[James Hutchins]

Re: Response to your articles on Goth

Well Gene, the Bible tells us we are blessed by your persecution.

Very clever screen name, how old are you, 16? I bet you got a cool black duster for Christmas last year from grandma.

We know about you goth people eating babies, it is a well known fact, so do not think for one minute we buy into your 'innocent' routine. And you call True Christians(tm) terrible? People who follow Gods word EXACTLY as it is written? Why do you hate baby Jesus?

[daywalker1966]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

It is interesting to me how you so swiftly responded to my message in your very hate filled board, and without so much as havingeven the common decency to look at the links I posted you deleted them and called them satanic.

Let me ask you something, do you think that if Jesus Christ walked into your church filled with judgemental hypocrites and bashers of others that he would be pleased with your attitudes? You would be useless to Jesus in any attempt he would make to convert others.

Since you seem to want to pretend you represent him (when in fact your are blasphemers and draggers of his name through a cesspool) then let me tell you what I, a Christian Goth, recently read of Jesus in the bible when I took my study time in the evening to read of him and learn of him, if you dare to read my words, sons of snakes:

Jesus was a man of love, something in no way represented in your posts on this web site. He did NOT judge people on the basis of their appearance, but what was in their minds and hearts. He baptised them because they came to him willingly to follow him. There was no face slapping condemnations, there was nothing about clothing, eating cereal, sleeping too much or spending time alone, which are all natural things to do.

Jesus also walked among sinners to convert them.

Mr. Hutchins, I will address you directly. I am assuming the picture posted is not you, if it is and you base your judgements off of appearance, then please be aware you resemble Anton LaVey. Your attitude also resembles his.

First off sir, am I persecuting you? I have not used any profanities or screaming insults, I have merely addressed your disrespect from your "church" as you have done to the goth sub culture, which you know nothing of except for having picked up a few photos of the internet. I could also show you photos of some victorian goths who would display the proper image but you would run like a coward and delete them so that the world could read your slanderous hate messages toward goths. Actually people like you would have any you met burned at the stake if you could, in your self righteousness which is horribly evedent through your posts.

In answer to your questions, no I am not a sixteen year old, someone you would do better with because they would most likely not be educated enough to deal with you. I am a parent, literate and educated as you can tell. Would you prefer some child who cannot spell and would fall easily under your ill mannered and insulting response?

Tell me something, Mr. Hutchins, would you replace your name or any of your fellow's names with Jesus Christ and imagine him condemning with the hate messages you do? Would you want a God of love and compassion who urged people to turn from sin reading your posts? Would you want to be judged by himby the same standards that you jkudge others (goths) on ignorant and unedacated hate filled standards? I doubt it you would go straight to hell.

So where did you get you supposed information on goths eating babies, or is that simply your childish little insult? Is that what you would say to someone dressed in black who came to you and said "I have a few questions about Jesus." Would you saw "sure, as a representative of him I'd be happy to answer questions you might have!" Or would you angrily scream "get away from me you evil thing, dressed in black and burn in hell!!" Somehow I wonder.

Goths dont eat babies, Hutchins, and if you ever were around any goths you would both know that and also know that anyone who committed child murder would never let you leave to tell about it. Grow up!

I really dont care, Mr. Hutchins, if you "buy" what you call an innocent act on my part. First off, you and your minions condemn publicly a subculture you know nothing of while pretending to love Jesus which is pure blasphemy in itself, second, I am a sinning human being like you and everyone else. There are no innocent people on planet earth. Charlatans who condemn in hate filled posts are by no means innocent.

So you think you follow the bible exactly as it is written do you? Your posts, yours and your fellows, are so overloaded with hate and blasphemy toward others that I can list the sins you commit easily: Blasphemy, judgementalism, condemnation, lying, arrogance and self righteousness, deceit, bearing flase witness, just to name a few.

Did I saw I hated baby Jesus or are those your words? If I was the satanist you claim I am, I would not take offense to your misrepresentations of Jesus as I do.

What motivated me to write to your readers in the first place were two things: First off it tears me up inside to know that there are goths, teen goths and parents who will read your words, think they are truth and do near witch hunt leel attacks on their kids and family members that are unjustified and will do massive, irrepairable damage, AND the fact that many people will get the idea that your posts actually represent Jesus and it will send their Christianity or inquiries backwards light years.

