[Dana723]

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J...follow a vegan diet...

Well, there's your problem. Real men eat meat. Problem solved.


That and you need to read your Bible.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Hello Mr. Thomas, and welcome to this forum! I hope you will find here answers to questions you seek. This community may seem rough on the edges but they mean well, they really want you, and everybody else here, to read the Bible and accept it as is rather than as we would like it to be.

No, I believe having an open mind,

That is a great thing to believe.

seeing the miracle that is all around us

Which miracles are you talking about here, Mr. Thomas? Because there is a lot of ethnic cleansing, exploitation, disease, and other forms of suffering in the world, and for me, all that makes seeing the good things more difficult.

and respecting it as well as ALL of gods creations as equals will though.

OK. So you are saying that a KKK member or a neonazi should be treated with equal respect as any other person. I won't argue with that, but the fact you are talking about "God's creations" means your mind is less open than you would want us to believe. Did you consider the possibility that nothing in this world is God's creation?

but I respect the fact that men should not be the ones doing that judging in the name of ANY one!

So, we should get rid of the police, judges, and juries? Just let everybody do their thing without judging them nor putting away those who harm others?

I have enough respect for God to believe he has it figured out without our help

Again, your closed mind is showing. How do you know there is a God? If there is a God, how do you know He cares about people?

[Basilissa]

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Cain was a vegan and he killed his brother -

Well, there's your problem. Real men eat meat.

Fine points, indeed! I think, based on the available evidence, that we can categorically conclude that vegans are murderous fake men.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Mary,
n Luke 17:20–21, Jesus says, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.
And again I reference Timothy 2 as it is quite obvious that women not being able to teach or exercise authority makes things pretty clear. Women are not even supposed to lead a prayer group of a man is present.

James, if you are disgusted and find it foul why were you the one to bring it up in the first place?

And what is with the whole "your betters" line?
The scriptures say no one is righteous, not even one Romans 3:20
And hose who exalt themselves will be humbled Luke 14:11
And, live in harmony with each other do not be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don't think you know it all. Romans 12:16

Basillisa,
Not at all. they are the same which is why I find it odd that the Jewish people did exactly what your/their God told them to do--guard against false prophets or messiah. They were given clear easy to follow mandates about what the messiah would do and saying God changed his mind ?? I don't buy it. Not to mention that the very first sign would be that the messiah would be born of a man and woman and the man would be a direct descendant of King Solomon and David so by him saying he had no biological father he was automatically disqualified. The Jews followed gods word to a letter and then told by a new religion that they were now sinners and forfeit their right to heaven.

Dolores,
Not at all, we need laws here on the earthly plane but we should leave the soul and its judgement to God.
Funny how those laws are great until they say state and church must be made separate. More picking and choosing

Vegan haters,

If you really believe that ones diet constitutes what makes a man, you have more problems than I care to try and help you with.

[James Hutchins]

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....

James, if you are disgusted and find it foul why were you the one to bring it up in the first place?

.....

Because I care. Is that so horribly wrong?

And what is with the whole "your betters" line?
The scriptures say no one is righteous, not even one Romans 3:20
And hose who exalt themselves will be humbled Luke 14:11
And, live in harmony with each other do not be too proud to enjoy the company of ordinary people. And don't think you know it all. Romans 12:16

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1st Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.
1st Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1st Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1st Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
2nd Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2nd Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2nd Timothy 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2nd Timothy 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Mary,
n Luke 17:20–21, Jesus says, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.

"You" doesn't mean anyone who reads the words dear, any more than hearing the Oath to the Constitution makes one the president. It refers to True Christians™ who have been born again (John 3:3). Not everyone who claims to be a follower will be called by our LORD, but only those who do His Will (Matthew 7:21). Not everyone will inherit the Kingdom of God, dear:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11

And again I reference Timothy 2 as it is quite obvious that women not being able to teach or exercise authority makes things pretty clear. Women are not even supposed to lead a prayer group of a man is present.

All that fapping has left your brain with insufficient oxygen. I did not lead you in prayer, nor would I for Jesus tells me personally not to throw pearls of wisdom and spiritual Truth before swine such as yourself (Matthew 7:6).

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Also to the vegan comments,
I tend not to get ruffled when people say such things but I must ask;

My being a United States Marine and fighting for your right to believe in your faith against people who would kill you on basis of your religion does not make me a man, and My being a mixed martial artist and testing myself against others does not have any bearing, but eating meat is the clincher, huh?

And God said behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. Genesis 1:29

Pretty sure God originally wanted us not to eat animals.

And when God says
I will make for you a covenant on that day with the wild animals, the birds of the air, and the creeping things of the ground; and I will abolish the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I will make you lie down in safety Hosea 2:18
Will then you say it is not manly?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter;

kill, and eat.

