[Xanax]

Re: Demon possession in music

Who? Is there a reason why this name should sound familiar?

She is a singer who has been away from the spot light as a result of struggling with Lime disease. Her song is amazing, and I just really passionate talking about it. You should listen to it. It’s very powerful.

[EdgeMcMuffin]

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I suppose it's a relief and a blessing to not be deliberately exposing myself to this type of musical abuse/torment. I shall never allow the wrath of Satan to penetrate my ears in such a violent and perverse way. The Lord would never forgive me if I did. Banished to Hell I would be, and would deserve it too. This is why I like to punish myself for accidentally being exposed to this type of sin - whether that's through radio stations or public TV - by pouring a little bleach down my ear canal. Satan cannot take away what isn't there. The Lord is my witness.

[Didymus Much]

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...This is why I like to punish myself for accidentally being exposed to this type of sin - whether that's through radio stations or public TV - by pouring a little bleach down my ear canal...

That's ... innovative, and probably more than a little bit dangerous. Are you sure Jesus approves?

1 Corinthians 6:9 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Why not discuss this in your introduction thread? Go here to make one.

[Basilissa]

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She is a singer who has been away from the spot light as a result of struggling with Lyme disease. Her song is amazing, and I just really passionate talking about it. You should listen to it. It’s very powerful.

Good for you. It didn't make me passionate enough to look her up, though. As you seem to know a lot about her, is there an obvious reason why God punished her with the disease?

[Xanax]

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Good for you. It didn't make me passionate enough to look her up, though. As you seem to know a lot about her, is there an obvious reason why God punished her with the disease?

How dare you pretend to know God's purpose in someone else's life. What if God is using this experience to help her grow in her faith, and draw closer to Him. How do you know this is God's punishment????? YOU ARE NOT GOD!!!

James 1:2-4
Count it all joy, my brothers,[a] when you meet trials of various kinds, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. 4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing

[Didymus Much]

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...What if God is using this experience (afflicting her with Lyme disease) to help her grow in her faith, and draw closer to Him...

Exactly Bas' point.


She's just mildly curious as to why Ms. Lavigne refuses to accept that this is God's apparent punishment for past and/or future transgressions and/or familial connections and/or heritage, and pray to Jesus to be cured, like any True Christian™ would.

edit: I think it may be because she's Canadian and the pot thing, who knows

[Basilissa]

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How dare you pretend to know God's purpose in someone else's life. What if God is using this experience to help her grow in her faith, and draw closer to Him. How do you know this is God's punishment????? YOU ARE NOT GOD!!!

That is exactly why I was asking, sweetie.

We know that everything evil that happens in the world is God's doing - I think this is the point which we both agree upon:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

So I think we both agree that God gave her he disease. Now, the reasons why He did it could be different, hence my question. Maybe she did something to deserve this sort of punishment, maybe her parents or grandparents did something to deserve punishment:

Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,
Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Or maybe the whole thing happened because God was bored and decided to play bets on human life with the Devil again, like He did with Job's fortune, health, and the lives of his family:

Job 1:6-12
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

Book of Job is such an inspiring read. God let the Devil kill Job's family and make him sick, and yet Job prevailed. In the end, God cures Job, gives him even more wealth, and new and improved sons and daughters, so I'm sure he did not miss the ones God had killed. They were just a bunch of children.

[Xanax]

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Exactly Bas' point.


She's just mildly curious as to why Ms. Lavigne refuses to accept that this is God's apparent punishment for past and/or future transgressions and/or familial connections and/or heritage, and pray to Jesus to be cured, like any True Christian™ would.

edit: I think it may be because she's Canadian and the pot thing, who knows

Everybody encounters trials in their life. The Bible does not promise that the Christian life will be easy. It does not promise that we will never get sick or encounter difficult times. That is the prosperity gospel and it is a lie.

[Didymus Much]

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...That is the prosperity gospel and it is a lie.

And your entire argument is, yet again, solely YOUR ASSERTION that it is so.

Even though anyone can pick up a Bible and read those lines in plain English, where it says God rewards His followers and cures their ailments?

"NOT IN MY BIBLE" you keep screaming, while claiming to be the one faithful Christian in the place.

So how does your BFF-in-the-sky approve the Exodus 34:14 description of His nature and motivations?