The other motivation is, as I have said, I know goth from the inside. Allow me to share:

I go to a club in my town where goths get together and dance to loud music, share drinks and enjoy each others company. We come and go without worries because we are doing nothing illegal or wrong and no one bothers with us. There are those who have their dark motives, and the rest of us, including me, simply leave them alone and if God wants to deal with them we let it be his battle.

Many of us, including me, dress in victorian fashions, including long coats, ruffle shirts and in my case top hats. I wear various jewelry that features crosses and angels. I have been to a local baptist church many times as well as others, in this same clothing minus the top hat. I spent time in one of their temples praying and was baptised by the pastor wearing a choker that had crosses on it made for the occasion.

I enjoy antiques, candles, and both classical symphony and rock music.

One other thing, Mr. Hutchins, for your information, I would welcome the return of Jesus with a fervour you cannot imagine. I am sick of being in a world filled with hypocrites and liars like you who have been responsible for the persecuting of people who were different than you countless times. I live for the day when the atheists, God haters and they lying false Christians will no longer be able to do what youget away with now.

njoy it while you can, according to the bible you claim to follow, the work of Satan is for but a short time, and if you turly believe that then you had best re read your posts and consider your attitudes.

Before deleting my links, I would bet my house that none ofyou had the guts to check them out. What were you afraid of, hmmmmmm? Afraid you might have to eat your hypocricies and admit that Goths are people and many of them are Christians? Afraid you might actualloy learn something? Why not? Darkness cannot hide when exposed to light, my friend. It's okay, a simple search for christian goths is all it takes to find us, and your people might be that smart, just too cowardly. I knew another pastor with the same exact problem. He could not admit that a goth pastor knew more than him and he stopped speaking.

Oh, by the way, as far as being a 16 year old, check you own entries because I've seen that drivel only from young children filled with anger. Most of them grow up.

The name Daywalker comes from a mechanic here who say me in an overcoat and kidded me about my look.. He started calling me that and when he saw me he'd yell "hey, my old friend Daywalker." I liked it and it stuck.

[Nobar King]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Dear Mr. Goth bold-texter:
I noticed that in your original post you were browsing the internet looking for goth art and that you were shocked when you reached this web forum. Well, visiting a church often has that effect on demons and evil spirits. You've pretty much shown what direction you are leaning spiritually thru your comments and I'm going to say a prayer for you that you may grow up, take that stupid ring out of your lip, put on some normal clothes, and become a saved Christian and a productive member of society.

God bless.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

It is interesting to me how you so swiftly responded to my message in your very hate filled board, and without so much as havingeven the common decency to look at the links I posted you deleted them and called them satanic.

Let me ask you something, do you think that if Jesus Christ walked into your church filled with judgemental hypocrites and bashers of others that he would be pleased with your attitudes? You would be useless to Jesus in any attempt he would make to convert others.
Since you seem to want to pretend you represent him (when in fact your are blasphemers and draggers of his name through a cesspool) then let me tell you what I, a Christian Goth, recently read of Jesus in the bible when I took my study time in the evening to read of him and learn of him, if you dare to read my words, sons of snakes:

Jesus was a man of love, something in no way represented in your posts on this web site. He did NOT judge people on the basis of their appearance, but what was in their minds and hearts. He baptised them because they came to him willingly to follow him. There was no face slapping condemnations, there was nothing about clothing, eating cereal, sleeping too much or spending time alone, which are all natural things to do.

Jesus also walked among sinners to convert them.

What a wall of text! You do know you could of sad the same thing in two or three sentences. Being verbose like this is a sign of a "hard sell". We are not buying it.
It is obvious you have not read the entire KJV Bible
God commands those that have repented to judge their fellow man.
God hates those that are not with Him.

Mr. Hutchins, I will address you directly. I am assuming the picture posted is not you, if it is and you base your judgements off of appearance, then please be aware you resemble Anton LaVey. Your attitude also resembles his.

First off sir, am I persecuting you? I have not used any profanities or screaming insults, I have merely addressed your disrespect from your "church" as you have done to the goth sub culture, which you know nothing of except for having picked up a few photos of the internet. I could also show you photos of some victorian goths who would display the proper image but you would run like a coward and delete them so that the world could read your slanderous hate messages toward goths. Actually people like you would have any you met burned at the stake if you could, in your self righteousness which is horribly evedent through your posts.