Acts 10:13

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Oh Mary,
Pride comes before the fall. I never realized so many true Christians were obsessed with other people masturbating. I feel I must clarify DEAR- I was raised Pentecostal. Never have I had sex because I am not married, nor pleasured myself. I do not drink alcohol or use drugs as I respect the body that was given to me.
But if you want to insult someone who has not tried to hurt you or your faith maybe I will pull off the gloves a bit.
Fact, Christianity has changed the definition of what makes a good Christian many times over as attested by the various denominations and their small differences. Christianity stole its basis from the Jewish religion. Jews borrowed heavily from Egypt, and Egypt stole many things from Sumer. Most if not all the stories in the bible were stolen from other religions, including Jesus birthdate from Mithraism. And local PAGAN customs abound all over Christianity from cultures that could not entirely be eliminated. I.e. Jewish monotheism was stolen from Egyptian Akhenaton, Jewish creation stolen from Egyptian creation, Jewish Yahweh use of the word to create was Egyptian, "Let there be light" stolen from Theban creation, the firmament in the midst of the waters is Egyptian creation, Adam and Eve stolen from get and nut Egyptian religion, eve coming from Adams rib stolen from Enti and ninhursag of Sumer, Adam and Eve's punish ment stolen from Mesopotamia story of Adapa, Jewish Cain Able and Seth stolen from Egyptian Osiris Set and Horus, conflict between Cain and able is Sumerian in origin, Jewish Samson stolen from Greek Herakles, the putting out of his eyes based on Oedipus,Jewish story of Jacobs ladder stolen from Egyptian egyptian funerary rights for deceased King, Jewish Moses based on many different gods and kings such as Sargon being the birth and abandonment in river being rescued by royalty, his wandering so in desert based on sun God Bacchus in the hymns of Orpheus, Hebrew 40 days and nights based on Egyptian lent, Jewish Deborah stolen from Egyptian goddess neith, jewish Noah stolen from Sumerian ziusudra, noahs son ham stolen from Belus, Jewish nimrod stolen from Egyptian pharaoh sesostris, Jewish Abraham stolen from King hariscanda of Hindu sankhayana-sutras, Jewish Isaac stolen from his son rohita, Jewish David stolen from Egyptian Neferti,Jewish lot and wife stolen from Greek Orpheus and Eurydice, Jewish rebekah stolen from Egyptian God Isis, Ten Commandments stolen from code of Hammurabi, Jewish David and Goliath stolen from Norse god Thor throwing hammer at hrungnir. I could go on and on but that should suffice, so you God loving Christians can change my avatar and quotes all you want, just makes you look petty and very unchristian. I respect your right to believe whatever you want and was not talking down to anyone, but if you can't respect others and actually be a humble Christian then it stands within reason that you should be educated about where your biblical stories actually come from, read NOT devinely inspired, but pagan inspired. But of course, those stories were only put there to test your faith, right? Like dinosaur bones lmao and after reading that quote about dinosaurs I realize why you people are acting the way you are. Fear! Plain and simple. After all, That is how you control sheep.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Mary, this was said after Jesus time which does not count because he was not born in the manner God told the Jewish people the messiah would be. No matter how you slice it, the New Testament laws do not count because God has not given the signs he promised would announce the real messiah. You can't argue that. If you would like to, please tell me how Jesus fulfilled the prophecies, for God said he can not be lacking in even one and he is lacking many.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Fact, Christianity has changed the definition of what makes a good Christian many times over as attested by the various denominations and their small differences. Christianity stole its basis from the Jewish religion. Jews borrowed heavily from Egypt, and Egypt stole many things from Sumer. Most if not all the stories in the bible were stolen from other religions, including Jesus birthdate from Mithraism. And local PAGAN customs abound all over Christianity from cultures that could not entirely be eliminated. I.e. Jewish monotheism was stolen from Egyptian Akhenaton, Jewish creation stolen from Egyptian creation, Jewish Yahweh use of the word to create was Egyptian, "Let there be light" stolen from Theban creation, the firmament in the midst of the waters is Egyptian creation, Adam and Eve stolen from get and nut Egyptian religion, eve coming from Adams rib stolen from Enti and ninhursag of Sumer, Adam and Eve's punish ment stolen from Mesopotamia story of Adapa, Jewish Cain Able and Seth stolen from Egyptian Osiris Set and Horus, conflict between Cain and able is Sumerian in origin, Jewish Samson stolen from Greek Herakles, the putting out of his eyes based on Oedipus,Jewish story of Jacobs ladder stolen from Egyptian egyptian funerary rights for deceased King, Jewish Moses based on many different gods and kings such as Sargon being the birth and abandonment in river being rescued by royalty, his wandering so in desert based on sun God Bacchus in the hymns of Orpheus, Hebrew 40 days and nights based on Egyptian lent, Jewish Deborah stolen from Egyptian goddess neith, jewish Noah stolen from Sumerian ziusudra, noahs son ham stolen from Belus, Jewish nimrod stolen from Egyptian pharaoh sesostris, Jewish Abraham stolen from King hariscanda of Hindu sankhayana-sutras, Jewish Isaac stolen from his son rohita, Jewish David stolen from Egyptian Neferti,Jewish lot and wife stolen from Greek Orpheus and Eurydice, Jewish rebekah stolen from Egyptian God Isis, Ten Commandments stolen from code of Hammurabi, Jewish David and Goliath stolen from Norse god Thor throwing hammer at hrungnir. I could go on and on but that should suffice, so you God loving Christians can change my avatar and quotes all you want, just makes you look petty and very unchristian. I respect your right to believe whatever you want and was not talking down to anyone, but if you can't respect others and actually be a humble Christian then it stands within reason that you should be educated about where your biblical stories actually come from, read NOT devinely inspired, but pagan inspired. But of course, those stories were only put there to test your faith, right? Like dinosaur bones lmao and after reading that quote about dinosaurs I realize why you people are acting the way you are. Fear! Plain and simple. After all, That is how you control sheep.

