[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

You can read in the bible where it places adultery and homosexuality on the same line.

This is the single most stupid personal interpretation of The Word of God that I have ever heard.

The Lion and The Lamb are in the same verse, does this make Lions lambs?

Please do not make up Godly Laws or silly explanations.

So, which one of us were born without sin?

My parents were saved and abided in Christ Jesus. Where did my sin originate?

Which of you dare make a mockery of your church and Lord and claim you have the duty as a Christian to inflict pain on someone because they are different?

You have never read a bible have you? It is God who instructs us to kill homers, witches, the unbelieving, etc.

There's a special place in Hell for all of us.

There is for you - you're a false prophet

I will accept my punishment openly with a smile,

I hope you're practising.

I believe each and every one of you has sinned against God and against your church.

No. We are Saved(tm) and thus free from sin.

Never in my life have I been ashamed to be associated with Christianity. Never before today....

Yes, you are merely "associated" with Christianity. You have no idea of what God wants from us.

[MightyMouse]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

This is the single most stupid personal interpretation of The Word of God that I have ever heard.

The Lion and The Lamb are in the same verse, does this make Lions lambs?

Please do not make up Godly Laws or silly explanations.

My parents were saved and abided in Christ Jesus. Where did my sin originate? You have never read a bible have you? It is God who instructs us to kill homers, witches, the unbelieving, etc.There is for you - you're a false prophetI hope you're practising.No. We are Saved™ and thus free from sin. Yes, you are merely "associated" with Christianity. You have no idea of what God wants from us.

It must pain you to breath... Do you really believe the horse crap you have tricked yourself into thinking is right??


What's this mean then??
1 Corintians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I guess that's the part of the bible you choose to ignore because it doesn't quite line up with your life choices...
It's a sad day when you fail to realized/accept you're as damned as those you demonize.

Chump..

[Meek and Humble]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

It must pain you to breath... Do you really believe the horse crap you have tricked yourself into thinking is right??


What's this mean then??
1 Corintians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I guess that's the part of the bible you choose to ignore because it doesn't quite line up with your life choices...
It's a sad day when you fail to realized/accept you're as damned as those you demonize.

Chump..

Are you suggesting we support adultery around here friend? Absolutely not! God hates adulterers too, and they are destined to the same hell.

[Miimii]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I don't quite understand why you are being so hostile against him/her.
Let him/her live his/her life the way he/she want to. Then let God judge him/her instead of you, because you can not sit there and think like you actually know what God thinks, how He acts outside from the Bible. For God did not write it, mankind did.
Being homosexual is against God's will no matter how you look at it.
But there are still people who accept them, who looks away from their sinful actions. I respect that.
Please, pray and prey is pronounced the same, he/she made a typo.
Homosexuals are just like you and me, they just have a different sexual orientation. You are being very ignorant, and that is scaring me.
I ask of you in this thread to be more mature. Make a reasonable reply on what you think. Don't use God's words, we know what He thinks. Use your own words. Be kind...

Excuse my English, it's not my first language...
God Bless...

[handmaiden]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

It must pain you to breath... Do you really believe the horse crap you have tricked yourself into thinking is right??


What's this mean then??
1 Corintians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I guess that's the part of the bible you choose to ignore because it doesn't quite line up with your life choices...
It's a sad day when you fail to realized/accept you're as damned as those you demonize.

Chump..

Umm, I am really, really confused here. Are you supporting homosexuality? 'Cause the verse you quoted says that effeminate men and/or men who abuse themselves with mankind (you know, guys doin' stuff with other guys) are NOT going to heaven.

Also, I'm not certain how you have worked out for yourself that we have "demonized" homosexuals. We have read the Bible, including its many, many verses in which God says homosexual behavior is wrong, and -- not wanting to make ourselves greater than God and all-- we nod and take His Word for it.

Trust me, we are a lot less damned ---and deceived-- than those poor, deluded souls who clutch the Bible to their chests and smile dreamily about how Jesus loves them while engaging in same sex relations. I, frankly, have no idea how they can give any credence to all the verses that talk about love and mercy while ignoring the numerous, strongly worded condemnations regarding homosexual activity that are threaded throughout the length and breadth of the Bible.

Do they think that God is stupid? Do they think that God put so much emphasis on the sinfulness of such behavior just so they could shrug their shoulders and ignore those words as meaningless while proclaiming other words in the Bible about God's love as Absolute Truth?

Which is it, folks? Are you going to obey God or tell Him what you want to believe? And, no, we neither damn nor are we damned. We read and accept the Bible as the unabridged whole which it declares itself to be.