In answer to your questions, no I am not a sixteen year old, someone you would do better with because they would most likely not be educated enough to deal with you. I am a parent, literate and educated as you can tell. Would you prefer some child who cannot spell and would fall easily under your ill mannered and insulting response?

No, I am not that "Anton" person. You know my name. Interesting failed attempt at trying to insult/discredit me, then in the same breath, claim you are not doing it.
We have seen the pictures of the 'gothsters', all a bunch a 'look at me, I am different, well, different from people who love life and Jesus, but the same as all other gothsters".
We only delete mindless ramblings. I was going to have this post of yours deleted but felt I'd respond. This time.
We do not burn people at the stake, are you really so caught up in your ridiculous fantasy as to believe that?
I thought you were 16 as it is typical of a normal little kid to play dress up. When an adult does it, it is a sign of mental illness (or demons). Poor spelling is normally a sign the person is from the UK as they seem to be particularly poorly educated for some reason.

Tell me something, Mr. Hutchins, would you replace your name or any of your fellow's names with Jesus Christ and imagine him condemning with the hate messages you do? Would you want a God of love and compassion who urged people to turn from sin reading your posts? Would you want to be judged by himby the same standards that you jkudge others (goths) on ignorant and unedacated hate filled standards? I doubt it you would go straight to hell.

Are you insane (or has that already been determined)? Replace my name with His?
I follow Gods Word as written in the Bible. He is full of love and compassion only if you are with Him. Go against Him and He will smite you. Plain and simple. You should read the Bible. Those that go against Him, we are charged with the responsibility to get them to change their ways. I would respond to the rest of that paragraph but it is written in a manner or language I do not understand and would hate to 'mis-interpret'.

So where did you get you supposed information on goths eating babies, or is that simply your childish little insult? Is that what you would say to someone dressed in black who came to you and said "I have a few questions about Jesus." Would you saw "sure, as a representative of him I'd be happy to answer questions you might have!" Or would you angrily scream "get away from me you evil thing, dressed in black and burn in hell!!" Somehow I wonder.

Goths dont eat babies, Hutchins, and if you ever were around any goths you would both know that and also know that anyone who committed child murder would never let you leave to tell about it. Grow up!

It is common knowledge that Goths eat babies. Look here for yourself.

I really dont care, Mr. Hutchins, if you "buy" what you call an innocent act on my part. First off, you and your minions condemn publicly a subculture you know nothing of while pretending to love Jesus which is pure blasphemy in itself, second, I am a sinning human being like you and everyone else. There are no innocent people on planet earth. Charlatans who condemn in hate filled posts are by no means innocent.

So you think you follow the bible exactly as it is written do you? Your posts, yours and your fellows, are so overloaded with hate and blasphemy toward others that I can list the sins you commit easily: Blasphemy, judgementalism, condemnation, lying, arrogance and self righteousness, deceit, bearing flase witness, just to name a few.

Did I saw I hated baby Jesus or are those your words? If I was the satanist you claim I am, I would not take offense to your misrepresentations of Jesus as I do.

If you do not care, why are you writing all of this? Yes, we follow the Bible EXACTLY as written. You should read it before you express and opinion. Not reading it and trying to tell me what it says simply makes you appear to be a retard.
If you loved God, you would not be a Goth. Since you are a goth, you must hate Jesus. Again, real simple.

What motivated me to write to your readers in the first place were two things: First off it tears me up inside to know that there are goths, teen goths and parents who will read your words, think they are truth and do near witch hunt leel attacks on their kids and family members that are unjustified and will do massive, irrepairable damage, AND the fact that many people will get the idea that your posts actually represent Jesus and it will send their Christianity or inquiries backwards light years.

The other motivation is, as I have said, I know goth from the inside. Allow me to share:

I go to a club in my town where goths get together and dance to loud music, share drinks and enjoy each others company. We come and go without worries because we are doing nothing illegal or wrong and no one bothers with us. There are those who have their dark motives, and the rest of us, including me, simply leave them alone and if God wants to deal with them we let it be his battle.

Many of us, including me, dress in victorian fashions, including long coats, ruffle shirts and in my case top hats. I wear various jewelry that features crosses and angels. I have been to a local baptist church many times as well as others, in this same clothing minus the top hat. I spent time in one of their temples praying and was baptised by the pastor wearing a choker that had crosses on it made for the occasion.

