[Anonymous Christian]

Re: When is it right to beat a woman?

Where do we lie about it's contents? Where does it say that you can't beat women?

Malachi 2:14-16 KJV



14Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
15And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. 16For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

I believe it is OK to beat a woman when she is not in the kitchen cooking, or making babies. Women have to stay in the kitchen. If they do not follow these rules, there is no use for them.

Please back up your contentions with Scripture.

Also, please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

[Mr. Mister]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

I believe it is OK to beat a woman when she is not in the kitchen cooking, or making babies. Women have to stay in the kitchen. If they do not follow these rules, there is no use for them.

[James Hutchins]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

In reference to the original post, here are my thoughts:

1st - It is a usurpation of a man's authority to discipline any of his family members. What you ought to have done is make your complaint known to the girl's father and let him deal with it.

2nd - Since when is it a sin to burn a steak? If you are going to physically correct a woman, it should be over a point of continual sin or rebellion.

3rd - To "beat" a woman is never okay. You should not be leaving permanent or obvious damage. The Lord tells us to honor and cherish our wives, loving them as Christ loved the church, more than our own bodies. I wouldn't break my own arm or punch myself in the eye, neither would I do it to my wife. However, as a boy, I was spanked plenty. If you are going to physically correct your wive, do it on the posterior, and NEVER in anger or out of control. How will a woman respect you if you abuse her? It's the same with a child. Children respect loving correction, they rebel against abuse.

These are my thoughts on the matter. I have tried to treat the original poster with respect. I hope I will receive the same. Thank you.

Hi Friend, seems like you are a young fella with all kinds of silly idealism in your eyes. Let me set you straight.

1) Once a woman is engaged to be married, the reins of control begin to pass from father to future husband. The man is expected to take some responsibility but should explain to the father all issues that have occurred during a date. The chaperon will verify this.

2) Do you want a meal ruined because a empty headed woman was not paying attention? Admittedly, operating a grill might be too much to expect from a mere woman but if she has pleaded to try to use a grill, she must know failure is not an option. If she thinks she needs to practice, have her grill some of her old shoes or perhaps the helps lunch. Failure is never acceptable. Give her an inch, she'll want two. Keep the leash short.

3) You are never beating a woman. You are correcting bad behavior. A woman has a small mind. It has a limited vocabulary and attention span. If you reduce the amount of confusion in her life, you are doing her a great service.
a.Cook
b.Clean
c.Make Soldiers
d.Keep quiet
Most woman can do up to four things. If you have higher expectations, expect more errors. Personally, I work hard every day and do not have the energy to of taught her more than four.

[MrJohn]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

In reference to the original post, here are my thoughts:

1st - It is a usurpation of a man's authority to discipline any of his family members. What you ought to have done is make your complaint known to the girl's father and let him deal with it.

2nd - Since when is it a sin to burn a steak? If you are going to physically correct a woman, it should be over a point of continual sin or rebellion.

3rd - To "beat" a woman is never okay. You should not be leaving permanent or obvious damage. The Lord tells us to honor and cherish our wives, loving them as Christ loved the church, more than our own bodies. I wouldn't break my own arm or punch myself in the eye, neither would I do it to my wife. However, as a boy, I was spanked plenty. If you are going to physically correct your wive, do it on the posterior, and NEVER in anger or out of control. How will a woman respect you if you abuse her? It's the same with a child. Children respect loving correction, they rebel against abuse.

These are my thoughts on the matter. I have tried to treat the original poster with respect. I hope I will receive the same. Thank you.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

Wrong. God does not favour anyone.

Galatians 6:10

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

The verse you cited doesn't back up your claim. First of all, it doesn't say anything about who God favors or doesn't favor. Second of all, notice the word "especially". We are supposed to do good to everyone, but ESPECIALLY to Christians, i.e. we are to favor Christians.

God clearly favors certain people. God favored Jacob over Esau. God favored the Israelites over the Canaanites. God favored David over Saul. If you need me to, I can come up with many, many more examples.

No he really really really did not. Please show me in the Bible where it says that, because I just can't see it. What Jesus said was to love your neighbour, not judge and rebuke them.

Maybe you need to wipe the dust off of that Bible sitting on your shelf, crack it open, and read it for a change.

God wants us to rebuke and judge sinners with all our might:
2Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
Prov 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

To express Christ's love, we need to carry out every single commandment in the Good Book:
Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more

In John 8 Jesus clearly shows the importance of not 'judging the sinner' as you put it. Jesus reguarly interacted with sinners, and Paul encourages the reader to help the sinner gently, rather than harshly judge all the time.

Please notice the command to "go, and sin no more". He didn't just send her on her merry way to do as she pleased.

Jesus did spend a lot of time with the worst sinners, but it wasn't because He thought they were "hip" or "with it", it was because they needed the most help. Jesus wasn't some hippie, rather He was exactly like the bull-horn street preachers you see at Daytona Beach at spring break, calling sinners to repentance.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[David Goldman]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

No he really really really did not. Please show me in the Bible where it says that, because I just can't see it.

