[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

Icky, if sickness were natural we wouldn't need to pray to get rid of it. It's demons.

And did you know that people have been charged with criminal neglect and given jail time because they refused to take a sick person to hospital, they would only attempt to 'pray the sickness out of them', the result being, of course, that the person died?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

And did you know that people have been charged with criminal neglect and given jail time because they refused to take a sick person to hospital, they would only attempt to 'pray the sickness out of them', the result being, of course, that the person died?

Hospitals are places where quacks steal money from gullible people. Pray to JESUS to get rid of your sins and your disease.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

Hospitals are places where quacks steal money from gullible people. Pray to JESUS to get rid of your sins and your disease.

So then how is it that, for instance:
Two people, same disease.
One goes to hospital, is cured. Goes on living.
The other prays and gets everyone who is thus inclined to pray for them. This person dies.

Well???

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

So then how is it that, for instance:
Two people, same disease.
One goes to hospital, is cured. Goes on living.
The other prays and gets everyone who is thus inclined to pray for them. This person dies.

Well???

That has never happened.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

That has never happened.

I'm sure it would have at one stage or other. Maybe not exactly like that, but very similar. Such people who leave a sick person to die are charged with criminal neglect.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

I'm sure it would have at one stage or other. Maybe not exactly like that, but very similar. Such people who leave a sick person to die are charged with criminal neglect.

So in order to make your non-facts you make up non-occurrences to prove them. And I believe that earlier you were talking about how smart women are? Yes, you have convinced me all right!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

So in order to make your non-facts you make up non-occurrences to prove them. And I believe that earlier you were talking about how smart women are? Yes, you have convinced me all right!

I was giving you an example!! I never said that was an exact actual occurence, I said 'in the following instance' I meant EXAMPLE. I was giving you an example! Have you never, when trying to explain your reasonings, given an example?
And are you claiming that NO ONE has ever been charged with criminal neglect over that? Are you saying such things have never happened? Because they have, you know they have!

[Enobarbus]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

Meh, you don't need to pray to fight off sickness. Meditation can sometimes help build your strength you need to fight it.

Meditation is for the daughters of darkness; the children of light pray.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

I was giving you an example!! I never said that was an exact actual occurence, I said 'in the following instance' I meant EXAMPLE. I was giving you an example! Have you never, when trying to explain your reasonings, given an example?
And are you claiming that NO ONE has ever been charged with criminal neglect over that? Are you saying such things have never happened? Because they have, you know they have!

Yes, I give examples all the time. Here is one: Your arguments are having the same effect on logic as an iceberg had on the Titanic. <snicker>

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

Yes, I give examples all the time. Here is one: Your arguments are having the same effect on logic as an iceberg had on the Titanic. <snicker>

So what example would you have used, then? Look, the fact is that these things do happen. And I'll find some such instances to show you. But until I can find a specific instance, I was giving an example.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

There we go, I have an exact example for you! From this link :

A study found those who were prayed for were as likely to have a setback in hospital, be re-admitted, or die within six months as those not prayed for.
The Duke University Medical Center study of 700 patients, in the Lancet, said music, image and touch therapy did appear to reduce patients' distress. Heart experts said patients could benefit from feeling more optimistic.

The results of this study contradict earlier findings from the same team which suggested a drop of a quarter or more in "adverse outcomes" - including death, heart failure or heart attack.
However, that trial involved only 150 patients. Other research since has found no evidence of any benefits.
This study looked at 700 patients undergoing angiograms (an X-ray of the blood vessels) or other heart operations at nine hospitals across the US.
Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist prayer groups were assigned to pray for 371 of the patients. The rest had no prayer group.
In addition, 374 of the patients were assigned MIT therapy and the rest none.
MIT involved teaching the patients relaxed breathing techniques and playing them easy listening, classical, or country music during their procedure.
The researchers found that neither therapy alone, or combined, showed any measurable treatment effect on serious cardiovascular events, hospital readmission or death.

