[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

If I have to deal with this as fellow christians, then I am ashamed to call myself a Christian.

We are also ashamed that you call yourself a Christian. There you are, we have some thing in common.

[Dynamic]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Mhmm... okay.
So your saying just because I rely on common sense and logic means that I'm a ungrateful sinner and will be condemned to Hell?

[Basilissa]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Mhmm... okay.
So your saying just because I rely on common sense and logic means that I'm a ungrateful sinner and will be condemned to Hell?

I am not saying it. God, however, does:

1 Corinthians 1:19-21
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Read more here:

God hates rational thinking.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Mhmm... okay.
So your saying just because I rely on common sense and logic means that I'm a ungrateful sinner and will be condemned to Hell?

Pretty much, yes. At least while your "logic" contradicts the True Logic of the Bible.

[Dynamic]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

I am not saying it. God, however, does:

1 Corinthians 1:19-21
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Read more here:

God hates rational thinking.

Unbelieveable. So rational thinking is just purely banned? Then why did God, and only God allows us to have rational thinking If God himself hates it?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

If you were to move over a bit more, you'd see only the beginnings of the Bible, first days.

What does this mean, dear?

Second, "hang my head in shame"?!? Is that your method of telling me to go kill yourself? Hohoho... that's just, no. No, no and no.

Not quite. You see, that particular poster is what we refer to as one of the Spiritually Walking Dead. He's devoid of faith, like you, but doesn't pretend to have any, unlike you. He's referring to your tacit support of a religious ideology and subsequent application through biblical behavior of which he does not approve. Curiously, you seem to not approve of them either, despite your identifying as a Christian.

I think, and may Jesus forgive me for saying, but I think Didymus is suggesting you are just as much to "blame" for various public policies that discourage people from trying out homosexuality by legalizing a government sanctioned righteous approach to employment, housing, and bullying in public schools through such policies as systematic inopportunity, punishments, and public shaming. Of course we know people who try out such a lifestyle would be mere clowns if they weren't so dangerous to society in general, and must be stopped. Their recruit methods must be called out each and every time.

And uniting people together with Christians, but to bring others into Christianity as well. Therefore, uniting non-Christians too by convincing, and another thing...

Well that's an ideological dead end as people will simply invent their own faith, just as you have. Why would anyone be convinced yours is right when they can create their own, taylor made to their whims?

I will NOT settle my logic and basic common sense just because of some added lines from the Bible.

Read: I will NOT base my knowledge and moral code on the Word of God, who I think I believe is the ultimate source of knowledge and morality. Why bother?

Christian or not, face me in full truth and expect to get some repercussions. If I have to deal with this as fellow christians, then I am ashamed to call myself a Christian.
Common sense =/= blind, untruthful trash from the Lord's grateful grasp.

So far your "repercussions" have been mere foolishness. Care to try for real?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Mhmm... okay.
So your saying just because I rely on common sense and logic means that I'm a ungrateful sinner and will be condemned to Hell?

Not quite. It's the other way around, dear. Because you are an ungrateful sinner, you have opted to make common sense and logic your god. The Bible tells us you cannot serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and critical thinking (Matthew 6:24). And yes, until you accept Christ in faith, you are condemned already (John 3:18).

[Basilissa]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Unbelieveable. So rational thinking is just purely banned? Then why did God, and only God allows us to have rational thinking If God himself hates it?

Great question. I'd say it's for the same reason He created the devil - so that He could send most of humanity to .

I mean, what would have been the reason to create Hell, if it were to remain empty?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

[OneFailure]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

I'll do that next time

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

..uniting people together with Christians, but to bring others into Christianity as well. Therefore, uniting non-Christians too by convincing, etc.

Does that include non-Christians who think everyone denying whatever revelation they're claiming should be murdered? Sometimes they'll allow enslavement as an option. How do you unite those people?

I will NOT settle my logic and basic common sense just because of some added lines from the Bible.

I'm just curious about the highlighted bit here: added to what?

.….gay.….

You seem to be saying that what God commanded is wrong. Why, then, do you worship Him? If the gay is OK now, what about murder? Is that OK too? Looting? Perjury?

This thread is actually about furries however so I'll just come back to that topic,

Not all furies practice excessive adornment

I'll do that next time

The fursuit is itself adornment and I maintain that any adornment totally obscuring the person wearing it is excessive.

But I hope I'm not unreasonable and can see there are exceptions.

For instance certain duck outfits may not obscure the entire body but are quite unacceptable for Christians. Now you're probably thinking "Oh but I can stick feathers all over the lower part of my person!" and that's true. You could. But then we're back to square one, aren't we.

We are not in the world for yiffing, clopping or mosh-pits. We are here to praise Jesus and to share The Good News with others in these last days. As is evident, sadly, most people would rather just make up stuff for themselves and then lie about it.

Revelation 21:23-27 The city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Does that include non-Christians who think everyone denying whatever revelation they're claiming should be murdered? Sometimes they'll allow enslavement as an option. How do you unite those people?

I'm just curious about the highlighted bit here: added to what?

You seem to be saying that what God commanded is wrong. Why, then, do you worship Him? If the gay is OK now, what about murder? Is that OK too? Looting? Perjury?

This thread is actually about furries however so I'll just come back to that topic,

The fursuit is itself adornment and I maintain that any adornment totally obscuring the person wearing it is excessive.

But I hope I'm not unreasonable and can see there are exceptions.