You can't see it because you don't want to see it.

Psalms 139

19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

[Johnny the teenaged mocker]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

True Christians™ love the Lord more than anyone on earth. Let no one challenge us on that point!

I ask you; Who is my neighbor? Unrepentant sodomites? Witches? Thieves or blasphemers? Of course not! When Jesus commands us to love our neighbors, He is referring to our fellow Saved© Christians. And that we do, Dacy.

Wrong. God does not favour anyone.

Galatians 6:10

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Good unto ALL men, not just the Christians.

The Bible tells us that God wants us to rebuke and judge sinners with all our might. Being a Christian isn't just wallowing in Christ's love all day long. To express Christ's love, we need to carry out every single commandment in the Good Book, not just the sugary ones.

No he really really really did not. Please show me in the Bible where it says that, because I just can't see it. What Jesus said was to love your neighbour, not judge and rebuke them.

When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more

In John 8 Jesus clearly shows the importance of not 'judging the sinner' as you put it. Jesus reguarly interacted with sinners, and Paul encourages the reader to help the sinner gently, rather than harshly judge all the time.

[SayvedByTheLord]

Re: When is it right to beat a woman?

shine yo head for a nickel

You have established yourself as a nigra shine, why not go to the introduction forum and tell us about yourself. Keep all your racists comments to yourself, just explain how you came to love Jesus.

[Darth Loser]

Re: When is it right to beat a woman?

Dear bucket of spit. Its obvious to all of us here that a few more thrashings would help you no end. Its just a pity you havent been thrashed enough to get all that darn rambunctious obstreporousness out of your god forsaken soul.

shine yo head for a nickel

EDIT: Over the line. Cut it out with the racist attacks Bobby-Joe

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

Tell me this, how can a man's litteral fist (five balled up fingers) stop someone from going to hell.

Prov 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

The Bible tells us clearly that beating someone black and blue will cleanse him or her of evil, so we know it works. I also have personal anecdotal evidence of its efficacy.

Unfortunately, the Bible doesn't give any details explaining how it works, so I'm afraid I can't answer your question without guessing. It's an interesting question, though. I'll ask Jesus about it when I see Him.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[4HisGlory]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

Obviously Jesus never had to, because His female converts were pliant and obedient.

So I will grant you this much. If a man is forced to beat his woman, then perhaps he does need to take a quick look in the mirror. It is possible that he has committed an error that has made it easier for his woman to sin.

Obviously, the closer a True Christian ™ is in his walk with God to perfection, then the easier it is for his woman to obey. Point granted. But the onus is still on the woman to obey in any circumstance. And if a woman marries a man who simply enjoys beating her, then who's fault is that, hmmm?

Amen brother! I hate having to strike my wife, I love her more that anything except of course The Lord. Sometimes though after 20 or 30 minutes of trying to explain to her what she did wrong, her eyes get that glassed over look 'you fellas know what I mean' and you can tell she's confused. Well, a little thwamp on the side of her head usually brings her right back.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

I just wish all Christans would love the Lord there God with all their heart. and love their neighbor as thy self. Is what I'm saying really that bad.

True Christians(tm) love the Lord more than anyone on earth. Let no one challenge us on that point!

I ask you; Who is my neighbor? Unrepentant sodomites? Witches? Thieves or blasphemers? Of course not! When Jesus commands us to love our neighbors, He is referring to our fellow Saved(c) Christians. And that we do, Dacy.

The Bible tells us that God wants us to rebuke and judge sinners with all our might. Being a Christian isn't just wallowing in Christ's love all day long. To express Christ's love, we need to carry out every single commandment in the Good Book, not just the sugary ones.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Please see my sermon on the subject of judging others HERE. I pray that you find it enlightening.

[dacynreynolds]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

This is not a debate forum, nancyboy. We follow the Word of God.

Minister Ezekiel, Im not trying to debate anyone! I follow the word of God to. You call me a nancy boy, I have the Spirit of God in me. Ive been saved since I was a child. All I want to do is help the next man live in the will of the Father. If I come off as debating... well I don't mean to. I just wish all Christans would love the Lord there God with all their heart. and love their neighbor as thy self. Is what I'm saying really that bad.

[dacynreynolds]

Re: when is it OK to beat a woman?

If you knew the woman you loved was going to hell, is there anything you wouldn't do to keep her from it? With the limited mental capacity of women, you can not really expect them to understand things the way men do. Just because she "has the Spirit of God in her" doesn't mean she has the cognitive ability to do what the Spirit of the Lord wishes of her. If the occasional black eye or busted lip keeps my wife from an eternity of damnation, I'm OK with that.

Tell me this, how can a man's litteral fist (five balled up fingers) stop someone from going to hell. I thought the Holy Spirit is the only one who can convict someone of sin. and if you are going to do it your supposed to restore one gently.Eph. 4:2 Be completley humble and gentle... Php. 4:5 let your gentleness be evident to all...