[Brother Temperance]

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Ok, to answer most in brief comments.

To those who claimed she didn't live a beautiful/happy life, I'd like to hear more or at least some proofs other than "doubts".

SHE WAS RAPED. AS A CHILD. How is that beautiful? You seem like a decent fellow in many respects, but why must you defend paedophilia?

OnYourKnees:
Her father made the decision for her, because she was a child. When she grew up, the choice was hers.

There are some decisions it is suitable for a father to make. Marrying off his 6-year-old daughter is not one of them. And you speak of her growing up as if she wasn't a 9-year-old child.

[Born-Again Atheist]

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Mary probably had Jesus at 11 or 12. Possibly earlier. Back then, peoples' lives were shorter, they may have gone through puberty earlier. As soon as girls had there first period, their father arranged a marriage.

As for tampons, I also, would rather not get toxic shock, pads are fine with me. I've never used a tampon, I hold nothing against women who do. Nor tampons themselves! Lol.

[OnYourKnees]

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Mary probably had Jesus at 11 or 12. Possibly earlier. Back then, peoples' lives were shorter, they may have gone through puberty earlier. As soon as girls had there first period, their father arranged a marriage.

First, is 11 or 12 the same as 9?

Second, upon what do you base this "probably" of yours? Your imaginings?

[shert]

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Allow me to finish Aeisha discussion in steps, so it is easier for people to understand.

1 - Hypothetically Mohammed was a pedophilia.
How come all other of his wives were old and not virigin??

2 - Hypothetically Mohammed was a pedophilia.
How come marrying Aeisha was not his idea??

3 - Hypothetically Mohammed was a pedophilia.
How come Aeisha's family allowed him to marry their little girl??

4 - Hypothetically Mohammed was a pedophilia and Aeisha's family approved of it.
How come other Muslims didn't say anything about it??

5 - Hypothetically all Muslims are pedophilias.
How come the non-Muslims, including Christians and Jews, in Mecca and Arabia didn't say anything at that time??

6 - Hypothetically all Arabs are pedophilias.
How come other Empires such as Persia and Rome didn't say anything about it??

7 - Hypothetically Mohammed was a pedophilia.
How come ALL of his enemies didn't say anything about it. Mohammed was accused of being crazy, poet, magician, etc etc. But not pedophilia.

Also, in the U.S., your God's favorite country, the age of consent was 10 years until the age was raised to 14!! Go here for reference http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm
Here is a quote:
California was one of the first states to raise the age of consent. It raised it from ten to fourteen in 1889 and then from fourteen to sixteen in 1897. Then, in 1913, California again raised it from sixteen to eighteen.

Here is another numbered point:
8 - Hypothetically All Arabs, Persians, Romans, Christians, Jews and Pagans were pedophilia 1400 years ago:
It seems that AMERICANS are pedophilia until 1889!!

In Conclusion:
Thats a lot of assumptions to make if Mohammed was a pedophilia
The pedophilia idea started when the habit has changed.
People rode horses long time ago, if you see someone riding a horse to work, you will call him idiot.

[shert]

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Oh, and finally,

Please check the attachment

[shert]

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Brother Temperance:
Let me remind you of something you said, and I quote:
"Pastor Bob is indeed a great Christian. Purity Balls are indeed a great way of teaching a woman that, until Jesus returns, her body is property of her father, until such a time as her father sees fit to sell her to a husband. And no right-thinking man wants to buy damaged goods!"
The coloring/bold/underlining is my doing. The wording and content is yours, you can find it here if you don't believe me:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=1432&highlight=sell+daughter

So:
True Christian women are property of their father!!
True Christian women get sold, I mean married, whenever their father sees its fit.
True Christian men buy their wife, I mean marry.

Now lets see what you said about Aiesha incident:

There are some decisions it is suitable for a father to make. Marrying off his 6-year-old daughter is not one of them. And you speak of her growing up as if she wasn't a 9-year-old child.

[Enobarbus]

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Brother Temperance:
Let me remind you of something you said, and I quote:
"Pastor Bob is indeed a great Christian. Purity Balls are indeed a great way of teaching a woman that, until Jesus returns, her body is property of her father, until such a time as her father sees fit to sell her to a husband. And no right-thinking man wants to buy damaged goods!"
The coloring/bold/underlining is my doing. The wording and content is yours, you can find it here if you don't believe me:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=1432&highlight=sell+daughter

So:
True Christian women are property of their father!!
True Christian women get sold, I mean married, whenever their father sees its fit.
True Christian men buy their wife, I mean marry.

Now lets see what you said about Aiesha incident:

I think Brother Temperance may be suggesting that 6-years-old is too young for a girl to be married. There is evidence that 9- or 10-year-olds may be physically mature... but 6-year-olds?