For instance certain duck outfits may not obscure the entire body but are quite unacceptable for Christians. Now you're probably thinking "Oh but I can stick feathers all over the lower part of my person!" and that's true. You could. But then we're back to square one, aren't we.

We are not in the world for yiffing, clopping or mosh-pits. We are here to praise Jesus and to share The Good News with others in these last days. As is evident, sadly, most people would rather just make up stuff for themselves and then lie about it.

Revelation 21:23-27 The city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The key, sister Mitza, is every time one person claims for unifying Christianity, is always under their own interpretation of Christianity. That makes unification really easy in their minds.
This applies for unification in any field under any circumstances.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

I had the misfortune to hear a "lecture" from the Unification "church" once. What a bunch of loonies! Furry apologists go even further, seeking not only to unite Christians with unregenerate heathens but promoting unity among the disparate heathen groups themselves! Even when the news is full of slightly different heathen sects supposedly following the same idol but blowing one another up like there's no tomorrow?

It's the fursuit. Perhaps inside one the world is fuzzy and a moon idol seems like a slightly different version of the fluffy elephant idol with a million arms but they're all bunny rabbits really..

[OneFailure]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

Does that include non-Christians who think everyone denying whatever revelation they're claiming should be murdered? Sometimes they'll allow enslavement as an option. How do you unite those people?

I'm just curious about the highlighted bit here: added to what?

You seem to be saying that what God commanded is wrong. Why, then, do you worship Him? If the gay is OK now, what about murder? Is that OK too? Looting? Perjury?

This thread is actually about furries however so I'll just come back to that topic,

The fursuit is itself adornment and I maintain that any adornment totally obscuring the person wearing it is excessive.

But I hope I'm not unreasonable and can see there are exceptions.

For instance certain duck outfits may not obscure the entire body but are quite unacceptable for Christians. Now you're probably thinking "Oh but I can stick feathers all over the lower part of my person!" and that's true. You could. But then we're back to square one, aren't we.

We are not in the world for yiffing, clopping or mosh-pits. We are here to praise Jesus and to share The Good News with others in these last days. As is evident, sadly, most people would rather just make up stuff for themselves and then lie about it.

Revelation 21:23-27 The city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

There are exceptions

[Didymus Much]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

There are exceptions

Says who?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Can furries go to Heaven?

The sphere is the form of the angels. To man it is given to be only an incomplete angel. And yet, more perfect than the Cylinder, less perfect than the Sphere, from the Barrel radiates the hyper-physical body. We, its isomorph, are passing fair.

Originally declaimed by Père Ubu on page 383 of the pdf link [RIGHT] the plural "We" is not the royal we as quoted here although it was, tripping from Ubu's bulbous lips. How's everyone's week going? I see the thread is moving along nicely; I was reminded of a barrel supposedly the least likely shape to sink in whirlpools and maybe one or two points will bear repeating without seeming to circle around forever. Perhaps a question & answer format?

QUESTIONS IN GREEN

..uniting people together with Christians, but to bring others into Christianity as well. Therefore, uniting non-Christians too by convincing, etc.

Does that include non-Christians who think everyone denying whatever revelation they're claiming should be murdered?

I will NOT settle my logic and basic common sense just because of some added lines from the Bible.

I'm just curious about the highlighted bit here: added. to what?

.….gay.….

You seem to be saying that what God commanded is wrong. Why, then, do you worship Him? If the gay is OK now, what about murder? Is that OK too? Looting? Perjury?

That's 3 questions so far. I'll collate them as I go.

1. How do you unite groups when one group thinks the others should be murdered?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
2. “Added lines from the Bible” - Added to what?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
3. If God's Law is obsolete, are murder looting and perjury now OK?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)

Next we looked at outcomes. Having established that fursuits constitute excessive adornment or (in the case of duck suits) lewdness, I was happy to post God's information concerning these defilements. Such abominations, which include lying about the fur, are absolutely excluded from the future utopia promised by Jesus in The Bible. I posted relevant Scripture. Note in particular the words there shall in no wise enter into it.

Revelation 21:23-27 The city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

There are exceptions

That was not actually a question - my quote is pretty watertight. But as none of the other questions have been answered I'll include this as number 4.

Equipped as we are with barrels, descending into whirlpools need not intimidate us: I'm adopting a world view some recent posters may understand. That means listing questions more simply. Less complex. Number 4 then will become number 8.

1. How do you unite groups when one group thinks the others should be murdered?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
2. “Added lines from the Bible” - Added to what?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
3. If God's Law is obsolete, is murder now OK?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
4. How about looting?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
5. Perjury?
   • ANSWER: (no answer yet)
6. Neither abominable wretches nor liars nor defilers nor those themselves defiled get into bliss Heaven.
   
   
7. They don't get into any sort of Heaven.
   
   
8. There are no exceptions.
   • ANSWER: There are exceptions

Imagine your name's been written in the Lamb's book of life. There you are going up and down for Jesus, every knee & tongue having confessed Jesus as Lord of all, praising Him incessantly forever when that thing [LEFT] turns up gawping over your shoulder in fact you can feel something pressing against your back which you'd hoped you'd never feel again.

Would you stop praising Jesus?

Would you in that moment have your attention diverted? Heaven is a place where after you've told Jesus how wonderful He is and then told Him again, you shout it out with song and with infinite joy for an infinite amount of time before telling Him how wonderful He is for ever and ever. Could a person even fit inside a rooster fursuit? This is how it's done.