[Xanax]

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And your entire argument is, yet again, solely YOUR ASSERTION that it is so.

Even though anyone can pick up a Bible and read those lines in plain English, where it says God rewards His followers and cures their ailments?

"NOT IN MY BIBLE" you keep screaming, while claiming to be the one faithful Christian in the place.

So how does your BFF-in-the-sky approve the Exodus 34:14 description of His nature and motivations?

Yes God can heal us and bless us according to His will. But that doesn’t mean that Christians will never go through hardships, because we will as it says in James that we should consider it joy when we face trials.

[Didymus Much]

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...it says in James that we should consider it joy when we face trials.

Yet you're taking no joy at all from Ms. Lavigne's trials. It's almost like there's conflicting motives here.

[Xanax]

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Yet you're taking no joy at all from Ms. Lavigne's trials. It's almost like there's conflicting motives here.

Dude it is really not that confusing. Being a Christian does not mean we will never go through hardships. This is not biblical!

When did I say that I was taking joy and her trials. I am just quoting scripture. You are putting words in my mouth because you have nothing else to do, and you don't know how to respond in an intelligent way.

[MitzaLizalor]

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There were some suggestions about music not killing people, not causing people to kill one another or not being a tool for evil. Something like that. Which suggests that music is not a tool for anything. Satan would like everyone to think that but it's simply not true.

Music doesn't make people kill people.

Music is no cause of death

Music isn't "the Devil's tool". It's just music, nothing more, nothing less.

People respond to different types of music in different ways. Military music for example evokes things suited to military requirements such as the ability to march more enthusiastically or even more of a gung-ho approach to minefields. Brass instruments generate a more edgy scale and different militaries probably have different musical preferences for historical reasons. Strings on the other hand produce a different sound having a different effect, although violins could produce any note as required for duets with bugles. Music changes what you think and can be manipulated by tyrants to reinforce ideas no-one would otherwise accept. For some reason they always go for the same sort of stuff and of course have many millions to kill. Coincidence? Or demons! You be the judge.

Another demonstration is in so-called dance. The Bible approves of appropriate dancing, King David for instance II Samuel 6:14 or Miriam Exodus 15:20 but the way people think they'd like to dance changes when the music changes. Even slight alterations in music having the same time, written in 4's or in 3's, would make a big difference to the dancing.

in 4's	in 3's
.Music: Poules et Coqs (Saint-Saëns) .Dance: The Carolina Shag	.Music: Catacombæ (Mussorgski) .Dance: The Waltz
.Now I'm sure Brennar & Autumn could get a Carolina shag. .out of Poules et Coqs, the nimble footwork, the innovative .choreography. It would be very effective.	.Similarly with the waltz. Music “in 3's” should theoretically. .accompany any waltz. Even if it's funny sort of music for a .waltz, Fred & Ginger wouldn't be fazed!

This is very obvious. What on earth either pair would come up with is anyone's guess but already they're using some novel footwork (toe-shaking in 4's) (tap dancing in 3's) which could be developed maybe. But the point is that quite small departures, musically, from what's expected have dramatic effects on how one would behave on a dance floor even though time signatures remain the same.

Imagine what would happen in a torture chamber with mad acoustic engineers on the loose and unlimited budgets. Everyone's heard of sounds that make your ears bleed or kill whales or knock people unconscious (to stop rioting maybe) and what passes for music in some quarters is rather similar. Whether or not I'd call it music is immaterial. They call it music. It changes what they want to do, such as I've never seen a mosh pit at a Vivaldi recital and I've never heard of deaths. But deaths occur in mosh pits all the time. They're only there because of the music.

So yes, music can indeed kill.

[InMyHeart]

Re: Demon possession in music

Ok, this is just stupid. Music is just music. It's not evil, it's not demonic.

[Basilissa]

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Ok, this is just stupid. Music is just music. It's not evil, it's not demonic.

Hello and to our Godly forum! Your opinion is appreciated. However, we adhere to God's opinions as expressed in the Holy Bible, rather than opinions of some random dude (or dudette) on the internet.

God approves of Godly music:

Psalms 95:1 O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

Music that is not Godly, is, by definition, ungodly, hence, evil and demonic. Quod erat demonstrandum.