't ban people for such comments.

[Bobby-Joe]

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So now your generalizing all athiests but stating they support gay marriages.

Reason 13 I actually find offencive and also disturbing that the Christians have not even reacted to it.

Parking spaces have nothing to do with religous practices but more to do with common curtesy and kindness(that thing which Jesus preached).

People born with disabilities are also "Gods creations" are they not ? The Old Testament doesn't state other wise.

I am sure they if could walk they would embrace the chance to do.

And to think you don't ban people for such comments.

What you know about what Jesus TRUELY(tm) preached sinner? You think men came from sea worms. Were dealing with FACTS(r) here not made up secularist nonsense.

[Meek and Humble]

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So now your generalizing all athiests but stating they support gay marriages.

So you don't support gay marriage?

Reason 13 I actually find offencive and also disturbing that the Christians have not even reacted to it.

Yes, we should have reacted more appropriately. We should have congratulated the poster who made that comment for understanding so well the will of God.

Parking spaces have nothing to do with religous practices but more to do with common curtesy and kindness(that thing which Jesus preached).

Can you show me one single verse from the Bible where Jesus mentions courtesy or kindness?

People born with disabilities are also "Gods creations" are they not ? The Old Testament doesn't state other wise.

No, but the Old Testament does say God created evil.
2 Kings 6:33 And while he yet talked with them, behold, the messenger came down unto him: and he said, Behold, this evil is of the LORD; what should I wait for the LORD any longer?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

As you can see, just because God creates something doesn't mean it's good.

I am sure they if could walk they would embrace the chance to do.

No. The Bible says if cripples wanted to walk, they could, if they had faith.

John 5:5And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
7The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
8Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
9And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
10The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.
11He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
12Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
13And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.
14Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.


Mark 2:7Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only? 8And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
9Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?
10But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
11I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.
12And immediately he arose, took up the bed, and went forth before them all; insomuch that they were all amazed, and glorified God, saying, We never saw it on this fashion.

And to think you don't ban people for such comments.

I agree, you are very lucky we haven't banned you for your hateful comments!

[Brother Temperance]

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People born with disabilities are also "Gods creations" are they not ?

So you admit that God exists and you just pretend not to believe in him to be awkward?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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So you admit that God exists and you just pretend not to believe in him to be awkward?

Another Godmocker goes down to defeat!


Can someone give Brother Temperance a medal for using the Holy Spirit to squash atheist scum in debate? Shout GLORY!!

[Happy_Athiest]

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So you don't support gay marriage?

Whatever makes someone happy in this life is up to them. Be growing flowers, planting trees or spending time with their partner.

Did God crate them Gay ? If so then creation is flawed.

Yes, we should have reacted more appropriately. We should have congratulated the poster who made that comment for understanding so well the will of God.

How do you know what the "will of God" is ? Has he sent you a personal message ?

Can you show me one single verse from the Bible where Jesus mentions courtesy or kindness?

Mathew 8, verses 1 thru 3: 'When he came down from the mountainside, large crowds followed him. A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean." Jesus reached out his hand and touched the man. "I am willing," he said. "Be clean!" Immediately he was cured of his leprosy.' Jesus expressed kindness when he reached out his hand and said to the man "I am willing". Jesus was sympathetic to the man's condition. Jesus saw the man's faith. Leprosy was a dreaded disease and lepers were avoided and shunned. By reaching out His hand and touching the man, Jesus was demonstrating kindness. Jesus didn't stop there, He showed forth goodness by performing a miracle when He said to the man "Be clean!" and the man was cured of his leprosy.

There is old saying "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

Meaning treat someone with kindness and courtesy if you wish the same in return.

Actions speak louder than words. Do you think Jesus would have helped or hindered someone with disabilities ?

No, but the Old Testament does say God created evil.
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As you can see, just because God creates something doesn't mean it's good.

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People with disabiltles aren't evil to my knowledge.

Some 2000 years ago when people highly supterstitous and fearful then the effect of Jesus touching could have strong effects.

It's what called mind of matter.

If a cripple can walk of faith alone then can a man fly on a faith alone ?

With enough faith will in rain Africa so the starving millions can be saved ? Since there is possible 1000's of evanglists there then the must be prayers to match.

I agree, you are very lucky we haven't banned you for your hateful comments!

So far I have seen hatred towards athiets, crippled people and homosexuals.

I neither like or dislike you. I don't know anyone here well to do so. If you interuppt my questions as hateful then that is your own fault.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Jesus expressed kindness when he reached out his hand and said to the man "I am willing". Jesus was sympathetic to the man's condition.