The Bible condemns homosexuality clearly and forcefully. We simply confront the world with its honest contents. The world refuses to see the truth set before their eyes.

Forthrightly Yours,

Handmaiden

[James Dewitt]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I don't quite understand why you are being so hostile against him/her.
Let him/her live his/her life the way he/she want to. Then let God judge him/her instead of you, because you can not sit there and think like you actually know what God thinks, how He acts outside from the Bible. For God did not write it, mankind did.
Being homosexual is against God's will no matter how you look at it.
But there are still people who accept them, who looks away from their sinful actions. I respect that.
Please, pray and prey is pronounced the same, he/she made a typo.
Homosexuals are just like you and me, they just have a different sexual orientation. You are being very ignorant, and that is scaring me.
I ask of you in this thread to be more mature. Make a reasonable reply on what you think. Don't use God's words, we know what He thinks. Use your own words. Be kind...

Excuse my English, it's not my first language...
God Bless...

What we think? Where in God's grand plan does that fit in? Really where? God has given us His word, that's right, its called the Holy Bible(KJV1611), I can find no reference or scripture where God instructs us to think about anything. God has made it quite simple, follow all of His word or go to Hell. God hates Homersexurals, He says so. But God does not say hey children what do you think about that, got a better idea?

[MightyMouse]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Umm, I am really, really confused here. Are you supporting homosexuality? 'Cause the verse you quoted says that effeminate men and/or men who abuse themselves with mankind (you know, guys doin' stuff with other guys) are NOT going to heaven.

Also, I'm not certain how you have worked out for yourself that we have "demonized" homosexuals. We have read the Bible, including its many, many verses in which God says homosexual behavior is wrong, and -- not wanting to make ourselves greater than God and all-- we nod and take His Word for it.

Trust me, we are a lot less damned ---and deceived-- than those poor, deluded souls who clutch the Bible to their chests and smile dreamily about how Jesus loves them while engaging in same sex relations. I, frankly, have no idea how they can give any credence to all the verses that talk about love and mercy while ignoring the numerous, strongly worded condemnations regarding homosexual activity that are threaded throughout the length and breadth of the Bible.

Do they think that God is stupid? Do they think that God put so much emphasis on the sinfulness of such behavior just so they could shrug their shoulders and ignore those words as meaningless while proclaiming other words in the Bible about God's love as Absolute Truth?

Which is it, folks? Are you going to obey God or tell Him what you want to believe? And, no, we neither damn nor are we damned. We read and accept the Bible as the unabridged whole which it declares itself to be.

The Bible condemns homosexuality clearly and forcefully. We simply confront the world with its honest contents. The world refuses to see the truth set before their eyes.

Forthrightly Yours,

Handmaiden

I really don't care where they're going, or how they get there. They are not trying to hurt me or my family, they are not stealing from me or my family and they are no different than the rest of us. They have their mixed nuts, just as every other group has theirs. Any way you slice it you have good and bad people in every group and if God choses to send someone to hell because of their sexual relations then that's between God and that person. If you're a Christian you should be pulling the life lessons of JESUS which were to Love your Neighbor as you love yourself, turn the other cheek, and in my readings, to be forgiving of one another and tolerant towards each other.
I understand that the bible clearly states that there is no eternal kingdom for Gays and Lesbians, but as I stated before. If you have had premarital sex it is considered adultery and you will suffer the same fate. So, to put that into perspective you, the sinner, are casting stones at other sinners and will be judged accordingly. Also, do keep in mind, it clearly states that just the thought of adultery is just as bad as the act itself.

Oh, and on a side note, to whichever douche bag put the picture of some poor down sydrom kid as my profile picture. It's not their fault they're retarded, yet they are treated as if they are a 2nd rate citizen by many "Christians" of today and yesterday.

I suppose Blacks and Asians are all going to hell as well, because they chose to live as Blacks and Asians..??

The time will come for all of us, when we have to answer to God and right now I see a lot of self destructive acts going on. If there is no way to repent for acts of adultery just as there is no way to repent for acts of homosexuality then I guess I'm as damned as the next guy and shouldn't really give much of a crap about how I live my life.. But... I think I'll wait to find out when I answer to God rather than taking your word for it. I suggest anyone who has an alternative lifestyle do the same. No one but God will be judging you on that day.

