[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

So what is it going to be next? How about peodo's? I'm sure that they think they were born that way? What are we going to allow next , Peodo Pride day? Catholic priests dancing and blowing whistles on the back of trucks through Rome?

Serial killers, most doctors feel that their a biological bases for being a sycophant just the gays claim.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

It is not a choice!!!!!
Being gay is genetic do some REAL research NOT your dumb fairytale book!!!

For the sake of argument, I will assume there's these "genes" like you claim. Yet your evolutionist friends would shoot your idea down. So, I understand gay is genetic, like blue eyes or being tall?

But how can being gay be genetic (passed on to children) if gay people don't reproduce? According to evolution, it would die out. Yet, it seems as if homosexuality is increasing these days! This goes against the laws of genetics that your evolutionist friends claim.

And if being gay is genetic, if you took a gay man and a lesbian woman and forced them to make a baby, the baby would automatically be gay right? I mean if you take a negro man (genetic) and a negress (genetic), you would get a niglet. You don't pop out some blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid. You get a niglet. Because of genetics, like you people claim.

So, would the child be gay then?

[JUAN GARCIA, repulsive dago queer]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

ou are obviously a latent homosexual, and that's not a choice.
You are a homosexual lying about his orientation and thinking you are
"choosing" something good. You aren't choosing anything except to lie.
A lie is a lie, no matter how you try to justify it. And no matter how
much you deny it, you are still a homosexual.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

(God-mocking rant deleted)

Please supply your evidence. Your fantasies while you commit the "M" abomination aren't evidence.

[JUAN GARCIA, repulsive dago queer]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

is definitely a sounding board at times. More often than not a question is actually a statement disguised as a question. There is rudeness and then there is RUDENESS. Some of us don't mind a heated discussion. I just worry about those who are very thin skinned abusing the flagging system. I just hope people don't flag for silly disagreements.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

is definitely a sounding board at times. More often than not a question is actually a statement disguised as a question. There is rudeness and then there is RUDENESS. Some of us don't mind a heated discussion. I just worry about those who are very thin skinned abusing the flagging system. I just hope people don't flag for silly disagreements.

Dear smelly dago queer:

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE FORUM!


We're right and you're wrong, it's as simple as that. When you have God on your side, there is nothing left to debate!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

It is not a choice!!!!!
Being gay is genetic do some REAL research etc., etc.

OK, here's some concerning the Xq28 gene:

On this occasion I am going to deviate from my policy of only posting balanced and accurate information.
It will still be accurate BUT I AM GOING TO POST MATERIAL FROM HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVISTS so that you can see how ridiculous your assertion "Being gay is genetic" really is.

1

FROM: Robert L. Spitzer, “Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation?”, Archives of Sexual Behavior, Vol. 32, No. 5, October 2003: 403-417.

Columbia University Professor of Psychiatry Dr. Robert Spitzer, who was instrumental in removing homosexuality in 1973 from the American Psychiatric Association’s list of mental disorders, wrote a study published in the October 2003 Archives of Sexual Behavior. He contended that people can change their “sexual orientation” from homosexual to heterosexual. Spitzer interviewed more than 200 people, most of whom claimed that through reparative therapy counseling, their desires for same-sex partners either diminished significantly or they changed over to heterosexual orientation. Although still a proponent of homosexual activism, Spitzer has been attacked unmercifully by former admirers for this breach of the ideology that people are “born gay and can’t change.” Immutability is a central tenet of demands for “gay rights” and “gay marriage.”

2

FROM: William Byne and Bruce Parsons, “Human Sexual Orientation: The Biologic Theories Reappraised,” Archives of General Psychiatry, Vol. 50, March 1993: 228-239.

There is no evidence at present to substantiate a biologic theory. ... The appeal of current biologic explanations for sexual orientation may derive more from dissatisfaction with the present status of psychosocial explanations than from a substantiating body of experimental data.

NOTE: Byne & Parsons [Columbia University] found numerous methodological flaws in all of the studies undertaken ino "gay genes".

3

FROM: American Psychiatric Association: fact sheet, “Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Issues,” May 2000

“Currently, there is a renewed interest in searching for biological etiologies for homosexuality. However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.”

4
LESBIANS

FROM: Charles Socarides, A Freedom Too Far: A Psychoanalyst Answers 1,000 Questions About Causes and Cure and the Impact of the Gay Rights Movement on American Society Adam Margrave Books, 1996 pp151-152 & pp115-155
Laura Sessions Stepp, “Partway Gay? For Some Teen Girls, Sexual Preference Is a Shifting Concept,” The Washington Post, January 4, 2004, p. D-1.
Lisa M. Diamond, “Was it a phase? Young women’s relinquishment of lesbian/bisexual identities over a 5-year period,” Journal of Personality & Social Psychology (2004).