It doesn't say that. You are wrongly assuming that the reason Jesus healed the sick was out of sympathy for their condition. If that were true, then why didn't he heal all the lepers, all the blind, and all the lame, instead of just a few people here and there while a crowd was watching?

Instead of trying to guess the reason and ascribe motives, let's read what the Bible has to say about why Jesus healed people. The reason Jesus healed people was as a sign and wonder to show people He was God, to make the works of God manifest. We know this, because He said that was the reason in John 9.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Happy_Athiest]

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Some people are happy after they kill people. Why do you support murder?

I don't support murder since I belive life is sacred. Thou shalt not kill is one the most important beliefs of Christianity.

But God did to seem to murder alot people in the Old Testmament.

To answer your first question, yes, God creates people gay:

This seems contradictory to what you stated below.

To answer your second question, no creation is not flawed:

If creation is now flawed then why does God create people who are gay ?

As being hetrosexual is viewed as normal then being being gay is flawed.

Humans are by design meant to procreate with with opposite sex.

He's sent all of mankind a personal message. It's called the Bible.

But I am led to belive that as mortal mankind can never comprehend the purpose of God. We are as mortals meant to incaple of doing so.

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May I ask why you are plagiarizing from here: http://www.d-u-c-k-s.com/new_page_13.htm

Just as I suspected, as an atheist you have no knowledge of the Bible, but you are so full of evil pride you refuse to admit this, and instead resort to your lot's usual tricks - lying and stealing. You should be ashamed of yourself, but you won't be, as I know you have no conscience.
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It's an example of one Christian group stating that Jesus healed the lepor of out kindness and compassion while another states he didn't.

So who of the two groups has the correct interpretation of that passage ?

There is other example of Jesus being kind:

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

So Jesus healed "all manner of sickness" in Galilee. Did he do so just to show off or was it an act of kindness ?

Matthew 14:14 When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick.
If Jesus had no compassion for people then why continue to heal their ailments as he travelled from town to town?


Matthew 15:32 Jesus called his disciples to him and said, "I have compassion for these people; they have already been with me three days and have nothing to eat. I do not want to send them away hungry, or they may collapse on the way."

Jesus showing compassion to the those without food.

As Jesus is God, the creator of the universe, He is responsible for all of the disabled people who have ever lived. Think about that.

I don't recall Jesus instructing his Apostles that there evil.

Does that also explain how Jesus turned water into wine, exorcised demons, healed every disease, cured lepers, stopped fevers, stopped a storm, raised the dead, cured hemorrhages, gave sight to the blind, healed withered hands, made the dumb talk, fed five thousand with two loaves and five fishes, walked on water, let the deaf hear, cured dropsy, cursed a fig tree, reformed the ear of a man who had had it sliced off by a sword, resurrected from the dead, and ascended into heaven. Does it?

In order for Jesus to appear divine then miracles would have be recorded. Without those miraces he wouldn't be known The Savio. But all those actions show acts of kindness. Every act performed meant there was a motive behind it. In Jesus' case it was to help and aid those who were in need.

We do not hate. We show the utmost love. If we hated them, we would allow them to wallow in their filthy sins and go to hell. But we love them so much we tell them how evil they are in hopes they get saved.

Why do you assume that disabled people are evil ? How are they full sin ? Would you the say the same if your own child was born blind or with a disability. Isn't it prejuding someone just because they are different ?

A child in the womb doesn't ask to born disabled and they aren't to blame if they are.


Now you have me cunfused.

As an inquistive person should I consider being a Christian who without doubt will accuse disabled people of being sinners. Should I have no compassion, kindness or feelings towards people and watch them suffer.

It would seem to contraduct the "frock wearing Pontiffs" vision of Christianty which is that compassion, kindness, peace and uniting everyone in the name Christ.

If that is the type of Christian you me want to become then I am saddened.

I was always told to be kind towards others, to treat people with respect and that we are were created equal. I was told not to judge a books by its cover but to read the pages first.

But it looks as though you want me to be the opposite. So which is it to be ?

[Nobar King]

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I was always told to be kind towards others, to treat people with respect and that we are were created equal. I was told not to judge a books by its cover but to read the pages first.

I think you're mistaking the Bible for Bambi, the movie.

[Eight or Better]

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I think you're mistaking the Bible for Bambi, the movie.

That or he's been watching too much Oprah

[Happy_Athiest]

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Don't lie to me. You are an atheist. You could care less about the beliefs of Christianity and think nothing is sacred. You want to kill everybody you meet on the street, I bet.