[ChristianTeenOf17]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

What the Bible Does and Does Not Say About Homosexuality
There have always been those who, despite their sincerity, misunderstand faith as a
set of legalistic moralisms. Remember, it was these people like that who demanded
the death of Jesus. Their complaint was that he took the legalisms of their faith too
lightly.
Read literally, certain parts of the Bible support slavery, degrade women as nothing
more than property, endorse racial segregation, and support genocide--all on
religious grounds. Jesus was different. He believed that God was greater than any
words we use to understand God.
People who use a few isolated, culturally and historically conditioned passages to
condemn GLBT people ignore time-honored principles of biblical interpretation and
miss the Bible's true message.
THE BIBLE AND LGTB PEOPLE
It is unfortunate that a democratic society should base its civil legislation on the
Bible or any other sacred writing. And it is unfortunate that well-meaning people of
faith think that the Bible justifies making sexual minority people second class
citizens. Since both are realities, it is important to know what the Bible does and
does not say on this subject. It is only when all of scripture is understood in its
literary and historical context that its power and truth are revealed. A few examples:
Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13
These are the most often quoted verses by those who insist that the Bible condemns
homosexuality. One principle of biblical interpretation is consistency. The verses
immediately before and after these prohibit eating rabbit, lobster, shrimp and pork.
They forbid women from wearing red dresses, and declare abomination for all who
wear clothing made of mixed fabrics. They bar from ministry anyone with any
physical defect. Shouldn't we question the motives and integrity of those who insist
these two verses are the eternal word of God, but ignore everything else in the same
document?
Genesis 19:4-11 and Judges 19:22
The best Hebrew scholars are in unanimous agreement that what happened at
Sodom was about the violation of the ancient code of hospitality toward strangers
involving a threatened homosexual rape. A parallel story in Judges tells the exact
same core story except that the rape is heterosexual and actually did happen,
resulting in the woman's death. Yet, no one suggests that is a condemnation of P A G E 2
H O M O S E X U A L I T Y & T H E B I B L E
heterosexuality. Another principle of biblical interpretation is: let the Bible interpret itself. The
books of the prophets Ezekiel, Isaiah and Jeremiah list the specific sins for which Sodom was
destroyed. They list arrogance, adultery, oppression of the poor, insincere religion and political corruption. Homosexuality is not mentioned. In Luke 10:10-13, Jesus clearly states that the
sin of Sodom was inhospitality.
Romans 1:26-32
St. Paul was suspicious, fearful and disapproving of all sexual acts. Homosexual acts were no
exception. He clearly believed that all people were heterosexual and that those engaged in homosexual acts were doing so as conscious acts of rebellion against God - an idea totally alien to
homosexual people. The exact words he uses to declare homosexual acts as "against nature,"
he also uses to describe men with long hair (even though Jesus, as a first century Jew, would
certainly have had long hair). People who take the Bible seriously (as opposed to literally)
have long since realized that many of Paul's comments on socio-cultural issues are not meant
to be binding on twenty-first century Christians. Who today argues for a return to slavery, or
that women are forbidden to speak in church?
I Corinthians 6:9-10 and I Timothy 1:5-10
These two passages include the Greek words "malakoi" and "arsenokoitai." The best Greek
scholars now admit that they are not sure what these words meant to the original writers. The
word "malakoi" is now considered to have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. The
word "arsenokoitai" has now been found in extra-biblical literature of the same period and apparantly referred to cultic temple prostitutes, not homosexuals. The New Revised Standard
Version of the Bible, translated by the world's greatest Hebrew and Greek scholars, contains a
footnote to these two words which reads, "These Greek terms...do not refer to 'homosexuals,'
as in inappropriate older translations."
The Gospels
If homosexuality were as critically important an issue as many seem to think, surely Jesus
would have said something about it. He didn't.
Conclusion
Contrary to what you might think from listening to much of the current dialogue on this issue,
the Bible is not about homosexuality. It is about a 5,000 year love affair between God and humankind.....a relationship in which God is always faithful, and we sometimes are and sometimes aren't...but in which God still chooses us to participate in bringing about a reign of peace,
justice, compassion, love and salvation on the earth, and sent Christ to show us how to do that.
People must realize that to continue to insist that the Bible condemns homosexuality is to participate in the escalating spiritual and physical violence against sexual minority people. When
people could not see, Jesus healed them. When they would not see, he condemned them.

[ChristianTeenOf17]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I positively do NOT hate the bible, I have clearly shown all the scripture and proof that is lacked by anyone else here fighting for LGBT rights in churches. You, however, have taken parts of my comment and bent it to your own sick ways. The fact that God created some people with defects, and that you despise and isolate them, shows the way that you bend scripture to make yourself feel better. God said "love thy neighbor", but how can one love their neighbor if all they see is their sexuality, their defect, or some other flaw in them. If you got hit by a bus tomorrow and became a paraplegic, would you expect and/or accept your removal from this forum? Would you not be upset that you had been discriminated against by your "brothers" here?