I enjoy antiques, candles, and both classical symphony and rock music.

By going against God, you have to accept the consequences, both now and then in the future.

One other thing, Mr. Hutchins, for your information, I would welcome the return of Jesus with a fervour you cannot imagine. I am sick of being in a world filled with hypocrites and liars like you who have been responsible for the persecuting of people who were different than you countless times. I live for the day when the atheists, God haters and they lying false Christians will no longer be able to do what youget away with now.

njoy it while you can, according to the bible you claim to follow, the work of Satan is for but a short time, and if you turly believe that then you had best re read your posts and consider your attitudes.

Before deleting my links, I would bet my house that none ofyou had the guts to check them out. What were you afraid of, hmmmmmm? Afraid you might have to eat your hypocricies and admit that Goths are people and many of them are Christians? Afraid you might actualloy learn something? Why not? Darkness cannot hide when exposed to light, my friend. It's okay, a simple search for christian goths is all it takes to find us, and your people might be that smart, just too cowardly. I knew another pastor with the same exact problem. He could not admit that a goth pastor knew more than him and he stopped speaking.

Oh, by the way, as far as being a 16 year old, check you own entries because I've seen that drivel only from young children filled with anger. Most of them grow up.

Apparently, you have not grown up.

The name Daywalker comes from a mechanic here who say me in an overcoat and kidded me about my look.. He started calling me that and when he saw me he'd yell "hey, my old friend Daywalker." I liked it and it stuck.

ROFL, I figured as much about the duster.

[daywalker1966]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I aggree with some of wht you say because I have read ..........

I read nothing in the ................................one of your recent responses to me............."stop masturbating and read the bible more" and I read nothing of a Jesus who spoke of hating others, except to condemn them for their hate. Jesus commanded people to love one another, not take web pages and broadcast hatred in his name.

Also in your pastor's e mail to me he informed me I was going where I am not wanted............................................ .............
"God wants to show you his love, all you have to do is follow his word unneringly and without question." Really? Had I gone into your church web page to ask about God and learn you found out that I was goth I'd have had the most disappointing experience humanly imaginable, and I would have left feeling that if this is what christianity is all about, forget it!

Not one of your people has stepped up to say "hey, let's cut the insults and talk." and followed it with a rational conversation that would make Christianity appealing. You offer nothing but insults.
............................................ Also I am sorry for not being clear on the LaVey comment. Going by your picture, if indeed it is you, I noticed a physical resemblance. I apologize, I should have gone by your attitude and I would have reached the same conclusion.

I am aware that you are not the leader of the church of Satan. Your pastor who sent me the e mail is.

Regards.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I aggree with some of wht you say because I have read ..........

Of course, because I and all my True Christian(tm) Church brethren are correct.

I read nothing in the ................................one of your recent responses to me............."stop masturbating and read the bible more" and I read nothing of a Jesus who spoke of hating others, except to condemn them for their hate. Jesus commanded people to love one another, not take web pages and broadcast hatred in his name.

I said nothing of your disgusting and hateful masturbating habits and resent the insinuation. If you want to spray your potential Soldiers for Christ(r) all over the ceiling of your parents house, so be it. God is who you need to discuss this with, not me.

Also in your pastor's e mail to me he informed me I was going where I am not wanted............................................ .............
"God wants to show you his love, all you have to do is follow his word unneringly and without question." Really? Had I gone into your church web page to ask about God and learn you found out that I was goth I'd have had the most disappointing experience humanly imaginable, and I would have left feeling that if this is what christianity is all about, forget it!

The Pastor thinks you are not wanted in Hell eithe? Wow, stuck inbetween is a bad place. You really should read the Bible.

Not one of your people has stepped up to say "hey, let's cut the insults and talk." and followed it with a rational conversation that would make Christianity appealing. You offer nothing but insults.
............................................ Also I am sorry for not being clear on the LaVey comment. Going by your picture, if indeed it is you, I noticed a physical resemblance. I apologize, I should have gone by your attitude and I would have reached the same conclusion.

We simply stated facts about Goths, to which you even agreed (see the first sentence of yours). You are the one to throw personal insults. In no way has anyone insulted you.

I am aware that you are not the leader of the church of Satan. Your pastor who sent me the e mail is.

Regards.

Of course no True Christian(tm) or Pastor is the leader of the Church of Satan, that would be one of you people. We believe in Jesus and the all Mighty Majesty of God and His Perfect Word(r).

