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  • #931
    Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

    Originally posted by Talitha View Post
    John 11: 24-26
    Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
    Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
    And how does that prove anything? A couple of lines from a book? That's not viable evidence. Give me real proof.

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    • #932
      Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

      Originally posted by Wide-Open View Post
      OK, you got us, there isn't any.

      The fact that He hasn't returned yet might be loosely correlated to that though.

      When He returns, you will know, and you will recognize Him.

      Revelation 1:16
      And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

      Rapture will be any day now, so Repent while you still can!
      When's he coming back though? Will I even be alive? Will any of us? And one interesting tidbit about Christianity I found appauling... You all don crosses and worship to cross, yes? What exact part of Christianity does the symbol of the cross reflect? Because after coming back from suffering on a cross, I would imagine that the last thing he would want to see is a cross.

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      • #933
        Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

        Originally posted by averagedude105 View Post
        And how does that prove anything? A couple of lines from a book? That's not viable evidence. Give me real proof.
        The Bible is The Truth.
        What more evidence do you need than the Word of God?

        Sister Talitha

        Markswoman, Circumcisionist, Platinum Tither.


        HE took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha Cumi; which is,
        being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41


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        • #934
          Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

          Originally posted by Talitha View Post
          The Bible is The Truth.
          What more evidence do you need than the Word of God?
          "How" is it the truth? That is what I do not understand. And I thought that God was some ethereal being? Therefore he could not pick up a pen or quill or whatever writing utensil and write a book on everything you should and should not do?

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          • #935
            Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

            This isn't even the point of me posting at all. I took the time to make an account and such here so I could ask why you would harp on a game? A video game??? Honestly, there must be better things to do. Let the gamers have their fun. Don't spread the word to everyone that Fallout 3 is evil. I mean, feel free to tell your Christian buddies, but I read about this thread from the other side of the internet. I don't wanna see this type of stuff on my internets.

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            • #936
              Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

              Originally posted by averagedude105 View Post
              "How" is it the truth? That is what I do not understand. And I thought that God was some ethereal being? Therefore he could not pick up a pen or quill or whatever writing utensil and write a book on everything you should and should not do?
              God can do ANYTHING.
              That's why he is God

              It's the Truth because it says so in the Bible.
              Are you really so stupid?

              From Psalm 33:
              For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
              He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

              Sister Talitha

              Markswoman, Circumcisionist, Platinum Tither.


              HE took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha Cumi; which is,
              being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41


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              • #937
                Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                Originally posted by Talitha View Post
                God can do ANYTHING.
                That's why he is God

                It's the Truth because it says so in the Bible.
                Are you really so stupid?

                From Psalm 33:
                For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
                He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
                Lovely. I am not "so stupid". I understand that it says that in the Bible, but where are the references. How can I be assured it's the truth? If God were to take some pictures or something, showing Jesus on the cross and him healing people, I'd think it was a bit more of a reliable source. You know what, why doesn't he turn me blue right now? And in big black letters, write on the wall beside me "I told you so." My entire body, turn a bright, radiant blue. If it happens, I'll believe. He's just gotta turn me blue.

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                • #938
                  Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                  Hello,

                  I am David, 21 years old and I'm a Christian and a gamer. Yes, that's right, I game AND I'm a Christian.
                  Among other games I have played this game, most of them you would label wrong and satanic.

                  You say you provide a fair and balanced assessment of this game, but I just can't see how you call this a fair and balanced assessment. I have had to create multiple assessments in school and from what I've been thought you describe both the positive and negative points of the subject you are assessing in equal quanities and you have only described a lot of negative points, most of which I do not agree with.

                  I will give you my opinion on a few of your points and you may or may not agree with what I have to say, but I think it is important to let others know how a gamer looks at them from our point of view.

                  • Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                    It is extremely violent. It features various types of sub-machine guns, nuclear weapons, rocket launchers, knives, flamethrowers, various melee weapons, and other instruments of destruction. You can't play this game without killing hundreds of people.
                    Yes, it is violent. To say it is extremely violent I think is an overstatement. Have you taken a look at other games? Have you taken a look around you? Have you taken a look at movies? How do you think people behaved in the time of Jesus? I'm fairly sure they didn't hug each other all the time and everyone was everyone's friend everywhere. There were robbers, there were thieves and violence was a part of society, just as it is today.

