Re: Overwatch: Overdue For A Ban!
There are some good elements in this post. You are not just attacking someone because they disagree with you. (Over a game, I might add.) You are not merely being glib in an attempt to score points and "win" in a contest where communication is the actual goal. You are writing from the heart and offering sincere testimony of your point of view, however negative your opinions towards the Bible and ourselves.
You have risen above the level of the troll and I congratulate you.
More congratulations are in order. That is our overarching goal here at Landover Baptist. You might think it would be to get people saved, or to condemn them to hell. Neither of these things are within our power.
If one accepts the precedent that God, as known in the Bible, exists and that He gave humanity the Bible for the primary purpose of letting them know that He exists and the secondary purpose to understand His power and choose to obey Him, then it is absurd for any mere follower to pretend to subsume His power.
We can't send people to heaven or hell anymore than we wrote the Bible. We just relate what it actually says in its unexpunged contents. From there, everyone is on their own as to whether to believe and obey, or shrug and turn away.
What really, really burns our toast and leaves an unpleasant scent about the place is the fools who think they know and follow the Bible.
Many of the distressing topics you allude to are covered in the Bible and are not specifically condemned. They are codified, legislated as it were. They are set within a cultural standard that God not only endorses, but expressly commands.
I make no claim that rape is "okay" with me. Almost anyone in possession of an orifice that could be forcibly penetrated would agree it that it would likely be painful and humiliating.
God's Word touches upon the idea of a captured sex-slave being humbled, but the pain is never addressed. That person's designated status, as well as the status of the father of a virgin daughter who has been raped are addressed. Deuteronomy deals with the economic and social concerns of rape, not merely the moral aspects.
And in Deuteronomy 22, God makes it very clear that in certain locales, if a girl doesn't cry out, she's asking for it. The verses make no allowance for a girl not crying for help if the rapist is covering her mouth or holding a knife to her throat. If an omnipotent God arranged for His Holy Word to ignore such possibilities, then clearly it doesn't signify with Him.
Generally speaking, I don't waste my time arguing with Omnipotent Beings.
Can't argue with that. Social control and cohesion are almost important as what happens after death when it comes to Biblical tenets. Can you imagine how messy and unwieldy genocide, slavery, animal sacrifice, menu planning and female subjugation would be if The Lord had not stepped in with His detailed instructions?
I tried empathy once and it landed me in the hospital. I'm sure that's why a lot of people prefer to have God's instructions to guide them in moderating that particular response.
This has been covered.
Wow. You've put a LOT of thought into seeing me suffer some horrible fates. You may have more in common with some of the people I know who call themselves Christian than you realize. Perhaps that should give you pause?
Again this is getting WAY graphic and dark. You really have read the Bible, haven't you? And you've absorbed some of its core components. Nobody messes with me and mine. Rape one of my women and you pay in blood. Rape someone else and I may not get too worked up.
For illustration, read Judges 19-21. The juicy parts start when some dude tosses his girlfriend out to a crowd to be raped while he gets a good night's sleep. (You would never do that, I'm sure.) The next morning, she's lying on the doorstep and he nudges her to get up and climb on the donkey so that they can get going. Turns out that she's dead.
From there the story gets more complicated and a whole lot of people get slaughtered, including any women who are clearly not virgins, i.e. those pregnant or breast-feeding.
But the virgin girls are spared so that they can be married off (presumably whether they liked it or not) to a bunch of guys who needed pure wives so that their tribe could continue in order to fulfill God's Big Plans for His Chosen People.
Nowhere in this narrative does God speak out in condemnation of the guy who threw his girlfriend out to be raped to death. This is because she was his property and the financial issues had been resolved.
Now, the reason that guy got upset was because they raped her to the point of uselessness. (He actually cut up her corpse to make that point.)
The men who did the deed were killed--which presumably meets with your approval-- but so was nearly everybody else in the town where they lived.
Again, God doesn't speak directly on this issue. He also doesn't make any noise about all the men, boys and married women who get slaughtered when the virgins are being collected for marriage/rape/slavery, depending on how you want to look at it.
But that fellow whose chica was raped did get his revenge. Clearly, he wasn't going to let anybody mess with his relatives. (Beyond letting his woman be gang raped. But if you read the story you will see that he was only protecting himself and his host's virgin daughter which was very empathetic of him.)
It's possible that the men in that town who got slaughtered (not the rapists' town; this was the town where none of the men joined the attack to kill everybody in the rapists' town) didn't want anyone to f#ck with their relatives, as you so charmingly put it.
But that didn't work out very well for them because they weren't suitably incensed enough to go and kill all the relatives of the men who f#cked (literally) with that other guy's relative.
Whew, at this point, I don't blame you if you are confused. You really need to read the story for yourself. It's just one of the many uplifting tales of morality that the Bible offers. I'm pretty sure that it makes the point that people need God's Commands to offer them social control.
I'm not the scriptural expert many of the Brothers are, but I think that if some of the rules in Deuteronomy had been followed, a fine could have been paid and at least a few lives might have been spared. Not the woman who was raped, though. The narrative makes it fairly clear that she was asking for trouble.
