[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Greetings James, when you say man is not perfect, are you talking about heathens or Born Again Christians or both?

All men (even Christians). Everyone knows this.
Every Christian is walking life on the tight rope of life, with abject failure to either side and a case of utter disappointment to God. This is why it is critical to follow the Bible EXACTLY as it was written and do what God expects WITHOUT question. To do other wise means you do not believe His Word and therefore are not a Christian.

I will pray that one day you will follow God and let Jesus walk with you hand in hand. Understand though, death bed 'conversions' do not work, God sees right through these last minutes pleas for Salvation, like a weeping man on the electric chair, a person to be mocked and ridiculed, not pitied. I visit hospitals from time to time telling the people secualr attempts at 'healing' are proof of doubt of Christianity and that if they truly loved Jesus, they would leave the hospital and go to Church instead and pray for God to heal them. If they are worthy of His Love, He will comfort them. It says so right in the Bible.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Friend, I am never satisfied is a single person does not follow the Bible EXACTLY as God expects. Let me assure you that Mr. Cresser was admonished by the Church, excluded from many functions and had many burdens placed upon him to prove the veracity of his Christian compliance.

Is man perfect? Of course not. Only God is Perfect. When/if man fails God, he must prove his value to Him. Not all men fail. sometimes it is the ones God loves the best, that He tests the hardest, that He uses for an example. I have always thought the Christians that God never tests are the ones God could care less about.

I am glad you feel 'satisfied'. How do you think God feels?

Greetings James, when you say man is not perfect, are you talking about heathens or Born Again Christians or both?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You should try it sometime.



You will post a Bible verse that has NOTHING to do with the discussion, and then in your own secular worldview you think you've "won" the intardnets, soooo....congrats?

I never said I was perfect.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

World, no, but for now in this forum I'm satisfied with one person giving biblical support.

Friend, I am never satisfied is a single person does not follow the Bible EXACTLY as God expects. Let me assure you that Mr. Cresser was admonished by the Church, excluded from many functions and had many burdens placed upon him to prove the veracity of his Christian compliance.

Is man perfect? Of course not. Only God is Perfect. When/if man fails God, he must prove his value to Him. Not all men fail. sometimes it is the ones God loves the best, that He tests the hardest, that He uses for an example. I have always thought the Christians that God never tests are the ones God could care less about.

I am glad you feel 'satisfied'. How do you think God feels?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

World, no, but for now in this forum I'm satisfied with one person giving biblical support.

You should try it sometime.



You will post a Bible verse that has NOTHING to do with the discussion, and then in your own secular worldview you think you've "won" the intardnets, soooo....congrats?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Let me get this straight. One person had a weak moment and therefore all of the rest of the world is the same.
Friend, people choose to be queersexuals. Does that mean because one flamer dances the streets of Key West, the entire world also dons gold lame shorts and speaks with a over the top hissing lisp?
I can assure you, if you look long and hard enough, you will find a man or a woman who does the most unspeakable types of perversions.
You need to stop being so narrow minded and open yourself up.

World, no, but for now in this forum I'm satisfied with one person giving biblical support.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Never mind, I got my answer from John Creeser and am not going to try and convince you.

Let me get this straight. One person had a weak moment and therefore all of the rest of the world is the same.
Friend, people choose to be queersexuals. Does that mean because one flamer dances the streets of Key West, the entire world also dons gold lame shorts and speaks with a over the top hissing lisp?
I can assure you, if you look long and hard enough, you will find a man or a woman who does the most unspeakable types of perversions.
You need to stop being so narrow minded and open yourself up.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You are trying to be cunning. You're avoiding your own clear Biblical misunderstandings and obsessions by attempting to divert the issue by turning the tide into a compulsive attack mode. And you're using a fallacy, one of the more vile ones, the fallacy of multiple questions aka the complex question.

How long have you gone without sin?

The question includes the presupposition of a definite time period. If one answers this in a simple manner one accepts the presupposition. Obviously, I don't. Nor is there any chance of your having a private session with my wife. However, if by some unfortunate accident you refer to my mother Mrs White, I wish you the best of luck.

To answer your interrogation. I am not playing your game. I am accountable to Jesus. I walk in his commandments. I don't have to twist the Gospel of John to justify my own depravity. I don't have to be intimidated by your silly fallacies. My protection is of not this world.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

James: the wife sends her greetings and thanks.

Never mind, I got my answer from John Creeser and am not going to try and convince you.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:


Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I just got off the phone with Elmer. Mrs. White is horrified with the thought of an inbred eskimoe having a 1/2 hour oral intercourse with her.

\sarcasm on
Thanks Rob, nice going.
/sarcasm off

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:


Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Yeah, yeah....we ALL sin from time to time, what's your point?. The good news is you can be forgiven for 99% of them. For instance, Jeff Dahmer is sitting at the right hand of Jesus Himself after repenting and becoming a born again True Christian™.

However, there is one send that Jesus will drop kick you straight to hell for.

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Look, I had a wet dream once. Just follow the rituals and all is good!!

Finally thanks, I could not get anybody else to admit that we all sin from time to time.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Elmer, how long have gone without sin since you were born again?

You are trying to be cunning. You're avoiding your own clear Biblical misunderstandings and obsessions by attempting to divert the issue by turning the tide into a compulsive attack mode. And you're using a fallacy, one of the more vile ones, the fallacy of multiple questions aka the complex question.

How long have you gone without sin?

The question includes the presupposition of a definite time period. If one answers this in a simple manner one accepts the presupposition. Obviously, I don't. Nor is there any chance of your having a private session with my wife. However, if by some unfortunate accident you refer to my mother Mrs White, I wish you the best of luck.

To answer your interrogation. I am not playing your game. I am accountable to Jesus. I walk in his commandments. I don't have to twist the Gospel of John to justify my own depravity. I don't have to be intimidated by your silly fallacies. My protection is of not this world.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

James: the wife sends her greetings and thanks.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I just got off the phone with Elmer. Mrs. White is horrified with the thought of an inbred eskimoe having a 1/2 hour oral intercourse with her.

\sarcasm on
Thanks Rob, nice going.
/sarcasm off

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I am crying right now.

All these great True Christians have tried. Really hare.

But you. DIRTY SINNER WHO KNOWS BIBLE LESS THAN SAMI ABORIGINALS.

You. You are just mocking.

I can not stand this anymore.

You horrible SATANS PET!!! Go away!!! You know nothing about JESUS and his endless mercy whitch goes bigger and bigger.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

LOL are you telling me what to do? Bearing false witness is a sin, you have sinned.


Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Wait...what?



Never go full retard, kid.