                    Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                  • There is a lot of cursing in this game, with the A-word, S-word, and F-word.
                  The A-word? The S-word? The F-word? You're starting to sound like Michael Jackson.
                  Originally posted by 1 THESSALONIANS 5:21-22
                  21Test everything. Hold on to the good. 22Avoid every kind of evil.
                  Why are you avoiding the facts? It is a fact those words exist. Why have you (and many others) made these words into evil? Where did it become evil? And all this still isn't part of the game, it's part of your interpretation of the game.

                  Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                • There is a "perk", if you want to call it that, called "Bloody Mess" which makes killing people even more graphic and gruesome. Your enemies explode in a mess of blood and guts.
                • There is another "perk" called Mister Sandman that allows you to kill innocent people in their sleep.
                • The worst "perk" of all is the aptly-named Cannibal that allows you to literally devour corpses. I'm not making this up!
                Yes, there are violent perks. Yes, some are gruesome. Yes, enemies can explode into a mess of blood and guts. But what happens if you get a gun and shoot someone? Indeed, it becomes a gruesome mess. What happens if you blow a person up? Guessed correctly, they become a mess of blood and guts. Why would a game have to avoid the truth? It is a fact that it WILL happen if you shoot or blow up a person. In fact, the game makes it a real overstatement. They blow up in far more pieces and it's a far greater mess then it would become in real life, thereby scaring children into NOT doing it. Would you ever do something if you would be scared something really bad and gruesome would happen?


                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • There are quests where you are assigned to kill people. One is even so blatantly called "You gotta shoot 'em in the head" where you are told to do just so.
                • Where they nice to Jesus? Did they make his death an easy one? Not really eh ...
                And you're really calling a game bad because of the name of a quest?
                Originally posted by Deuteronomy 7:1-2
                1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you- 2 and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • You can blow up an innocent town with an atom bomb. After obliverating these people, you are rewarded with money and a place to stay. What kind of message is this giving our children?
                • Was the town truely innocent? I've been told a story when I was a child. It was about this man, who was send to judge a city. He stayed on top of a hill, under a tree which would give him shade against the sun. He asked God if He would spare the city if he could find so many righteous men. God agreed and forth he went. Later he asked if He would spare the city if the man could find fewer righteous men. God agreed and forth again the man went. Lastly the man came unto God again and asked if He would spare the city if he found but one righteous man. God became unpatient and withered the tree to make a point to the man. The man went to the city but couldn't finda righteous person. I do wonder, what message was given to the children of that time?

                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • There is prostitution in the game. If you go to a place called Moriarty's Bar, there is a woman who offers to fornicate with you for a price. The player is able to have sexual relations with this woman.
                • Have you not read Genesis?
                Originally posted by Genesis 19:5-8
                5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
                6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
                7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
                8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
                7
                The 2 daughters were GIVEN for prostitution, how was that not wrong?
                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • It also promotes Computer Hacking. Through the skill "Computers", the player can hack another person's private computer, even though hacking is a federal crime.
                • Hacking is by no means a crime. Cracking is a crime. The first is a whitehat and what you're referring to is a blackhat hacker, more often known as being a cracker.
                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • It quotes the Bible out of context. One of the recurring themes revolves around Revelations 21:6..."And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely." However instead of pointing out that this verse revolves around the Lord and that He alone can provide eternal life, this game misconstrues it and takes it to mean that we can make water-purifying systems. It is a mockery of the Bible!
                • So if I get what you're saying right, just because they look at it from another point of view they make a mockery of the ENTIRE Bible? No offense, but that's bullshit. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, including those who made this game. In fact, I do like the reference to the Bible, for the simple fact that there IS a reference to the Bible. Most of the games don't even come close to that. Do you disagree that we can make water purifying machines? Do you disagree that we need to make them? In fact, the oldest water purifying machine was the scarf, which after being worn for some time was able to purify water much better then most modern systems can.