And from this link :

OBJECTIVE: To determine the effect of intercessory prayer, a widely practiced complementary therapy, on cardiovascular disease progression after hospital discharge. PATIENTS AND METHODS: In this randomized controlled trial conducted between 1997 and 1999, a total of 799 coronary care unit patients were randomized at hospital discharge to the intercessory prayer group or to the control group. Intercessory prayer, ie, prayer by 1 or more persons on behalf of another, was administered at least once a week for 26 weeks by 5 intercessors per patient. The primary end point after 26 weeks was any of the following: death, cardiac arrest, rehospitalization for cardiovascular disease, coronary revascularization, or an emergency department visit for cardiovascular disease. Patients were divided into a high-risk group based on the presence of any of 5 risk factors (age = or >70 years, diabetes mellitus, prior myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular disease, or peripheral vascular disease) or a low-risk group (absence of risk factors) for subsequent primary events. RESULTS: At 26 weeks, a primary end point had occurred in 25.6% of the intercessory prayer group and 29.3% of the control group (odds ratio [OR], 0.83 [95% confidence interval (CI), 0.60-1.14]; P=.25). Among high-risk patients, 31.0% in the prayer group vs 33.3% in the control group (OR, 0.90 [95% CI, 0.60-1.34]; P=.60) experienced a primary end point. Among low-risk patients, a primary end point occurred in 17.0% in the prayer group vs 24.1% in the control group (OR, 0.65 [95% CI, 0.20-1.36]; P=.12). CONCLUSIONS: As delivered in this study, intercessory prayer had no significant effect on medical outcomes after hospitalization in a coronary care unit.

So there, Mister Smartypants.

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

"This study looked at 700 patients undergoing angiograms (an X-ray of the blood vessels) or other heart operations at nine hospitals across the US.
Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist prayer groups were assigned to pray for 371 of the patients. The rest had no prayer group."
-RVH

<sigh>. If a Christian prays for someone, GOD listens. If a MUDSLUM, JOO and BUDDHIST then prays to SATAN for the same person, they are doomed. The way the test was conducted insured that they would all perish in the flames.

Contrariwise, no one who has ever prayed at Landover Baptist has suffered a bad end.

[Enobarbus]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

There we go, I have an exact example for you! From this link :


And from this link :
So there, Mister Smartypants.

You cite studies organised by secular scientists as evidence. Have you evidence of how True Christians™ praying for other True Christians™ affects their recovery? No you don't; but we do. Prayer works, we have proved it.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

<sigh>. If a Christian prays for someone, GOD listens. If a MUDSLUM, JOO and BUDDHIST then prays to SATAN for the same person, they are doomed. The way the test was conducted insured that they would all perish in the flames.

Contrariwise, no one who has ever prayed at Landover Baptist has suffered a bad end.

Pastor Al, it said very clearly that there were xtians in the prayer group. And what about the second example I provided? Face it, sugar placebos have a better result!

You cite studies organised by secular scientists as evidence. Have you evidence of how True Christians™ praying for other True Christians™ affects their recovery? No you don't; but we do. Prayer works, we have proved it.

Can you provide examples of this proof? Any studies/findings of your own? Anyone seriously sick who made a miraculous discovery without being aided by medicine?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: looking for some goodtimes - 23

Pastor Al, it said very clearly that there were xtians in the prayer group. And what about the second example I provided? Face it, sugar placebos have a better result!

And I explained that (1) those were FALSE CHRISTIANS, who GOD ignores, and (2) their wishy-washy prayers were cancelled out by the satanists' mumbo-jumbo. Have no doubt that allowing anyone except a TRUE CHRISTIAN(TM) to pray for you is like spitting on the garment of the Holy Ghost.

Can you provide examples of this proof? Any studies/findings of your own? Anyone seriously sick who made a miraculous discovery without being aided by medicine?

There are hundreds of case histories. Mary Olivia Tyler prayed for mercy and she was not hit by a bus on the way home from church. Jim Carlson, from the SATANIC website 'Objective Landover shutdown', prayed for us to be shut down and was mangled into strawberry jam in a horrible accident a few days later. Do the math..