[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Sadly, the Gaysexual agenda has a powerful network of sexual terrorists across the world. They poison our precious fluids with excretions of gaydoom. It is only through extreme vigilance and strength along with the powers of God Almighty that we can keep the beast at bay.

Amen, homosexuality is also dangerous to society, but we don't hear that on the news or the politically correct.




by Matt Slick


Is homosexuality dangerous to society? The answer dependson what constitutes a danger. First of all, there is no objective moralstandard that secularists have with which to identify wickedness, evil, andmoral decay. At best, all that can be offered is the generic claim thatwhat is dangerous is what causes undue harm and suffering among the generalpopulation. Such dangers could include economic collapse or upheaval,war, famine, plague, earthquakes, disease, etc. We could add that dangersto society are things that weaken it, make it less viable to care for itspopulation, make it vulnerable to attack from outside and/or within. Thiscould be anything from bad religion to bad government. Also, such thingsas rampant lying, stealing, and murder would seriously undermine a healthysociety and be dangerous to it since they increase the harm and suffering ofthe society as a whole.


Okay, so now that we have something to work with, let's take alook at homosexuality and see if it is beneficial or harmful to society. Let's start with disease and see what the statistics teach us.


Disease

• 2% of U.S. population is gay yet it accounts for 61% of HIVinfection: "Men whohave sex with men [MSM] remain the group most heavily affected by new HIVinfections. While the CDC estimates that MSM represent only 2 percent of theU.S. population, they accounted for the majority (61 percent; 29,300) of allnew HIV infections in 2009. Young MSM (ages 13 to 29) were most severelyaffected, representing more than one quarter of all new HIV infectionsnationally (27 percent; 12,900 in 2009)." (Center for DiseaseControl, cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/HIVIncidencePressRelease.html)
• "A recent CDC study found that in 2008 one in five (19%)MSM in 21 major US cities were infected with HIV, and nearly half (44%) wereunaware of their infection."(http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm).
• 25% of HIV infected in U.K. unaware of their infection: "Of theestimated 86,500 people living with HIV in the United Kingdom, about 25percent are not aware they are infected, the Health Protection Agency saidrecently." (The Body, thebody.com/content/art59714.html)
  Clearly, the disease statistics related to a homosexuallifestyle prove that such a lifestyle is harmful not only to themselves butalso to others, especially when you note that in both the U.S. and U.K. largepercentages of HIV infected people don't know they are infected. This isa danger to society since it supports the spread of disease on a large scale.
  Financial Impact

• $12.1 Billion annual cost in US: "Future treatment for the 40,000people infected with HIV in the United States every year will cost $12.1billion annually, a new study showed."(msnbc.msn.com/id/15528984/ns/health-aids/t/new-us-hiv-cases-cost-billion-year/)
• $1.5 Billion Cost for 2001 in Canada: "June 2001, Halifax, NovaScotia--HIV/AIDS cost Canadians more than $2 billion in 1999 in directand indirect costs. Health care costs accounted for about $560 million;prevention, research and supports to AIDS victims for about $40 million; andlost economic production due to premature death and disability for nearly $1.5billion." (gpiatlantic.org/releases/pr_cost_aids.htm)
  The financial drain on society due to the medical costs of HIVis huge. The greater the impact, the more damage it does to the society'sfinancial stability.
  Mental Health
  How is the mental health of homosexuals and lesbians? Doesit have the same bell-curve as the rest of society? No, it doesnot. Take a look at these statistics and note that the mental healthissues are not due to social pressure and rejection by the majority of societywho considers homosexuality to be aberrant.