Other recent developments also suggest that homosexuality is not genetically determined. The Washington Post reported that bisexuality is fashionable among many young teen girls, who go back and forth from being “straight” to “gay” to “bi” to “straight” again. Post reporter Laura Sessions Stepp writes: Recent studies among women suggest that female homosexuality may be grounded more in social interaction, may present itself as an emotional attraction in addition to or in place of a physical one, and may change over time. She cites one such study by Lisa M. Diamond, assistant professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah, who in 1994 began studying a group of females aged 16 to 23 who were attracted to other females. Over the course of the study, “almost two-thirds have changed labels,” Stepp reports.

5
TWINS

FROM: J. Michael Bailey, Richard C. Pillard, “A Genetic Study of Male Sexual Orientation,” Archives of General Psychiatry 48 (1991) 1089ff
Satinover, Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, p. 85.

In 1991, J. Michael Bailey and Richard C. Pillard published a study that examined identical and fraternal twin brothers and adopted brothers in an effort to establish a genetic link to homosexuality. Fifty-two percent of the identical twins were reportedly homosexual, while only 22 percent of fraternal twins fell into the same category. But since identical twins have identical genetic material, the fact that nearly half of the identical twins were heterosexual effectively refutes the idea that homosexuality has a genetic basis.

“This finding alone argues for the enormous importance of nongenetic factors influencing homosexuality,” writes Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, “because ... in order for something to be genetically determined, as opposed to merely influenced, the genetic heritability would need to approach 100 percent.” Satinover, a psychiatrist, notes that “identical twins reared together share more significant environmental influences than nonidentical twins reared together,” and that narcissism, a key component of homosexuality, is more likely among identical twins who “grow up with mirror images of themselves.”

6

FROM: Dean H. Hamer, George Rice, Neil Risch, and George Ebers,et al. “Genetics and Male Sexual Orientation” Technical Comment, Science 285 6 August 1999: 803a.

Another fact that casts doubt on Hamer’s conclusions is that other researchers tried to replicate his study but failed. In 1999, Drs. George Rice, Neil Risch and George Ebers published their findings in Science after attempting to replicate Hamer’s Xq28 study. Their conclusion: “We were not able to confirm evidence for an Xq28-linked locus underlying male homosexuality.”
Moreover, they added that when another group of researchers (Sanders, et al.) tried to replicate Hamer’s study, they too failed to find a genetic connection to homosexuality.

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The information from Dr. Robert Spitzer [Professor of Psychiatry (Columbia University)] is particularly interesting.. You may recall that he was associated with the removal of homosexuality from the register of mental disorders.
• He has not changed his position re the register of mental disorders.

Similarly Dr. William Byne readily advocates societal acceptance of homosexuality and “gay rights,” but nevertheless concludes, “Most of the links in the chain of reasoning from biology to social policy [regarding homosexuality], do not hold up under scrutiny.”

The ongoing evaluation of all these research programmes continues to yield only one result. There is no link between homosexual behaviours and genetics, according to the researchers who work in that area. The more studies done the stronger the evidence.

The researchers I've quoted all agree that homosexuals should not be discriminated against and some are political activists. I chose them for that reason. Whether they deliberately skewed their results or knowingly omitted data which would give a more accurate result is a question as yet unresolved, but they all now accept the data of numerous studies including not only Xq28 but a bizarre range of other "biological indicators" - none of which have any basis in reality. These (and others) are available as a pdf if you can be bothered reading it.

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But from your remarks so far I'd say that you've never read anything on this subject. The pdf might one place to start. THIS would be a better one.

The opinions of Christians however do not derive from research projects undertaken by homosexual &/or gay-activist professors of psychiatry. As Pastor Ezekiel has pointed out, God tells us what to think & that is what we think. I Corinthians 1:23

Praise Him!

[FallenAngel15]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

For the sake of argument, I will assume there's these "genes" like you claim. Yet your evolutionist friends would shoot your idea down. So, I understand gay is genetic, like blue eyes or being tall?

But how can being gay be genetic (passed on to children) if gay people don't reproduce? According to evolution, it would die out. Yet, it seems as if homosexuality is increasing these days! This goes against the laws of genetics that your evolutionist friends claim.

And if being gay is genetic, if you took a gay man and a lesbian woman and forced them to make a baby, the baby would automatically be gay right? I mean if you take a negro man (genetic) and a negress (genetic), you would get a niglet. You don't pop out some blonde-haired, blue-eyed kid. You get a niglet. Because of genetics, like you people claim.

