[Jim Farmer]

Re: Introductio

• Jesus did not always talk literally. When He said, "I am the Door." He meant He was the Way to the Father. When He said, "I am the Vine." He was not a literal vine but a picture of how a person through Him bears fruit. If He meant His statement of eating His flesh and drinking His blood literally, why didn't the apostles eat His body and drink His blood when He was dead?
• The supper was instituted BEFORE the crucifixion of Jesus. Remember that when the bread was broken, Jesus was not yet even crucified. It would make no sense if the bread became His sacrificial body. Common sense really.
• To eat human flesh and drink human blood is cannibalism. Micah 3:3 is a direct condemnation of cannibalism as God uses it as a metaphor to the corruption that was happening in the days of Micah.
• It would be a violation of the incarnation. Nowhere in the Bible directly or indirectly is bread incarnated to be Jesus.
• It is not a sacrifice for sins. Jesus did not intend the Lord's supper by any means to be a sacrifice for sins but rather a REMINDER of the sacrifice of sins when He said, "Do this in REMEMBRANCE of Me." meaning it's symbolic. Funny how those words are said during a mass yet they believe it to be an ongoing sacrifice. The real sacrifice for sins happened
• It belittles Jesus to a piece of unleavened bread. Notice that during a mass that the priest holds the host and says, "Behold this is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world, happy are we who are called to his supper." and the people respond, "Lord I am not worthy to receive you but only say the word and I shall be healed." Some instances even had it that some nuns who were trying to escape a burning building, one said, "Where is Jesus?" and they tried to rescue a piece of bread that was just... bread believing it to be holy. Anybody can eat a LOT of these and still go to Hell without Jesus. Also, if it's just meant to be digested and excreted, then that person goes hungry again but Jesus says they'll never go hungry.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Introductio

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you." John 6:53

Not much room for interpretation but I am willing you discuss your argument.

Dear friend:

I think you're making the same mistake that some of Christ's hearers did:

[John 6:52 KJV] 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?

In the same chapter, we read:

[John 6:63 KJV] 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

Would Christ give us what quickens or what profits nothing? Also, the idea of continuing or repeated sacrifice of Christ contradicts the following:

[Hebrews 10:10 KJV] 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Introductio

Oh, no I meant no offense. I thought this was for introductions. It is typical, I think, when making introductions, to give a bit of background.

Well, it was my fathers decision to teach me Hebrew. That was how I first read the Old Testament: in the language Christ himself spoke and read. Arabic I learned out of necessity.

Really? I missed the punch line.

I realize it's fashionable in Yid circles to make the revisionist claim that Jesus spoke hebrew, but most reputable scholars agree that He spoke Aramaic.

Yours in Christ (NOT ZERO MOSTEL),

Z. Smyth

[Basilissa]

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Oh, no I meant no offense. I thought this was for introductions. It is typical, I think, when making introductions, to give a bit of background.

Oh. You have an interesting idea of introducing yourself. Forgive me, dear, but if I write something like "Apu Yaya, ñoka munayki," do you really think that you will be able to know me better? Or would you just think that I'm an insecure snob who tries to look superior?



(Don't bother looking it up on Google translate, this language isn't available there; it's just some insignificant dialect I've picked up from some Indians when I was on a mission in Mexico)



(It's nothing bad, it simply means "Lord, I love you")

[Witch Hammer]

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Alas no. A friend of mine just got back. We studied together in Jerusalem back in the day. There are still parts where people can be safe.

How dare you strut in here and hike your skirt in Baby Jesus' face, slut! On your knees for Him!

[Elmer G. White]

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I apologize for the confusion. I wrote a brief introduction is Koine Greek and thought it would be appreciated. I shall translate it.

Hello! I suppose I am to introduce myself. I am a Christian of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church. Your forum seems rather interesting. I received my doctorate in Philosophy from Oxford.

Koine! The language of the NT manuscripts?