[daywalker1966]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I'm not going to waste my time sending you a private message, suffice it to say that you must spend all of your time on your computer waiting to slam a goth because you are way quick on the draw with your responses.

You have jammed my inbox with your angry high speed responses. I remain unimpressedwith your supposed christianityh. All of your church's responses have been very nasty and in no way becoming of Godly men. Allow me to address your particular specific accusations, Mr. Hutchins:

1. Defending gothics, wiccans and other Satan inspired cults.

First off sir, you are LYING when you accuse me of this, and wicca, or witchcraft, never came into the picture one time. Also, Goth is a subculture and is not a cult, simple as that. Goth is not a religion.

2.Writing in a barely decipherable manner. I am an author, song writer and got all A's in english. Perhaps you are too illiterate andblatantly stupid and idiotic to understand something above two sylables. Not my problem.

3.Too many typos. Ah finally you're right about something. This is because I am going at rather a high speed and not overly concerned about missing a key here and there and am also communicating with evident two year old minds. I didn't think you would notice.

4. Hating God. This is an absolute, clear as crystal blatant lie, because as you can tell I have read the bible and thank god almighty in Heaven I do not share your attitude toward others, and had you checked the links I left rather than deleting them post haste (very fast) you would have found that Goth and Christian work well together. Your church mentioned to me that evil spirits and demons run quickly and become uncomfortable around Godly people, which to me explains why it is that you swiftly deleted my links and avoid any evidence that I speak the truth. You people ae the fastest I have ever seen to get mad at me for posting, you beat the atheists.

5. Lying about reading the bible. Clearly you cannot define the word lie Check your attitude against what I said, find out who the real liar is. Either that or, as I suspect, it is you who has only read the cover notes.

6. Making walls of text. Sorry, I just tend to actually use my brain for something rather than taking two or three paragraphs to spew hate. Atheists and christian debaters do the same thing when they disciss things rationally.

7.Insulting true christians everywhere with my hate. If you are referring to people who pretend to be Christians, quote bible verses to back their hate of others and slander others, those I call posers, false Christians and liars, evil people who wear a suit to church on sunday and preach deceit, indeed I hope to insult them, to the maximum. They are an offense to society, a blemish that should be destroyed. Monsters who falsely represent a God who cannot be found in their churches. "who replace the commands of god with the doctrines of men."

8. Excessive text. Sorry, it seemed no worse than reading entries by a place that calls itself a church, then uses the terms "gothtards" along with countless insults to point a finger at others in the supposed spirit of love.

I will post no more beyond this one in your web page, given you show me the same courtesy and do not pollute my e mail with your responses in the future. Fair enough?

Just one more thing before I go, it has been amusing. Does your church celebrate Christmas????? Christmas is an unholy celebration of Nimrod and his incestuous relationship with his wife/mother ishtar (Easter is also a commemoration of her, and sexual reproduction, hence the name, hence the rabbits and the eggs, which have nothing to do with Jesus, or did you know that the last time you celebrated Easter???) and Nirod MURDERED AND SACRIFICED BABIES in his Babylonian temple where he worshipped the Sun God, who's image it is that is the round balls on your idol, the Christmas tree.

The bible directly and specifically commands God's followers not to drag a tree from the forest and turn it into an idol, and Christmas IS FAVORED BY SOME WICCANS FOR IT'S IDOLATROUS AND PAGAN PRACTICES!

Guess what, evil hypocrites, your satanic cult practices paganism, slaps Jesus's name on it, and lies to people about it being Jesus's birthday! Guess what else, folks, yours truly never celebrated Christmas for these reasons.

You will burn in hell with the rest of us, you may get front row seats.

Daywalker Goth and Proud.

[Marshall]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Thats a lot of words. Don't you mean "I hate Jesus, spit on America and love fat people sex in graveyards dressed as a vampire homo"?

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Sir, I really liked your first post here, I was ready to agree with everything you said, and then suddenly you turned mean and nasty. Don't you need Jesus is crying in heaven watching how you insult and judge these people at Landover?

I don't agree with what they say either, but you could have been polite to them at least. The thing with Landover, they are quite open with stating they believe judging and insulting to be alright. You say otherwise, but you act just the same and are therefore a hypocrite. Your post is also filled with so much pride in yourself. I'll pray for your spirit friend.