                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • The player can create their own homemade weapons like a "dart gun" and "bottlecap mine" which encourage domestic terrorist activities. How many kids might be inspired to make their own pipe bombs after playing this game?
                • I am a gamer. I do play a lot of games. Some of them are violent, much more then this one. However, if you ask people around me you will hear them say I am a very calm person. I don't fight, I don't shout, I don't curse, despite that I do play a lot of (violent) games. I shoot guns. I blow up stuff. I hit people in games. The furthest in real life I have come to doing these things was walking out of the room after a huge argument.
                Being inspired to create their own pipe bomb after playing this game? I think the entire internet and television would have to be on the blacklist. Even a difficult bomb such as a nuclear bomb can easily be found on the web. http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-T...mb-53392.shtml


                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • There is a group of misbehaving brats in a town called Little Lamplight. They do anything they want and disrespect adults. There is nothing in the game that can correct this behavior even though the Bible tells us how to deal with such rebellious imps: Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes." Nowhere in the game can you punish these children for their behavior. It tells kids they can act however they want with impugnity.
                • http://www.askdrsears.com/html/6/T062100.asp point 6:
                6. HITTING IS ACTUALLY NOT BIBLICAL
                Don't use the Bible as an excuse to spank. There is confusion in the ranks of people of Judeo-Christian heritage who, seeking help from the Bible in their effort to raise godly children, believe that God commands them to spank. They take "spare the rod and spoil the child" seriously and fear that if they don't spank, they will commit the sin of losing control of their child. In our counseling experience, we find that these people are devoted parents who love God and love their children, but they misunderstand the concept of the rod.
                Rod verses - what they really mean. The following are the biblical verseswhich have caused the greatest confusion:
                "Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him." (Prov. 22:15)
                "He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him." (Prov. 13:24)
                "Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death." (Prov. 23:13-14)
                "The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to itself disgraces his mother." (Prov. 29:15)
                At first glance these verses may sound pro-spanking. But you might consider a different interpretation of these teachings. "Rod" (shebet) means different things in different parts of the Bible. The Hebrew dictionary gives this word various meanings: a stick (for punishment, writing, fighting, ruling, walking, etc.). While the rod could be used for hitting, it was more frequently used for guiding wandering sheep. Shepherds didn't use the rod to beat their sheep - and children are certainly more valuable than sheep. As shepherd-author Philip Keller teaches so well in A Shepherd Looks At Psalm 23, the shepherd's rod was used to fight off prey and the staff was used to gently guide sheep along the right path. ("Your rod and your staff, they comfort me." – Psalm 23:4).

                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
              • Alcohol is available in this game through such forms as whiskey.
                • And alcohol wasn't available in the Bible? Jesus even made wine from water.

                Originally posted by John 2:1-11
                1On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."
                4"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
                5His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
                6Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[a]
                7Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.
                8Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."
                They did so, 9and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
                11This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him.


                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                It should come as no surprise that this game is very popular and many Oblivion players also play this game as well.
                The reason many Oblivion players also play this game has absolutely nothing to do with all of the qualities above. It is for the simple reason the game was released AFTER Oblivion and the qualities of the game attract them, just as it has attracked them to Oblivion. Whether satan has anything to do with this or not is unrelevant.


                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                Indeed this game is truly an unfruitful work of darkness. You cannot be a Christian and play this game since you are going against the Bible, as I have shown in the above quotes.
                It is your opinion. It is not a fact. I disagree with nearly all of your points and most of all with your statement that the game is satanic. That is my opinion, as it is yours that is.

                Originally posted by Rev. Jim Osborne View Post
                Friends, in my last post warning about the dangers of Oblivion, I advocated taking a stand against the stores selling that demonic game, but I feel considering Bethesda has been putting out multiple games, the only rational stand is to call for the end of Bethesda Softworks. These people should be held accountable to the law (both God's and secular) and should not be able to produce video games anymore. I encourage every Bible-believing True Christian™ reading this to let your congressman know about what is going on in this Satanic organization. Bethesda feels they can put out these sinful games at their own will, but they must be stopped.
                Without any offense intended to anyone person, this did really make me laugh. You want them to stop producing games because it is your opinion that they are sinful? You want to hold them accountable to the law?

