[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Yes, but the Bible does not say that obviously. If the Bible contained crazy rules people would not follow the Bible. But the Bible actually contains clear and logical rules, so it is not hard to follow them. God is very smart and so is his Holy Bible.

It seems part of your comment is based on you not knowing what the Bible actually says. You could consider reading it so you could get an informed opinion on the matter.

your right i'm not going on what the bible says. i'm going on what one of your fellow "true" christians has said.

quote from Pastor Ezekiel
Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study

Re: I fear our son is posessed by a demon from hell.
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How often to you beat the boy? Not often enough, I'd say.
The Holy Bible tells us to beat our children hard and often. Don't worry about hurting them. You may break a few bones and cause some brain damage, but it isn't going to kill them. And even if they do die, they'll be better off. They'll thank you in heaven for beating the hell out of them.

so is what pastor ezekiel says true? its ok to beat your children to the point of breaking bones and brain damage? or is he saying dont worry about hitting them hard. if you break bones or cause brain damage it will heal?

brain damage doesnt heal...... and broken bones on children start making the authorities ask questions like: why is this childs arm broken??

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

your right

Thank you.

i'm not going on what the bible says. i'm going on what one of your fellow "true" christians has said

I have the feeling you are taking an example out of context here.

If you really want to know what True Christians are about you can find all the details in the Holy Bible.

[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Thank you.

I have the feeling you are taking an example out of context here.

If you really want to know what True Christians are about you can find all the details in the Holy Bible.

i have read the bible. why should i read the bible again to find out how you percieve it. clearly a few of you believe it to be fine to beat your child to the point of insensibility

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

i have read the bible. why should i read the bible again to find out how you percieve it. clearly a few of you believe it to be fine to beat your child to the point of insensibility

That is only in very extreme circumstances. And since you claim to have read the Bible you are probably familiar with what the Bible has to say about this:

Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

Proverbs 23:13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell."

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Comparing shooting animals for fun and disciplining children versus the senseless violence wreaked upon innocent people due to video game influence is comparing apples and oranges.

We've already shown verses saying we must discipline our children sternly. Corporal punishment helps correct youth so they don't grow up to be unruly, sinning, God-hating miscreants. As well, we can shoot animals for fun because hunting is a Godly activity and the Bible itself tells us we have power over them (and can do whatever we want).

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

There's nothing wrong with getting together with some of your church buddies to go out in the wilderness and take out a buck with a .308 rifle, or use a pump shotgun to knock out some waterfowl. And if you want your children to play with guns, it's better to take them on hunting trips with you instead of letting them play with guns on video games. Children learn respect quickly with guns when they see how destructive they could be.

When my son was 8 years old, I took him hunting. I shot a buck, but not too cleanly, since it was lying on the ground moaning in pain, bleeding everywhere. He saw the animal and started to cry. I gave him a beating to toughen him up and chastized him for being a wimp.

Nowadays my son is a Godly man who respects guns and isn't afraid to correct his own kids, thanks to my parental sacrifices.

[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

i have never used a gun yet i know how to handle one.
i didnt get this experience from playing games i got it from reading books. i could handle a gun safely and responsibly

so because your son didnt like what he saw you hit him.

i've finally figured out what it is you all do to make your children think the way you do.

have you ever heard of conditioning?

[GOD=life]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

And of course michele did NOT address the fact that a Psychology PhD links video game violence with actual violence...

Changing the subject is a FALLACY.

[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I have not changed the subject I was commenting on Rev Jim post

but seeing as they are related heres my post from the thread: My son is possessed by the devil

I see what you’re saying that I don’t have a PhD. I don’t. But I have done research into it myself at university using research from respected psychologists and have seen the results myself. They do not PROVE that games have an affect on violence. They say that people who are already pre-disposed to violence COULD be affected by games but people who have no history of violence or mental illness are not affected as they KNOW its fantasy not real.

The thing with psychology is (seeing as you obviously know so much about It. do you have a PhD? I think not) it is a cross section looking at a few variables. Its ok to say 20 people who were tested IN A LAB showed increased aggression IN THE LAB. These people however did not carry the aggression to every day life.
The fact is more than 3 billion people play violent video games. If 3 billion people play violent video games then why there aren’t 3 billion more violent crimes than what are already registered?

You know violent acts have actually decreased with violent video game releases? Oh wait that bit of research you conveniently forgot

[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

And of course michele did NOT address the fact that a Psychology PhD links video game violence with actual violence...

Changing the subject is a FALLACY.

a psychology PhD proves nothing. a PhD is a degree, not a study

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

i have never used a gun yet i know how to handle one.
i didnt get this experience from playing games i got it from reading books. i could handle a gun safely and responsibly

so because your son didnt like what he saw you hit him.

i've finally figured out what it is you all do to make your children think the way you do.

have you ever heard of conditioning?

Michele, you only think you could handle a gun properly. Reading and doing are two different things.
Many a false Christian reads the Bible and therefore thinks they are Saved(c) when they also do not live by His word.

[GOD=life]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

a psychology PhD proves nothing. a PhD is a degree, not a study

He did a study, that's the whole point.

That's a highly-educated scientist right there saying YOU are wrong and WE are right.

[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

jane....( my new name for you James) i must admit i made an error in that post. i have handleld a gun. once or twice and i dealt with it very well. i can shoot a target and i know how to safetly disarm the gun.

just because i play games doesnt mean i will automatically go out and buy a gun and start shooting people.

[michele]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

He did a study, that's the whole point.

That's a highly-educated scientist right there saying YOU are wrong and WE are right.

where exactly in this study does it say that the people who post on the forum landoverbaptist.net are right and michael is wrong?

[Nobar King]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

where exactly in this study does it say that the people who post on the forum landoverbaptist.net are right and michael is wrong?

Wow. You post here, too. What a paradox.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

jane....( my new name for you James) i must admit i made an error in that post. i have handleld a gun. once or twice and i dealt with it very well. i can shoot a target and i know how to safetly disarm the gun.

just because i play games doesnt mean i will automatically go out and buy a gun and start shooting people.

Now michele, this is not the first time you have lied to us. I have to admit, I am getting a little tired of the lies and half truths. Facts are not something you can create out of thin air.

Playing these video games, reading a book and thinking you know all about guns are the first steps to a psychotic rampage. I see it in the news all the time. Nut job murdering is just like other devious behavior. A kid has a beer, big deal. Eventually, he is drinking the hard stuff and he moves on to mary jane. Next thing he is shooting heroin and raping old ladies. You know perfectly well of the progression I am speaking. Kid start off with a innocent (or so they think) Mario game. They move on to the games like Fallout. Next, to keep that 'rush' alive, they have to migrate to the real thing. You have not shot people, possibly true, but you have to know, you need to end that sentence with 'yet'. It is only a matter of time.