There's no such thing as hell. Stop making out our loving Lord to be an eternally immoral monster.

Why would someone who seemed to get Jesus so well turn around and post this hate?

you must spend all of your time on your computer waiting to slam a goth because you are way quick on the draw with your responses.

I remain unimpressedwith your supposed christianityh.

Perhaps you are too illiterate andblatantly stupid and idiotic to understand something above two sylables.

This is because I am going at rather a high speed and not overly concerned about missing a key here and there and am also communicating with evident two year old minds.

Your church mentioned to me that evil spirits and demons run quickly and become uncomfortable around Godly people, which to me explains why it is that you swiftly deleted my links and avoid any evidence that I speak the truth.

Sorry, I just tend to actually use my brain for something rather than taking two or three paragraphs to spew hate.

If you are referring to people who pretend to be Christians, quote bible verses to back their hate of others and slander others, those I call posers, false Christians and liars, evil people who wear a suit to church on sunday and preach deceit, indeed I hope to insult them, to the maximum.

Guess what, evil hypocrites, your satanic cult practices paganism, slaps Jesus's name on it, and lies to people about it being Jesus's birthday!

You will burn in hell with the rest of us, you may get front row seats.

Daywalker Goth and Proud.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I'm not going to waste my time sending you a private message, suffice it to say that you must spend all of your time on your computer waiting to slam a goth because you are way quick on the draw with your responses.

You have jammed my inbox with your angry high speed responses. I remain unimpressedwith your supposed christianityh. All of your church's responses have been very nasty and in no way becoming of Godly men. Allow me to address your particular specific accusations, Mr. Hutchins:

1. Defending gothics, wiccans and other Satan inspired cults.

First off sir, you are LYING when you accuse me of this, and wicca, or witchcraft, never came into the picture one time. Also, Goth is a subculture and is not a cult, simple as that. Goth is not a religion.

No, I am an old man and not as quick as I once was. I have been ill and nap regularly though I still try to work 80 hours a week and provide what help I can to the Church. Perhaps you are just very slow?

As anyone with a grasp of the language will tell you, that first item means 'one or more of the following'. you practice the gothism life, so it is applicable. Note the bolded word, part of another word that you chose. Interesting.

2.Writing in a barely decipherable manner. I am an author, song writer and got all A's in english. Perhaps you are too illiterate andblatantly stupid and idiotic to understand something above two sylables. Not my problem.

Note the bolded words, identifying basic errors.
Please note, your first sentence cover two subjects and therefore should of been parts of two different, tied together paragraphs. Again, 6th grade stuff.

3.Too many typos. Ah finally you're right about something. This is because I am going at rather a high speed and not overly concerned about missing a key here and there and am also communicating with evident two year old minds. I didn't think you would notice.

Did I make any typos? What do you mean you are going at 'high speed', are you driving a goth-mobile on the highway?

4. Hating God. This is an absolute, clear as crystal blatant lie, because as you can tell I have read the bible and thank god almighty in Heaven I do not share your attitude toward others, and had you checked the links I left rather than deleting them post haste (very fast) you would have found that Goth and Christian work well together. Your church mentioned to me that evil spirits and demons run quickly and become uncomfortable around Godly people, which to me explains why it is that you swiftly deleted my links and avoid any evidence that I speak the truth. You people ae the fastest I have ever seen to get mad at me for posting, you beat the atheists.

Actually, it is obvious you have only read a few bits of the Bible and certainly not all of it. Goth and Christian do not work together, you need to read the actual Bible instead of some words written by an impostor Pastor.

5. Lying about reading the bible. Clearly you cannot define the word lie Check your attitude against what I said, find out who the real liar is. Either that or, as I suspect, it is you who has only read the cover notes.

Please see my response to #4

6. Making walls of text. Sorry, I just tend to actually use my brain for something rather than taking two or three paragraphs to spew hate. Atheists and christian debaters do the same thing when they disciss things rationally.

No, spewing unneeded words tends to bore the reader. Make your point in a clear, concise manner. A wall of text fails at this. As does poor spelling, bad grammar and incorrect sentence structure.

7.Insulting true christians everywhere with my hate. If you are referring to people who pretend to be Christians, quote bible verses to back their hate of others and slander others, those I call posers, false Christians and liars, evil people who wear a suit to church on sunday and preach deceit, indeed I hope to insult them, to the maximum. They are an offense to society, a blemish that should be destroyed. Monsters who falsely represent a God who cannot be found in their churches. "who replace the commands of god with the doctrines of men."