Hello Mr. Thomas. Thank you for your kind reply to a small part of my post.

What I am wondering, is how come you still claim to believe in a God that created stuff on Earth despite your knowledge of borrowings within ancient religions?


Because I look at the same evidence and it just looks made up to me. Plus, when I look at all the hatred and suffering created by religions, I cannot stop myself from wondering why God would permit such atrocities - does He like it? Does He not care? Is He unable to help - in which case it would be completely useless to pray to Him? Or - and this is where you need to keep your mind really widely open - maybe He does not exist at all?

[Basilissa]

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Basillisa,
Not at all. they are the same which is why I find it odd that the Jewish people did exactly what your/their God told them to do--guard against false prophets or messiah. They were given clear easy to follow mandates about what the messiah would do and saying God changed his mind ?? I don't buy it. Not to mention that the very first sign would be that the messiah would be born of a man and woman and the man would be a direct descendant of King Solomon and David so by him saying he had no biological father he was automatically disqualified. The Jews followed gods word to a letter and then told by a new religion that they were now sinners and forfeit their right to heaven.

Mary, this was said after Jesus time which does not count because he was not born in the manner God told the Jewish people the messiah would be. No matter how you slice it, the New Testament laws do not count because God has not given the signs he promised would announce the real messiah. You can't argue that. If you would like to, please tell me how Jesus fulfilled the prophecies, for God said he can not be lacking in even one and he is lacking many.

This is not true. All Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jesus was born of a woman.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Jesus was born of a virgin.

Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Numbers 24:17 I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite the corners of Moab, and destroy all the children of Sheth.
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

Joseph was from the seed of Isaac (Luke 3:34), Star of Jacob (Matthew 1:2), Root of Jesse (Matthew 1:5-6) because of Joseph's lineage. Family doesn't end with blood, and while technically there is no Joseph's DNA in Jesus, Jesus is from Joseph's lineage. Otherwise, why would the authors of the Gospels bother to include Joseph's lineage??? Don't think too much about it. Just accept what the Bible says.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

I think that's self explanatory.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

That was fulfilled by John the Baptist.

Case closed.

My being a United States Marine and fighting for your right to believe in your faith against people who would kill you on basis of your religion does not make

Well, assuming you are not lying about it (you never know with people on the internet, especially those who claim to be some special sort of heroes), it must make you feel really warm and fuzzy, knowing that you are fighting to impose our rules and our religion over different kinds of very dumb people. I do wonder sometimes, why these people are so ungrateful and want to govern themselves instead of being ruled by puppet governments that we so charitably give them.

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Hahahaha don't think about it because then it all falls apart, right?

The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4)

Throughout the Christian "New Testament," Jesus contradicts the Torah and states that its commandments are no longer applicable. For example, John 9:14 records that Jesus made a paste in violation of Shabbat, which caused the Pharisees to say (verse 16), "He does not observe Shabbat!"

Also, learn Hebrew if you are going to cite from the Old Testament as your proof because English translations are not equivalent, such as the word alma not meaning a virgin giving birth at all, but just a young woman. Really, to believe you know better than the Jewish people about their own writings and you have not even bothered to learn the language of the bible. Beyond arrogance!

[Jonathan Thomas]

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Yep, I learned the hard way that the military does exactly what you said. Just like Christians have done to every new culture they came across. After all, Religion is just government wrapped in superstition and established on the cowards' fear, prejudice, and gullibility. Not to mention what can be seen as an innate egotistical need to feel superior to others in some way.

[Elmer G. White]

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...an innate egotistical need to feel superior to others in some way.

Don't you agree that God Himself has expressed the superiority of True Christians™ in the Bible?

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


Yours in Christ,

Elmer