[Skategv]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

being gay is not okay, bisexual is. but not gay.

[NoFriendofGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

being gay is not okay, bisexual is. but not gay.

It's pretty much the same thing. Bi guys are just too shy to fully come out of the closet and admit that they aren't attracted to women. They think that saying they are attracted to both makes it more "socially acceptable."
Trust me, I should know. My poor brother claimed to be bisexual before he killed himself...

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

To ask where in the bible it says to tollerate homosexuality I only have to offer this.
You can read in the bible where it places adultery and homosexuality on the same line. Now I'm sure none of you had premarital sex and therefore you should be convinced you're well on your way to going to heaven, because adultery is an abomination. ..

Do you not know the difference between adultery and fornication?

What does this have to do with tolerance? ...
Well, wasn't it a prostitute that Jesus was speaking of when he exclaimed "May he who is without sin cast the first stone"??

No. It was a woman who had committed adultery. He then told her to "Go, and SIN NO MORE."

He did not say, "Go, and don't commit any more adultery."

He did not say, "Go, and only commit little sins, like white lies and coveting your neighbor's ass."

He said, "Go, and sin NO MORE." At all. Ever.

Need I remind you ALL that it clearly states in the New Testament that those who cast judgement on others will receive judgement 7 times over.

Chapter and verse, please.

It scares me to think that the people of Islam want all of mankind to conform to Islam or be treated as 2nd rate citizens and people whom I share my religious beliefs with share the same sentiment as Islam.

Why do you think Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all called "Abrahamic religions"? All come from Abraham. The Mosaic law is common to all three -- including executing homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators, and witches.

Jews ignored Jesus, and Muslims decided Jesus isn't God. They're basically both heretical sects of Christianity.

There's a special place in Hell for all of us. It's the choices we make that gets us sent there. If I'm going to hell because I treat my fellow man ((whether white, black, asian mexican, gay, straight, bi and whatever else) with respect and love then I will accept my punishment openly with a smile, knowing I did what was the right thing to do..

Please show me where your basis for this assertion is found in Scripture. From my read, Hell is one vast lake of fire created by God.

I don't like the idea of homosexuality. I hope they find a genetic cause for it, isolate it and rid us of it, but in the mean time gay people are here and it's not their choice to be gay, so we should accept them and offer them comfort. To treat them the way you have in this thread is on the same lines as murder in my mind, as many gay teens commit suicide because of such ridicule and hostility towards them.

I see. You just want to pity them, then exterminate them through eugenics. Probably forced abortions and sterilizations of those carrying the supposed "gay gene", right?

You could care less what God says about them being an abomination, or their decision to abandon God instead of choosing to follow Him; you're just a bigot who hates for the sake of hating, and you're happy to condemn the preborn to Hell instead of giving them a chance at Salvation.

Bigots like you disgust me.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

It's pretty much the same thing. Bi guys are just too shy to fully come out of the closet and admit that they aren't attracted to women. They think that saying they are attracted to both makes it more "socially acceptable."
Trust me, I should know. My poor brother claimed to be bisexual before he killed himself...

Thank you for admitting that there is no such thing as a bisexual. It's simply not possible for a human to be sexually attracted to both men AND women, just like it's not possible for a white man to be attracted to both white women AND black women.

[MightyMouse]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

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I see. You just want to pity them, then exterminate them through eugenics. Probably forced abortions and sterilizations of those carrying the supposed "gay gene", right?

You could care less what God says about them being an abomination, or their decision to abandon God instead of choosing to follow Him; you're just a bigot who hates for the sake of hating, and you're happy to condemn the preborn to Hell instead of giving them a chance at Salvation.

Bigots like you disgust me.

You like putting words in other people's mouths don't you?

OK, so you say it was a woman who committed adultery that Jesus protected and told to go and sin no more, but that goes completely against "there shall be no place in Gods kingdom blah blah blah... )
So are you telling me Jesus was just making stuff up?

My assertion for a special place in hell doesn't mean that there is a room with a locker waiting in hell for us. It means that we're all born into sin..

What's the point of hating people because of their sexual preference anyway?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

What's the point of hating people because of their sexual preference anyway?

Because God says they are repulsive abominations who richly deserve to be killed where they stand. Shout Glory!!

And by the way, God also tells us that homers (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

So God is holding a special place in hell for fag defenders like you. Count on it.