Please see my response to #4

8. Excessive text. Sorry, it seemed no worse than reading entries by a place that calls itself a church, then uses the terms "gothtards" along with countless insults to point a finger at others in the supposed spirit of love.

Please see my response to #7

I will post no more beyond this one in your web page, given you show me the same courtesy and do not pollute my e mail with your responses in the future. Fair enough?

<<<<<<<<<<<<< More ridiculopusly bolded text Deleted>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You will burn in hell with the rest of us, you may get front row seats.

Daywalker Goth and Proud.

Promise, no more wasting of monitor ink?
I will not be burning in Hell, sorry. I'll be at the Right Hand of God® and will watch Him stamp your ticket with "One Way - Hell"
(Note the sparing yet poignant use of the bold feature)

[daywalker1966]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Hello Serenity and thank you for being somewhat civil. Since you put in a post that was reasonable, leet me share where I am coming from and why I finally became intolerant:

I was baptized into a Christian church some years back, AS a goth and christian. Some of the people were incredibly nice and took me to lunch and councelled me. Never once did any of them condemn me or my children because of our black clothing or gothy ways. I respected these people and I enjoyed their music, and routinely sat in the front row next to the pastor and his family.

I would sometimes slip out during their music and go and pray alone in a temple erea they had.

I have heard goths accused of murder, of child abuse and Satanic rites and can point you to a girl and her boyfriend in England who were goths, and simply because of this, these two people were beaten and murdered on the street by punks.

I also can point you to examples of women condemned as witches and killed when they were not guilty of any form of witchcraft by christian wannabes screaming to destroy Satan.

I am not filled with hate, I live and let live, but I am highly offended when people claim to follow Jesus and hurl insults and accusations that are damaging and totally wrong. Could you imagine being a goth who decided to investigate Christianity and walked into this church? Forget talking about god, they would be lucky not to be drawn and quartered by these people.

Put yourself in my shoes. Have an e mail box that now has five messages filled with insults and condemnation from people who claim to beChristians. At some point it seems fitting to see how they feel with a few insults. Do you remember the temple with the money changers and Jesus becoming angry? I have not threatened these people nor have I been profane. But I am human and get tired of a one way street. I gave them links to christian goth sites, and they deleted them emediately and called them Satanic. Tell me, how are you going to go to a Satanic site when you put in CHRISTIAN? This tells me they are afraid they cannot eat their own words and admit that some goths are evil, but, like all subcultures on earth they also have Christians among them.

I know how people such as these baptists treat goth kids in their schools, how the parents of other kids treat goth kids, and it makes me angry. I also know that people will read their stuff and because it is paraded as Christianity they will believe it and treat goths accordingly. Just look at the most recently sent responses. You cannot possibly think that is the work of God's people!

Besides,I notice that no one responded to my mentioning the fact that Christmas is a highly pagan holiday with child murder to boot. Strangely they avoided that, hmmmmmmmmm how curious.

I'll tell you what...if you think me getting a bit terse with this family of insult comedians is bad, dress yourself in black, toss on some eye liner and wear a goth T shirt then go to their church. I can imagine the result.

Respect is something you earn. Not once have they beeen anything but rude and insulting. I figure if you can dish it out you can take it, kind of like they insult fat people, among many others. I do not believe this "church" deserves any respect, in fact I think I've been too nice.

For the record, I spoke the truth. Goths are, for the most part, non violent, Christian and very decent people. Not all of us dress the part, you have probably been around many goths and not known it. Especially with people like these among us.

We're talking about God here. It's one thing to say you are a musician when you can't play a note, but to claim to be Christian and yet reflect the attitude of the devil is the worst form of lie.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

I thought you said you were going away and going to stop harassing good, honest decent True Christians™. What, are you all full from eating babies for Thanksgiving and want to burn it off?

Friend, all you have to do is put away the satanic dress, drop to your knees and pray to God, repent all your sins and make amends for all you evil doing and maybe, just maybe, Jesus will forgive you and allow you into the Kingdom of Heaven. I will pray for your soul.