[Brother Temperance]

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Brother Temperance:
Let me remind you of something you said, and I quote:
"Pastor Bob is indeed a great Christian. Purity Balls are indeed a great way of teaching a woman that, until Jesus returns, her body is property of her father, until such a time as her father sees fit to sell her to a husband. And no right-thinking man wants to buy damaged goods!"
The coloring/bold/underlining is my doing. The wording and content is yours, you can find it here if you don't believe me:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=1432&highlight=sell+daughter

So:
True Christian women are property of their father!!
True Christian women get sold, I mean married, whenever their father sees its fit.
True Christian men buy their wife, I mean marry.

And True Christian fathers do not marry their children off at age 6! Or age 9!

[OnYourKnees]

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And True Christian fathers do not marry their children off at age 6! Or age 9!

Of course not!

A 9-year-old, even if she's a freak who has her menstrual cycle early, is in no way competent to run a household, raise a child, or perform any number of other wifely duties!

The dowries are much larger for young ladies who are physically mature, have reached adult beauty, and have completed basic education and finishing school.

Giving a preteen girl into marriage is like selling someone a house, which is just a pile of lumber. Yes, someone will probably buy it, but they won't pay nearly as much as for a completed house!

Incidentally, Shert, you mention the age of consent in the US having been at 10, until it was raised.

10 is not 9. Also, 10 is certainly not 6!!

Once again, your great defense of Mohammed is that his actions may have only been a little worse than those of some False Christians.

[shert]

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Long time ago, people rode horses all the time. If you see someone riding a horse to work now, you will call him an idiot.

Were all people long time ago idiots??

Aiesha got married when she was 6, As per Brother Temperance instructions and your Bible: Her father saw it fit.

Then the marriage was consummated when she grew up and became a woman at the age of 9.

As I have proved to you, women can get pregnant at the age of 9, or even give birth!!

Does the Bible say anything about age of marriage?? Because I don't see any age here:
Exodus 21:7-11: And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another [wife]; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

I am sorry I don't know if this verse is talking about marriage or selling slaves, but I think they are similar.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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I am sorry I don't know if this verse is talking about marriage or selling slaves, but I think they are similar.

So then you admit that the 6 year old Aleesha was Moohamid's love slave? Finally we're getting through that thick terrorist skull of yours. Glory!

[shert]

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Originally Posted by shert
I am sorry I don't know if this verse is talking about marriage or selling slaves, but I think they are similar.

So then you admit that the 6 year old Aleesha was Moohamid's love slave? Finally we're getting through that thick terrorist skull of yours. Glory!

No, I am talking about slavery in Christianity, sorry I meant Marriage in Christianity.

You see, only a thick skull can conclude what you have concluded from my post.

[Hairy Homer]

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I completely agree.
In fact, I agree with the TC's views here! Imagine!!!

It was written and described as being beautiful by a MAN. Not by her herself. Where is her autobiography?

Shert, you said that she had the choice to end the marriage. I seriously doubt that. She would have no doubt been pushed and bullied into it by her parents, her father mostly, and told of dishonor and death etc should she refuse.
It wouldn't have really been up to her, not really.
As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet the truth of that sentence would have been more like 'her father had the choice to end the marriage'.

I'm sorry but it is still rape. And people who get married young in the US are at least in their teens and willing, consenting to sexual relationships. Not young children who are dragged away from their mothers and forced into the bed of a lecherous old man.

It's wrong no matter what you say. Wrong, twisted, vile and disgusting. If you think otherwise, you're just deluding yourself.

Whether it is wrong or not, all this disapproval is Modern Western Hypocrisy. He is talking about social mores over 2000 years ago.

Child brides in England were not uncommon during Medieval times:

The role of women in medieval society was secondary to that of men and there were few opportunities open to women. For the wealthy there used to be two chances: marriage or nunnery.

Marriages were often arranged by fathers to secure or increase the family wealth. That's why child brides were common and most girls were married at 14.

For a peasant girl whose father wasn't a free man, fate was even harder as permission to marry had to be asked to the feudal lord. In some countries, and for some time, the feudal lord had the prima notte right, or the right to sleep the first night, the wedding night, with the bride.
Apart from that, widows used to be sent to convents and their lands confiscated. However, by the late Middle Ages a guild master's widow could run her dead husband's business.

Is this wrong, twisted, vile and disgusting? These are your ancestors Rachael. Your Christian and Pagan ancestors.

So all Englishmen (all European men) were paedophiles during that time?

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

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Why would it be a sin to stick a piece of cotton into your v****a? Tampons were indeed used in Biblical times, they simply weren't mentioned in the Bible.

and tampons are certainly much better than pads- much more comfortable, can't even feel them!

Thank you Mapes! What grown woman in her right mind would want to spend a week out of every month with what amounts to a diaper stuffed into her panties?

[Bobby-Joe]

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Thank you Mapes! What grown woman in her right mind would want to spend a week out of every month with what amounts to a diaper stuffed into her panties?

No TRUE Christian woman would. That's why we build them little sheds for their time for their month out back. Sears sells pretty good ones.