                Originally posted by Romans 13:1-7
                vs1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.
                vs2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.
                vs3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; vs4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil.
                vs5 Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience sake." vs6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. vs7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
                It is their custom to create these games, the custom of the authority to allow them to create these games. This part of the Bible says you should follow these customs of them. Who are you then to judge them according to your standards while they live according to their own? They are not Christians, so you can't judge them by your standards, nor can you reprimand them.

                I will pray that our cause will prevail. I will pray that the Lord will put Bethesda Softworks out of business. I will pray that these criminals serve time behind bars for corrupting our youth. In Jesus' name, I pray.
                Why are you praying for your cause instead of asking for what He wants? Is what you want really that important, even more so important then trying to find His Way?

                I am a gamer, I have been a gamer from my 10th and I will continue to be a gamer for many years to come. I am also a Christian, I do believe in God and in Jesus and I am a child of Him.

                Gods Blessing

                David

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                • #939
                  Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                  OK first of all its a game... secondly its not the child's fault it's the parents fault for buying this game without full knowledge of the kid knowing that its a game! its rated M for a reason and parents shouldn't be buying these games for 12 year old's who talk over the microphone with the mouth of a sailor who just had a baby explode on his foot.

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                  • #940
                    Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                    I just came onto this forum after I heard about this thread just to say that there needs to be more people like the good Reverend to help spread the word about this filth. I too am unsaved that played these so called murder simulators but I am trying to change all of that for the good lord. Oh I hope it's not too late!

                    I would just like to say thank you again and continue to fight the good fight!

                    Also, since I am currently tainted by having played this game, I would also like to throw out that to even further insult the good lord, there is a blasphemous line that tells the player to "Praise Jesus, Praise Jesus." Only a game like this would try to further insult the good name of Jesus by putting his name into this garbage. It just infuriates me.

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                    • #941
                      Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                      Originally posted by Talitha View Post

                      It's the Truth because it says so in the Bible.
                      oh yeah, i like that. Somethin is justified within itself, that's great.

                      I may write a essay, declaring myself as the new leader of the entire world and if anyone want's a proof of my appointment, i just say: 'Hey look, it's writtin down here. So it's true, isn't it?'

                      Oh, btw: Well done David
                      He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
                      Proverbs 28:26

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                      • #942
                        Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                        Besieged by adolescents.

                        Shame they spend all their time and money on evil games and not God and bettering themselves.


                        Kiddies, living in your parents basement, eating snack cakes, drinking energy drinks then peeing in the bottles because you cannot stop playing your evil games is no way to go though life. The absolute majesty of God's Grand Design© is something to savored at every opportunity.
                        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                        Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                        Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                        Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                        Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                        Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                        • #943
                          Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                          How do you spend your childhood, Mr Hutchins?
                          He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
                          Proverbs 28:26

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                          • #944
                            Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                            Originally posted by Fpniratre View Post
                            How do you spend your childhood, Mr Hutchins?
                            Son childhood for me is past tense. I am a man of 52 now.

                            I spent it in the company of those from my Church. I spent it riding dirt bikes on God's magnificent earth. I spent it studying His words. I spent it learning how to speak, how to write. I spent it growing both body and soul.

                            I did not nor would I tolerate my children to waste away their lives over a pointless video game, much less any game that has violence or any evil.

                            I am not against video games. Heck, I play Solitaire on my computer from time to time. I do not no condone the playing of any game for days, weeks, months even years (I heard about those online role playing games that go on for ever).

                            The world is full of people whose bodies and minds have jellied because of the games. That time would be better spent improving ones' self. I had two master degrees from Princeton by age 24. I was a very successful business man by age 30. I retired when I turned 45. These gamers will still be in their parents basement at age 45, a little fatter, a little stupider.
                            Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                            Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                            Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                            Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                            Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                            Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                            • #945
                              Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

                              Just started playing the game, I love it...
                              But i must admit, Oblivion was better...

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