[Serenity-Millennium]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Put yourself in my shoes. Have an e mail box that now has five messages filled with insults and condemnation from people who claim to beChristians. At some point it seems fitting to see how they feel with a few insults. Do you remember the temple with the money changers and Jesus becoming angry? I have not threatened these people nor have I been profane. But I am human and get tired of a one way street. I gave them links to christian goth sites, and they deleted them emediately and called them Satanic. Tell me, how are you going to go to a Satanic site when you put in CHRISTIAN? This tells me they are afraid they cannot eat their own words and admit that some goths are evil, but, like all subcultures on earth they also have Christians among them.

Put yourself in your shoes? I have been a member here for over a year with 400 posts, consistently disagreed with them, and have never lost my temper. Did you see the title they have given me? "Lying fluffy-bunny false Christian" The badges? "Hellbound heathen". "Caution - poster is crazy". I've had much more than 5 insulting responses from them. But a Christian should show LOVE. LOVE, LOVE LOVE! Always love! There is no reason to judge people ever for any reason whatsoever, no reason to get angry, and no reason to insult.

I take the words of Jesus seriously. I want to reach the people of Landover, but my voice is drowned out by the vile hatred of others, which only makes them hate outsiders more and more.

Matthew 7: 1-5 "Don't pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults— unless, of course, you want the same treatment. That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. It's easy to see a smudge on your neighbor's face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own. Do you have the nerve to say, 'Let me wash your face for you,' when your own face is distorted by contempt? It's this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier-than-thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your own face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor.

Matthew 5: 21-22"You're familiar with the command to the ancients, 'Do not murder.' I'm telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother 'idiot!' and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell 'stupid!' at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.


Matthew 5:38-42"Here's another old saying that deserves a second look: 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth.' Is that going to get us anywhere? Here's what I propose: 'Don't hit back at all.' If someone strikes you, stand there and take it. If someone drags you into court and sues for the shirt off your back, giftwrap your best coat and make a present of it. And if someone takes unfair advantage of you, use the occasion to practice the servant life. No more tit-for-tat stuff. Live generously.

Colossians 4: 5-6Use your heads as you live and work among outsiders. Don't miss a trick. Make the most of every opportunity. Be gracious in your speech. The goal is to bring out the best in others in a conversation, not put them down, not cut them out.

1 Peter 3: 13-18If with heart and soul you're doing good, do you think you can be stopped? Even if you suffer for it, you're still better off. Don't give the opposition a second thought. Through thick and thin, keep your hearts at attention, in adoration before Christ, your Master. Be ready to speak up and tell anyone who asks why you're living the way you are, and always with the utmost courtesy. Keep a clear conscience before God so that when people throw mud at you, none of it will stick. They'll end up realizing that they're the ones who need a bath. It's better to suffer for doing good, if that's what God wants, than to be punished for doing bad. That's what Christ did definitively: suffered because of others' sins, the Righteous One for the unrighteous ones. He went through it all—was put to death and then made alive—to bring us to God.



Matthew 5: 43-47"You're familiar with the old written law, 'Love your friend,' and its unwritten companion, 'Hate your enemy.' I'm challenging that. I'm telling you to love your enemies. Let them bring out the best in you, not the worst. When someone gives you a hard time, respond with the energies of prayer, for then you are working out of your true selves, your God-created selves. This is what God does. He gives his best—the sun to warm and the rain to nourish—to everyone, regardless: the good and bad, the nice and nasty. If all you do is love the lovable, do you expect a bonus? Anybody can do that. If you simply say hello to those who greet you, do you expect a medal? Any run-of-the-mill sinner does that.



Matthew 22: 37-40Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.' This is the most important, the first on any list. But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.' These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them."

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Besides,I notice that no one responded to my mentioning the fact that Christmas is a highly pagan holiday with child murder to boot. Strangely they avoided that, hmmmmmmmmm how curious.

My opinion on Christmas can be read here: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=18146

[James Hutchins]

Re: Is Your Child a Godless Goth?

Put yourself in your shoes? I have been a member here for over a year with 400 posts, consistently disagreed with them, and have never lost my temper. But a Christian should show LOVE. LOVE, LOVE LOVE! Always love! There is no reason to get angry, and no reason to insult.

And we do, this why you have never been banned or severely infracted. You do not debate nor do you hate like this daywalker person. As far as I know, you have never eaten any babies either.

You are a good, if not mis-guided person, S-M. One day, you will finally read all of the Bible and understand Gods plan for us.