Again, can't argue with that. What's really interesting is that those are mix and match options. People can be enslaved by gaming addictions as well as religions. They can laugh or hate regardless of whether they believe in a religion or not. And people who spit upon others for any reason are distasteful in the extreme.
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You have risen above the level of the troll and I congratulate you.
I have read the bible. Multiple times.
If one accepts the precedent that God, as known in the Bible, exists and that He gave humanity the Bible for the primary purpose of letting them know that He exists and the secondary purpose to understand His power and choose to obey Him, then it is absurd for any mere follower to pretend to subsume His power.
We can't send people to heaven or hell anymore than we wrote the Bible. We just relate what it actually says in its unexpunged contents. From there, everyone is on their own as to whether to believe and obey, or shrug and turn away.
What really, really burns our toast and leaves an unpleasant scent about the place is the fools who think they know and follow the Bible.
Many of the distressing topics you allude to are covered in the Bible and are not specifically condemned. They are codified, legislated as it were. They are set within a cultural standard that God not only endorses, but expressly commands.
I make no claim that rape is "okay" with me. Almost anyone in possession of an orifice that could be forcibly penetrated would agree it that it would likely be painful and humiliating.
God's Word touches upon the idea of a captured sex-slave being humbled, but the pain is never addressed. That person's designated status, as well as the status of the father of a virgin daughter who has been raped are addressed. Deuteronomy deals with the economic and social concerns of rape, not merely the moral aspects.
And in Deuteronomy 22, God makes it very clear that in certain locales, if a girl doesn't cry out, she's asking for it. The verses make no allowance for a girl not crying for help if the rapist is covering her mouth or holding a knife to her throat. If an omnipotent God arranged for His Holy Word to ignore such possibilities, then clearly it doesn't signify with Him.
Generally speaking, I don't waste my time arguing with Omnipotent Beings.
. . . the most efficient way of controlling people is through religion.
Do you know what I consider the most prescious thing in our existence? Our ability to feel empathy.
. . . And when I read/see/hear something about a man beating his wife because some thousand year old storybook told them to do that, it's a shame. Rape is okay for you?
. . .I think I can find some men who would be more than happy to rape you regardless of your marital status. Slavery is okay for you? I could go and search for you and then sell you for a nice amount of money that would do me better than you. Violence is okay for you? I could find some people who would beat you up just enough to leave you on the verge of death, where not even the Holy Jesus himself can save you.
And there is one more thing: I am a man, but I'd murder anyone who'd even think about laying a finger on my girlfriend. She is sacred to me and anyone fu<king with her will get their motherfu<king @ss kicked. Be baptist or not. Because I value her more than myself. Think about this. And if some baptist dick rapes her, I'll make sure he is going to eat that penis that took my girlfriend's virginity she reserved for me and me only. If he forces my girlfriend into a marriage, I'll force a shotgun up his rectum and pull both triggers to feel that I'm not joking when I say: "No one fu<ks with my relatives. No one."
For illustration, read Judges 19-21. The juicy parts start when some dude tosses his girlfriend out to a crowd to be raped while he gets a good night's sleep. (You would never do that, I'm sure.) The next morning, she's lying on the doorstep and he nudges her to get up and climb on the donkey so that they can get going. Turns out that she's dead.
From there the story gets more complicated and a whole lot of people get slaughtered, including any women who are clearly not virgins, i.e. those pregnant or breast-feeding.
But the virgin girls are spared so that they can be married off (presumably whether they liked it or not) to a bunch of guys who needed pure wives so that their tribe could continue in order to fulfill God's Big Plans for His Chosen People.
Nowhere in this narrative does God speak out in condemnation of the guy who threw his girlfriend out to be raped to death. This is because she was his property and the financial issues had been resolved.
Now, the reason that guy got upset was because they raped her to the point of uselessness. (He actually cut up her corpse to make that point.)
The men who did the deed were killed--which presumably meets with your approval-- but so was nearly everybody else in the town where they lived.
Again, God doesn't speak directly on this issue. He also doesn't make any noise about all the men, boys and married women who get slaughtered when the virgins are being collected for marriage/rape/slavery, depending on how you want to look at it.
But that fellow whose chica was raped did get his revenge. Clearly, he wasn't going to let anybody mess with his relatives. (Beyond letting his woman be gang raped. But if you read the story you will see that he was only protecting himself and his host's virgin daughter which was very empathetic of him.)
It's possible that the men in that town who got slaughtered (not the rapists' town; this was the town where none of the men joined the attack to kill everybody in the rapists' town) didn't want anyone to f#ck with their relatives, as you so charmingly put it.
But that didn't work out very well for them because they weren't suitably incensed enough to go and kill all the relatives of the men who f#cked (literally) with that other guy's relative.
Whew, at this point, I don't blame you if you are confused. You really need to read the story for yourself. It's just one of the many uplifting tales of morality that the Bible offers. I'm pretty sure that it makes the point that people need God's Commands to offer them social control.
I'm not the scriptural expert many of the Brothers are, but I think that if some of the rules in Deuteronomy had been followed, a fine could have been paid and at least a few lives might have been spared. Not the woman who was raped, though. The narrative makes it fairly clear that she was asking for trouble.
It is blindingly obvious that there are people enslaved by a religion, while the rest of the world either laughs, spits on or straight up hates.
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