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I am actually Agnostic and don't believe or disbelive in the presence of God. I have also never wished to harm anyone and it is my belief that violence doesn't solve problems but will often create more of them.

Some Athiests aren't violent people but more often than relgious extremeists are.

I think you're mistaking the Bible for Bambi, the movie.

Yes I'd agree The Old Testament contains murder, stoning to death, genoside and punishment.

The New Testament is wrote by the Apostles who like all men have their biases and prejudices.

I am not sure you are aware but Shariah Law is based on the Old Testmament and it is the reason why "adulterers" are still stoned to death and public executions are still happening.

Is that how want to America to be, some type of Christian fundalmentalist country without courts of law etc ?

So why did God give us the Bible, hmm?

The Old Testament and its Laws were handed to Moses in time when there was laws to speak off. Ancient Egypt is a good example when Royal Dynasty often commited incest and murder. So some type consequence had to be created for those actions.

The New Testament as stated was wrote by the Apostles witnessing the acts of Jesus as he travelled the land. Like all friends the accounts they give may not always be objective.

When you copy and paste something and make it look like it's your own, that's called stealing. As a thief, you have no grounds to tell anyone else about morality.

Maybe I prefer to DUCKS interpretation of Jesus actions as he is portrayed as being compassionate and kind.

Since leporsy in those times meant being outcast then wouldn't Jesus giving the man a human touch be an act of kindess.

You avoided answering the question though. Who has the right interpretation of that passage.

They are being punished for their parents' sins.

I am sure there must devout Christians who had children that were born with a disability.

It's quite presumptious to assume that everyone born with a disability has parents who sinned.

They are genuine Christians.

The Popes message seems to differ compared to yours. While the Pope tells us that Jesus was kind and that we should do the same to each other.

Your message would seem to be the hellfire and brimstone approach and that The Bible doesn't show acts of kindness but should be used as form of punishment.

And you turned out an atheist. Surprise, surprise.

There is Christians I know who would talk to me in civil manner and ask why I altered my beliefs. They would ask me what caused such an event to happen in my life. They wouldn't automatically assume I was wrong but rather they would try to find why and understand my reasons for doing so.

I was afterall not born a "disbeliver" but events in life have made me change my beliefs.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I was afterall not born a "disbeliver" but events in life have made me change my beliefs.

Now we're getting somewhere. Please go make a thread of your own in the "introductions" section and tell us what lead you to abandon Jesus.

We can help heal that pain, friend. Jesus has called you here for a reason.

[Ignorant Forums]

Re: 101 reasons why Atheists are WRONG !!!

Reason No. 1 - The Holy Bible!

Atheists 'claim' that God doesn't exist, yet the Bible proves them WRONG! I can see the Bible, hold it in my hand, and know 1000% that it exists! As God wrote the Bible, this proves that he MUST EXIST too! How dumb these Atheists are!

I can write a book and say I am God. Not to mention the bible is defined as "The words of God", I don't remember seeing it called "The word of God". That would mean God did not write it.
Reason No. 2 - Evil-ution from Monkeys!

If we really evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys STILL exist? Surely they would've evolved too? And why don't we have tails or swing from trees or speak in monkey-talk? These atheists must be pretty deluded to believe such nonsense!

It is painfully obvious that you are ignorant and deluded, like most people on these forums. It is extremely possible that only a certain strain of monkeys evolved, passing the DNA on to its children, all while the others with the old DNA still reproduce. However you never even considered such a possibility.

Reason No. 3 - The 'Big Bang'

Atheists believe there was a 'Big Bang' which created the Earth and the Universe and all things?? Well, what created the 'Big Bang'?? And what was there before it 'banged'??? Ask ANY atheist - they won't be able to answer you! Why? Because God created the 'Big Bang'! And then went on to create the Earth and everything in just 6 days! Praise Jesus!

Just as we can't prove how the big bang got there, you can't prove how God got there. In your logic, God was always there, but applying that logic to the big bang, that would mean in theory it is just as possible that the contents of the big bang always existed.
Reason No. 4 - Dinosaurs

Most dumb atheists believe that man and dinosaurs didn't inhabit the Earth at the same time. However, we know this to be a LIE! Didn't Noah ride dinosaurs onto the Ark? Aren't Dinosaurs mentioned throughout the Bible?

Do you have any proof that the story of Noah's Ark is true at all? I read a book and they mentioned batman, that must mean batman is real too right?

Checkmate - Atheist!

Maybe when you can support your arguement with
facts, instead of ideas you will win.