Γεια σας, polite plural, OK. But this is the modern greeting, not koine! Why not
Χαίρετε!?

Verbs verbs verbs! To be. The most crucial. Conjugations in modern Greek:

Singular Plural
είμαι είμαστε
είσαι είστε, είσαστε
είναι είναι

And you have the above one. Not the classical conjugation:
εἰμί
εἶ
ἐστί(ν)
ἐσμέν
ἐστέ
εἰσί(ν)

no need to go further. This is not koine but dhimotiki, corrupted modern Grease language. Why this charade? To impress us? Why not try to impress Jesus? How could you do that?

James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

No Grace for you yet. But hope remains. Try humility. At present, you are no more fun than these sinners who mocked God as follows. Τὸ ἀεροπλοῖον ἐμὸν ἐγχελείων πλῆρές ἐστιν. However, note the diacritics that you somehow failed to use although they are absolutely crucial in koine but not in the modern degenerated language.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alvin Moss]

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I only speak American; that and Mexican, but Mexican is easy. There are only a few formal words and phrases, like: "Donde esta la farmacia" and "Manos Arriba!". They make up the rest as they go along. Pardon me, I have digressed.

I have studied this man's posts and I believe he may be a wizard. Only a wizard would want to speak dead languages. No one speaks dead languages because everyone who speaks dead languages is dead. This wizard is likely a necromancer in need of a method of communicating with the dead.

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

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I know that my English is contemptible poor (what can you expect - I live in Eskimoland), but let me say, you should write "Introduction" - with n in the end.

Well, this is not your fault I suppose. I understood that you live in Grease? Because people prefer Italian olives, which taste better, your economy is down and you have no schools there.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Hello dear and welcome. Sapientia is a pretty name but very unusual for a Greek. Tell me, why did your father choose that over Sophia? I imagine in everyday life your name is shortened - may we call you Sappy?

Arabic I learned out of necessity.

I cannot think what that necessity would be. Are you one of those jihadi brides? How many children have you spawned for Satan? Which particular variety of Arabic do you speak and why?

Of the sundry dead languages I "speak", I think it is up to ten now that I finished studying Sumarian.

Let me offer you a rule to live by: Never attempt to convince people that you "speak" a language whose name you can't spell. I imagine the main problem you have with it is the same as James Spader's in Stargate, i.e. working out the vowels.

This is not koine but dhimotiki

My money's on Γωγλ τρανσλατ.

[Sapientia]

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Dear friend:

I think you're making the same mistake that some of Christ's hearers did:

[John 6:52 KJV] 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?

In the same chapter, we read:

[John 6:63 KJV] 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

Would Christ give us what quickens or what profits nothing? Also, the idea of continuing or repeated sacrifice of Christ contradicts the following:

[Hebrews 10:10 KJV] 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].

Then Teacher, tell me, why did Christ let his disciples leave?

[Sapientia]

Re: Introductio

I realize it's fashionable in Yid circles to make the revisionist claim that Jesus spoke hebrew, but most reputable scholars agree that He spoke Aramaic.

Yours in Christ (NOT ZERO MOSTEL),

Z. Smyth

Yet, if Christ read the Torah in the Synagogue as the Scriptures say, he read it in Hebrew, the Lashon Ha-Kodesh.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Yet, if Christ read the Torah in the Synagogue as the Scriptures say, he read it in Hebrew, the Lashon Ha-Kodesh.

I can read German, Spanish and Latin, but I speak American.

Face it, you lied and got called out on it: get on with your life.

[ExGay Alex]

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I can read German, Spanish and Latin, but I speak American.

Face it, you lied and got called out on it: get on with your life.

I agree with Brother Zechariah. Dust of your Hebrew and read Proverbs 16:18, Proverbs 26:12 and Proverbs 16:5. Or just read 2 Timothy 3:2 in the KJV 1611 English. Sapentia, you in just this thread are everything Jesus hates in that verse, except maybe disobedient to parents.