• " . . . homosexuals are about 50% more likely to sufferfrom depression and engage in substance abuse than the rest of the population,reports Health24.com . . . the risk of suicide jumped over 200% if anindividual had engaged in a homosexual lifestyle . . . the lifespan of ahomosexual is on average 24 years shorter than that of a heterosexual . . .While the Health 24 article suggested that homosexuals may be pushed tosubstance abuse and suicide because of anti-homosexual cultural and familypressures, empirical tests have shown that there is no difference inhomosexual health risk depending on the level of tolerance in a particularenvironment. Homosexuals in the United States and Denmark--the latter ofwhich is acknowledged to be highly tolerant of homosexuality--both die onaverage in their early 50's, or in their 40's if AIDS is the cause of death.The average age for all residents in either country ranges from themid-to-upper-70s." (onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=255614)
• 73% of the psychiatrists in the American Psychiatric Associationwho responded to a survey by Harold I. Lief said that they thought thathomosexual men are less happy than others. 70% percent said they believed that thehomosexuals' problems were due more to personal conflicts than to socialstigmatization. Study by Harold I. Lief, Sexual Survey Number 4: CurrentThinking on Homosexuality, Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality 2 (1977),pp.110-111 (Cited in Growing Up Straight by George A. Reker)."(exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
  Sexual Molestation

• Higher sexual molestation with homosexual parents: “Adisproportionate percentage--29--percent--of the adult children of homosexualparents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by thathomosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children ofheterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent. . . .Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with aparent by a factor of about 50.” (P. Cameron and K. Cameron,"Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772" (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php).
  Certainly, no one wants children molested by adults. (Unfortunately, pedophilia is now being pushed as another 'sexual orientation'see http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517). Society needs toprotect its children--not subject them to sexual pressures andmolestation. However, the homosexual lifestyle clearly presents anincreased threat to our children.
  Sexual Promiscuity
  Sexual promiscuity helps support the spread of disease. What are the promiscuity statistics of the homosexual community? Shockingly bad!

• 28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: "Bell andWeinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexualmen. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or morepartners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308."(exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
• Low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexuals. "There isan extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared tomarried heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexualfidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexualmales in their current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity. (Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, TheMale Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman,"Extramarital Sex," 170. This is extracted fromhttp://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02)
  Does anyone think that such mind-blowing promiscuity is healthyfor any society, especially when the homosexual community is particularly subjectto HIV infection? Homosexuals are members of society; and their behavior,which is a manifestation of their "orientation," is extremelydangerous.
  Death of a society
  If we produce no children, our society will die. Therewon't be enough people to support the infrastructure, medical needs, economicdevelopment, etc. That is a fact. So, common sense would tell usthat homosexuality is a danger to society since it cannot produce children tofurther the society.
  Opening the door wide
  Homosexuality is a behavior that is based, as many claim, on anorientation. What about other sexual orientations such as pedophilia,voyeurism, necrophilia, bestiality, polygamy, incest, exhibitionism, fetishes,frotterism, masochism, sadism, etc.? The arguments for and against theseother "orientations" are many, and we won't go into them here. But, who is to say that those who fall into these sexual categories won't usethe homosexual agenda's orientation argument as a basis to further their own causes? If you think this is a ridiculous idea, then you are not aware of the fact thatpedophiles are doing just that. See the article "Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals." Muslimspractice polygamy, and they are increasing in America. Mormons havepracticed it in the past, and who is to say they won't get another revelationdeclaring that it is permissible again once the homosexual movement and itsredefinition of marriage is ingrained in society? Incest is sure tofollow (See the article "Rick Santorum was right about Incest and theSlippery Slope )." The slippery slope is exactly the issue. Once sexual morays are loosed, marriage definitions and fidelity are loosened,too. Nothing happens in a society by itself since their intertwiningsocial strings have collateral effects.
  Conclusion
  So, is homosexuality dangerous to society? The facts showthat it is. We have to ask, why then would it be promoted so heavily whenit is so harmful? The only answer I can come up with (aside from abiblical one) is that the politically correct don't care about the facts. Instead, they want their agenda promoted. They want their sexual freedomwithout responsibility. They, like so many tyrants in history, want toforce their minority opinion on the majority to satisfy their own appetites.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I am not of the Devil.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I am re-born of God.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You, Mr. Sinner admit that you sin. See for yourself what that means. You are also making hasty generalizations. You are taking your own corrupt state and obsessively projecting it unto others. You're outsourcing your inner turmoil. It is understandable but also sad. It's time for you to cast out some beams. While you are trying to take us down into the whirlpool of sin with you, we are trying to persuade you to ascend with us.