So, would the child be gay then?

Its just like having blue eyes or being tall, but I will not focus on how you say gays can't reproduce, because they cn and will instead say that the "gay gene" is in certain straight people but is dormant. And no if you took a gay man and lesbian and they had a child it would not nessicarily be gay as the gene might not be active.

why do you assume I am evolutionist? (i'm not)

[FallenAngel15]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

Dear smelly dago queer:

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE FORUM!


We're right and you're wrong, it's as simple as that. When you have God on your side, there is nothing left to debate!

GOD?? BWAAAA HAAAA HAAA HAA HA!!!!!
your god is a weak, spineless little shit compared to some of my deities.

:devil-girl:

[Zechariah Smyth]

GOD?? BWAAAA HAAAA HAAA HAA HA!!!!!
your god is a weak, spineless little shit compared to some of my deities.

:devil-girl:

Are you retarded? There is only ONE God!!!



(Malachi 2:10) * "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

YiC,

Z. Smyth
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[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

GOD?? BWAAAA HAAAA HAAA HAA HA!!!!!
your god is a weak, spineless little shit compared to some of my deities.

:devil-girl:

Ok then, I have to ask. Who are your imaginary deities?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

your god is a weak, spineless little shit compared to some of my deities.

Again with that hatred on all that does not suit your little view of the world.
Anyway, if that is so, why are you on Christian forum crying about it. Jesus made you come here and you can't leave, you are too interested about us. That's because in your heart you feel that we are right. You don't have to admit it, but it is obvious.

Love of Jesus is just that powerful.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

Its just like having blue eyes or being tall, but I will not focus on how you say gays can't reproduce, because they cn and will instead say that the "gay gene" is in certain straight people but is dormant. And no if you took a gay man and lesbian and they had a child it would not nessicarily be gay as the gene might not be active.

It is nothing at all like hair colour or height.
You asked for actual research.

SOURCES:

journals:
• Archives of Sexual Behavior
• Archives of General Psychiatry
• Journal of Personality & Social Psychology
• Science
universities:
• Columbia University
• University of Utah
professional bodies:
• American Psychiatric Association

What part of

• people can change their “sexual orientation” from homosexual to heterosexual.
• There is no evidence at present to substantiate a biologic theory.
• there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality.”
• Other recent developments also suggest that homosexuality is not genetically determined.
• effectively refutes the idea that homosexuality has a genetic basis.
• “This finding alone argues for the enormous importance of nongenetic factors influencing homosexuality,”
• other researchers tried to replicate his [Hamer's] study but failed.
• “We were not able to confirm evidence for an Xq28-linked locus underlying male homosexuality.”
• when another group of researchers…tried to replicate Hamer’s study, they too failed to find a genetic connection to homosexuality.
• the chain of reasoning (from biology to social policy [regarding homosexuality]), does not hold up under scrutiny.”

could you not understand? Do you know what research is? Do you know what a peer reviewed academic journal is?

There is no link between homosexual behaviours and genetics, according to the researchers who work in that area - including the original proponent of the idea..

How can you possibly suggest otherwise?

[H. Montague Worthington]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

Every day, thousands of young men and women are cured of their homosexural proclivities by Worship-based healers like Mr. Marcus Bachmann, husband of 2012 Presidential Candidate and headache sufferer Rep. Michelle Bachmann. So how could homosexuality POSSIBLY be something one is born with, if thousands are cured of it every day? Obviously it's a choice that some people make, either out of confusion or a moment of weakness at summer camp.



Mr. Bachmann (pictured above) is truly a great American and a man of God. You can tell just by looking at him.



On the other hand, there are pathetic and anti-American homos that spurn God, and you can tell just by looking at them--- for example, Chas Bono (pictured above).

Now I will admit that some people may have more weakness or less willpower in avoiding the temptations and allure of the homosexural lifestyle. Some people are brought up as sissies by weak-willed fathers and doting mothers. This sissification can lead to a total breakdown in the ability to tell what's right (heterosexuality) and what's wrong (homosexuality).

You know who was very good at determining if a young man or woman was susceptible to the homosexual deathstyle? This man:



Soviet economist and former Prime Minister of Russia, Yegor Gaidar. I once attended a business conference in Munich in the late 1980s, and I met the future prime minister at the hotel bar. He had an uncanny ability to tell if someone had fallen into the homo deathstyle. We sat there for hours, and he would point at people walking through the lobby of the hotel, saying "Gay...Not gay... Not gay... Definitely gay... sister, work that thing... not gay...." etc. It was an amazing thing to watch.

[Sinful Gina]

Re: Being Gay is a CHOICE: End of Discussion

I have had sexual relations with another female before.