[Redeemed Papist]

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I'm trying to tell you that you can'tt take everything in the bible litteraly.
You think Jesus turned wine into water? Well, you can hate me but I think they mean that he gave the people hope, and turnedsadness into happyness.

Jesus turned water into wine. Are you sure you believe in Jesus. So hang on - because Jesus performed a miracle at a party when they ran out of wine he therefore didn't mean it about gays being abominations who deserve to die?

I'm right glad we have your thoughts instead of the Bible. You really make sense.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I actually am raised by two fathers, after they took me away from my family because my actual dad used me.
They are beautiful persons, and they're gay. So what?

I see where you're coming from, but it doesn't square with Scripture. It's a common misconception among the unsaved that just being a "beautiful person" in a way that's never quite made clear will get you God's favor. But that would be salvation through works, which is a satanic lie:

Ephesians 2:8-9: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If God said that you would have to kill your wife, parents and rape all your children, would you do it?

Let me pose the question back to you in a slightly different way: If God said that you would have to sacrifice one of your children to Him, would you do it?

[Justagirl_]

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If by "open minded" you mean claiming to believe in a God who explicitly states via His appointed scribes in the Bible that gays should be killed in both old and new testaments but then say we shouldn't be harsh and say they should be avoided and shunned...

I'm not sure if you believe in God or have just made up a fluffy sky daddy to agree with you inside your head and reassure you that your opinions are beyond debate.

Why would God make people gay, and tell their followers to kill them?
Should I kill most of my best friends and fathers is that what you're trying to tell me?
Yeah, I think I'll not end up in jail, because you know God told me to kill them?
What sick minded people are here? You want people to die because they don't love the people you want them to love?
That's like saying: Oh, you don't love this song? and then kill him.

Or is it because they don't get children? And with that you mean that women are just objects to have sex with, make them pregnant, let them have children.

[Levi Jones]

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I'm trying to tell you that you can'tt take everything in the bible litteraly.
You think Jesus turned wine into water? Well, you can hate me but I think they mean that he gave the people hope, and turnedsadness into happyness.

Jesus didn't care about happiness in this world. He said it was better for you to not care about your life or your family. You are to deny them all and focus solely on Him.

Luke 9:23-25 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.
For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I'm trying to tell you that you can'tt take everything in the bible litteraly.
You think Jesus turned wine into water? Well, you can hate me but I think they mean that he gave the people hope, and turnedsadness into happyness.

You didn't resolve the problem; you just reworded it. How do you know which parts of the Bible to take literally, and as for the parts that you don't take literally, how do you know what the correct allegorical reading is?

[Didymus Much]

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...If God said that you would have to kill your wife, parents and rape all your children, would you do it?
If you say yes: I think you're an horrible person. It's good for people to believe, but not if it causes this cruelty...

Wait, WUT? The Creator of the universe, the Alpha and Omega, appears in front of you and makes a simple request, and YOU SAY NO???

What cruelty can there be in following the explicit directions of He who is the source for all morality? If He does it, IT IS RIGHT, by definition. If you cannot understand why it isn't cruel to spray your family's innards around with a machine gun, that's just because you're human, and therefore incapable of comprehending the glory that is Him.

Romans 11:33 "O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"

[Justagirl_]

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Let me pose the question back to you in a slightly different way: If God said that you would have to sacrifice one of your children to Him, would you do it?

No. easy and clear.
Yes, I believe in God, but sacrificing your child isn't right. It's murder, and that it will always be in my eyes.
Would you do it?

[Levi Jones]

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No. easy and clear.
Yes, I believe in God, but sacrificing your child isn't right. It's murder, and that it will always be in my eyes.
Would you do it?

Of course I would!

Abraham nearly sacrifice Issac on the altar. The New Testament writers praise this act three times.

Here's just one example.

James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Now, I have to run and take my daughter to the faith healer. She is feeling a bit ill.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Why would God make people gay, and tell their followers to kill them?

The answer, as always, is in Scripture:

Romans 9:19-24: Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

But I guess we need you to tell us what that really means .

What sick minded people are here? You want people to die because they don't love the people you want them to love?
That's like saying: Oh, you don't love this song? and then kill him.

Never mind what we want; it's what God wants that matters.

Or is it because they don't get children? And with that you mean that women are just objects to have sex with, make them pregnant, let them have children.

Of course not. We have a much higher opinion of women than that. We know that they are also helps meet for men and that they have to be subject to us as though we were Jesus Christ:

Genesis 2:18: And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Ephesians 5:22-24: Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

[Justagirl_]

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Now, I have to run and take my daughter to the faith healer. She is feeling a bit ill.

Hope she'll get better soon.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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No. easy and clear.
Yes, I believe in God, but sacrificing your child isn't right. It's murder, and that it will always be in my eyes.
Would you do it?

If you believe in God you must understand the nature of Him. This comes from the Bible.

If you don't believe in what the Bible says (all of it, not just the bits you like) how can you say you believe in God?

You are contradicting yourself.

YIC

[Justagirl_]

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Of course I would!

Abraham nearly sacrifice Issac on the altar. The New Testament writers praise this act three times.

Here's just one example.

James 2:21-23 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Now, I have to run and take my daughter to the faith healer. She is feeling a bit ill.

And what if your child says it doesn't want to be sacrificed?

[Redeemed Papist]

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And what if your child says it doesn't want to be sacrificed?

What's with all this hypothetical mumbo jumbo?

Abraham's credentials as a patriarch for a nation were that because he heard a voice in his head that he knew to be God's he rushed to do its bidding and was prepared to sacrifice his only legitimate son. When he heard another voice in his head telling him to stop and sacrifice a sheep instead he did that as well. This is an example to us all of how we should love the Lord.

I've never had a voice in my head telling me it is God and that He wants me to do anything. Do you think this is likely? Does He talk to you? Does He countermand His own scripture?

Needless to say, if I did get a direct command from God to do something I would do it without question. Children have no rights so what he wanted wouldn't come into it.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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And what if your child says it doesn't want to be sacrificed?

What does that have to do with anything? If you were Abraham, would you be more worried about what Isaac wanted or about what God Almighty wanted?

[Justagirl_]

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What's with all this hypothetical mumbo jumbo?

Abraham's credentials as a patriarch for a nation were that because he heard a voice in his head that he knew to be God's he rushed to do its bidding and was prepared to sacrifice his only legitimate son. When he heard another voice in his head telling him to stop and sacrifice a sheep instead he did that as well. This is an example to us all of how we should love the Lord.

I've never had a voice in my head telling me it is God and that He wants me to do anything. Do you think this is likely? Does He talk to you? Does He countermand His own scripture?

Needless to say, if I did get a direct command from God to do something I would do it without question.

No, he doesn't talk to me, and I don't think it will ever happen because I'm not worth to hear him.
And yes, most things are higly hypotetical.
Urgh, actually I don't want to go in discussion with all of you.
You all want everyone to listen to what you say, but you never listen yourself.
So I'm going to sleep and hope my daddy's won't rape me tonight

Is what these people are doing wrong?