Your question is a lame trick to trap someone in a debate. You think you are having a game of wits. That won't serve you when it comes down to the ultimate choice.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Elmer, how long have gone without sin since you were born again?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

queers LOL Most don't want their kids to be perverts.


You are right, spare the rod and spoil the child, the following scriptures describes all who are not born from above.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Sadly, the Gaysexual agenda has a powerful network of sexual terrorists across the world. They poison our precious fluids with excretions of gaydoom. It is only through extreme vigilance and strength along with the powers of God Almighty that we can keep the beast at bay.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Also, Bobbie, I was thinking earlier to day about a comment you made. I was giving the children their daily inspection for cleanliness and purity and as always is the case, a couple acted out and the rod had to be used.
All children are the devils playground until they are of sufficient age to by free will, make the conscious choice to give up their evil ways and become Baptized and a Christian. While I was striking one of my children, I realized that they all must have demons in them and all the evil that they do is the work of the Devil. So being bad is not thier fault, poor little dears. All I can do is my responsibilities as a father and pray they chose to be Christians and not queers.

I found the following to be comforting. I hope you will too.
Ephesians 6:11-12
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

queers LOL Most don't want their kids to be perverts.


You are right, spare the rod and spoil the child, the following scriptures describes all who are not born from above.


Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:


Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Thanks, and great scriptures.


I fully agree that the Christians sins are not counted against them, but that's only because of the blood of the Lamb, they are still sinners, a person who sins is a sinner, right. Christians strive to be perfect and walk in His perfect will 24/7, but they still sin.

You are welcome. Buy you needn't thank me. Thank God.

Though you missed 1/2 of the lesson Jesus shared with us. Once Saved and living by His Perfect Word, a person is no longer a sinner and is incapable of sinning. In essence, a True Christian™ can do no wrong. Man is born chock full of sin (see my posts regarding children) however, by the Blood of the Lamb© all the sins may be removed from the soul and that man becomes sin free.
If a man lives by the Word of God, by definition he is free of all sins.
1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Hebrews 9:12 - Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Bobby, you ask everyone the same question. Though you left me out and I do feel a bit miffed.
However, I think I'll let God respond for the weaker minded part of the congregation, while they are often capable of speaking (cackling it sounds like a lot of the time, LOL), I am a man after all and as such, must lead them.

First - All have sinned / we are all sinners/ total depravity
Genesis 8:21And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

1st Kings 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2nd Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Romans 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Romans 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hebrews 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart ); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest.

In context actually even better.

Quote:
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren,lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.


James 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

(Further elaboration in verses 13-17)

1st John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1st John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1st John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Second - Once we are saved we are sin-free
Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(Jesus took the sin away from the sinner instead of casting the first stone)

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Thanks, and great scriptures.


I fully agree that the Christians sins are not counted against them, but that's only because of the blood of the Lamb, they are still sinners, a person who sins is a sinner, right. Christians strive to be perfect and walk in His perfect will 24/7, but they still sin.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Also, Bobbie, I was thinking earlier to day about a comment you made. I was giving the children their daily inspection for cleanliness and purity and as always is the case, a couple acted out and the rod had to be used.
All children are the devils playground until they are of sufficient age to by free will, make the conscious choice to give up their evil ways and become Baptized and a Christian. While I was striking one of my children, I realized that they all must have demons in them and all the evil that they do is the work of the Devil. So being bad is not thier fault, poor little dears. All I can do is my responsibilities as a father and pray they chose to be Christians and not queers.

I found the following to be comforting. I hope you will too.
Ephesians 6:11-12
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

I am not of the Devil.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

I am re-born of God.

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You, Mr. Sinner admit that you sin. See for yourself what that means. You are also making hasty generalizations. You are taking your own corrupt state and obsessively projecting it unto others. You're outsourcing your inner turmoil. It is understandable but also sad. It's time for you to cast out some beams. While you are trying to take us down into the whirlpool of sin with you, we are trying to persuade you to ascend with us.

Your question is a lame trick to trap someone in a debate. You think you are having a game of wits. That won't serve you when it comes down to the ultimate choice.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You invited us to study God's Inerrant Word. Any response to what it actually says, without cherry picking?

Do you have a specific subject for me with a question?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Bobby, you ask everyone the same question. Though you left me out and I do feel a bit miffed.
However, I think I'll let God respond for the weaker minded part of the congregation, while they are often capable of speaking (cackling it sounds like a lot of the time, LOL), I am a man after all and as such, must lead them.

First - All have sinned / we are all sinners/ total depravity
Genesis 8:21And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

1st Kings 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

2nd Chronicles 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Romans 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Romans 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Romans 3:17 And the way of peace have they not known:
Romans 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hebrews 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart ); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest.

In context actually even better.

Quote:
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
12 Take heed, brethren,lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.


James 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

(Further elaboration in verses 13-17)

1st John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1st John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1st John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Second - Once we are saved we are sin-free
Psalm 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psalm 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psalm 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Romans 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
(Jesus took the sin away from the sinner instead of casting the first stone)

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Friend, the Bible tells as (and if the Bible says so, it is Gods Word) that murder for Him is not the same as what is known as murder by secularists.

You are not a bright whatever, are you?

A True Christian™ never lies. We follow and do as the Bible tells us to do. If you think we did something wrong, then you are accusing God of being a liar. Do you really want to travel down that doomed road to Hell?

LOL you are living in a fantasy world, we are ALL liars, but Christians are new creatures and don't sin habitually, but we all sin, if you say no you have sinned.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

I have shown you where that is not what God says. It is what you say. What you say is the opposite of what God says. And God even explains why (check out the perfect tense concerning our regeneration and the present indicative as regards the propensity to sin: it does not exist, we do not sin)

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Οἰδαμεν ὁτι πας ὁ γεγεννημενος ἐκ του Θεου οὐχ ἁμαρτανει ἀλλ’ ὁ γεννηθεις ἐκ του Θεου τηρει αὐτον, και ὁ πονηρος οὐχ ἁπτεται αὐτου.

You are directly contradicting god. Therefore I will refer you to verse 10 from the same chapter [5]:

Ὁ πιστευων εἰς τον υἱον του θεου ἐχει την μαρτυριαν ἐν αὐτῳ, ὁ μη πιστευων τῳ θεῳ ψευστην πεποιηκεν αὐτον, ὁτι οὐ πεπιστευκεν εἰς την μαρτυριαν ἡν μεμαρτυρηκεν ὁ θεος περι του υἱου αὐτου.

You are calling God a liar and wilfully; numerous passages have been posted for you and you have ignored them all. Please explain exactly how you arrive at your position (checking I John 5:18 [above] might help).

How long can you go without sin?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Speak for yourself, son. I'm no more a liar than Christ Himself, whose very Spirit animates my body, my tongue (1 Corinthians 6:19). I have become a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), not one governed by the flesh, but one born of the Spirit (John 3:6). You really have this thing about being a disgusting, revolting creature. Are you the subservient in the bedroom, too? Does Mrs. William discipline you when you are a naughty, naughty boy?

How long can you go without sinning?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

How many murders does a murderer half to commit to be a murderer?


How many lies does a person need to tell before he is labled a liar?


We ALL have told many lies.


Translation: We are ALL liars.

Friend, the Bible tells as (and if the Bible says so, it is Gods Word) that murder for Him is not the same as what is known as murder by secularists.

You are not a bright whatever, are you?

A True Christian™ never lies. We follow and do as the Bible tells us to do. If you think we did something wrong, then you are accusing God of being a liar. Do you really want to travel down that doomed road to Hell?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

That's not what the Holy Word of God says.








That's not what the Holy Word of God says.



Has Heaven and earth passed, friend?

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

3:6 No one who abides … sins. Like the phrase "practices sin" of verse 4, the sense conveyed here is the idea of habitual, constant sinning. No one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. If no check against habitual sin exists in someone who professes to be a Christian, John’s pronouncement is absolutely clear—salvation never took place.