[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You should try it sometime.



You will post a Bible verse that has NOTHING to do with the discussion, and then in your own secular worldview you think you've "won" the intardnets, soooo....congrats?

I never said I was perfect.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Friend, I am never satisfied is a single person does not follow the Bible EXACTLY as God expects. Let me assure you that Mr. Cresser was admonished by the Church, excluded from many functions and had many burdens placed upon him to prove the veracity of his Christian compliance.

Is man perfect? Of course not. Only God is Perfect. When/if man fails God, he must prove his value to Him. Not all men fail. sometimes it is the ones God loves the best, that He tests the hardest, that He uses for an example. I have always thought the Christians that God never tests are the ones God could care less about.

I am glad you feel 'satisfied'. How do you think God feels?

Greetings James, when you say man is not perfect, are you talking about heathens or Born Again Christians or both?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Greetings James, when you say man is not perfect, are you talking about heathens or Born Again Christians or both?

All men (even Christians). Everyone knows this.
Every Christian is walking life on the tight rope of life, with abject failure to either side and a case of utter disappointment to God. This is why it is critical to follow the Bible EXACTLY as it was written and do what God expects WITHOUT question. To do other wise means you do not believe His Word and therefore are not a Christian.

I will pray that one day you will follow God and let Jesus walk with you hand in hand. Understand though, death bed 'conversions' do not work, God sees right through these last minutes pleas for Salvation, like a weeping man on the electric chair, a person to be mocked and ridiculed, not pitied. I visit hospitals from time to time telling the people secualr attempts at 'healing' are proof of doubt of Christianity and that if they truly loved Jesus, they would leave the hospital and go to Church instead and pray for God to heal them. If they are worthy of His Love, He will comfort them. It says so right in the Bible.

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

All men (even Christians). Everyone knows this.
Every Christian is walking life on the tight rope of life, with abject failure to either side and a case of utter disappointment to God. This is why it is critical to follow the Bible EXACTLY as it was written and do what God expects WITHOUT question. To do other wise means you do not believe His Word and therefore are not a Christian.

I will pray that one day you will follow God and let Jesus walk with you hand in hand. Understand though, death bed 'conversions' do not work, God sees right through these last minutes pleas for Salvation, like a weeping man on the electric chair, a person to be mocked and ridiculed, not pitied. I visit hospitals from time to time telling the people secualr attempts at 'healing' are proof of doubt of Christianity and that if they truly loved Jesus, they would leave the hospital and go to Church instead and pray for God to heal them. If they are worthy of His Love, He will comfort them. It says so right in the Bible.

This makes me always confused.
THE LORD gives a wonderful gift, eternal life in HEAVEN
That is not deserved, It is MERCY!!!
Romans 9:16

And then there are people who think, it is too much for them to do something easy that LORD wants, to follow the Bible. How selfish!

Psalms 119:105
Psalms 119:130
Proverbs 3:5

HOW CAN THIS BE SO DIFFICULT?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Noah, promised land? What on Earth is this?

Let's see:

Genesis 9:1
And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Genesis 9:28-29
And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

Well, he seems to have been getting along with God fairly well.

Ever heard of Moses and the promised land?
Numbers 20:12
And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

What is this? You confuse Noah with Moses? The Bible with the Mahabharata perhaps!? People who know nothing about the Bible claim to be Christians?




Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Elmer, thanks for the correction, I meant Moses, I never said I was perfect.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Moses

Moses?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

You are trying to be cunning. You're avoiding your own clear Biblical misunderstandings and obsessions by attempting to divert the issue by turning the tide into a compulsive attack mode. And you're using a fallacy, one of the more vile ones, the fallacy of multiple questions aka the complex question.

How long have you gone without sin?

The question includes the presupposition of a definite time period. If one answers this in a simple manner one accepts the presupposition. Obviously, I don't. Nor is there any chance of your having a private session with my wife. However, if by some unfortunate accident you refer to my mother Mrs White, I wish you the best of luck.

To answer your interrogation. I am not playing your game. I am accountable to Jesus. I walk in his commandments. I don't have to twist the Gospel of John to justify my own depravity. I don't have to be intimidated by your silly fallacies. My protection is of not this world.

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

James: the wife sends her greetings and thanks.

1John 5:18 is ONLY because of what Christ has done for His children, they are sinless in the eyes of God because of acceptable sacrifice of the Lamb of God, but you still remain a sinner.

I'm not playing your game of denial, so I ask again and wait, how long have you gone without sin? It's a fair Christian question.

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Moses?

Mitza, was Moses a sinner? Please answer honestly lest you sin.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

1John 5:18 is ONLY because of what Christ has done for His children, they are sinless in the eyes of God because of acceptable sacrifice of the Lamb of God, but you still remain a sinner.

I'm not playing your game of denial, so I ask again and wait, how long have you gone without sin? It's a fair Christian question.

You really don't understand, do you? You are questioning us! How irrelevant. The key is in Jesus!

Galatians 2:19-20
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I am re-born. Christ liveth in me by the Faith I have in Him. The answer to this question and your many others can be answered by Him.

Not I, but Christ! That is the answer. I presume you won't like it or accept it. That is understandable. Accepting this answer means accepting Jesus. You'll know when you are ready for that. You are curious. You seem sincere. I see hope in you!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unmerrited favor)

Mitza, was Moses a sinner? Please answer honestly lest you sin.

Bill, you know that is a utterly moronic question.

Moses was a man. All men have sinned, starting the moment they become expressed from their mothers private parts. Touching a woman 'down there' who is not your wife and for any purpose other than the creation (not birth) of a child is a sin. The shame I feel from having my own fists and genitals inside my mothers private parts torments my thoughts daily.

Tell me, have you ever actually read the Bible and not just used it to remove the wobble from your Sybila?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

This makes me always confused.
THE LORD gives a wonderful gift, eternal life in HEAVEN
That is not deserved, It is MERCY!!!
Romans 9:16

And then there are people who think, it is too much for them to do something easy that LORD wants, to follow the Bible. How selfish!

Psalms 119:105
Psalms 119:130
Proverbs 3:5

HOW CAN THIS BE SO DIFFICULT?

Marko, one little question to see where you are at with the subject of soteriology. The Romanite (Rcc) cult says salvation is not a free gift and that the new Born Again creature has to do certain things to earn and keep their salvation, do you agree with that?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Marko, one little question to see where you are at with the subject of soteriology. The Romanite (Rcc) cult says salvation is not a free gift and that the new Born Again creature has to do certain things to earn and keep their salvation, do you agree with that?

You do seem a bit obsessed with the Roman Catholic church, dear. What's your history with them? How did they hurt you so? I ask because we don't actually support Catholic theology here, and yet you seem to continually argue against it. It's a bit like watching the senile old uncle yell about the dirty Krauts when no one has said a word about the war in like, ten years?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Marko, one little question to see where you are at with the subject of soteriology. The Romanite (Rcc) cult says salvation is not a free gift and that the new Born Again creature has to do certain things to earn and keep their salvation, do you agree with that?

Bill, this site is about Christianity, not grecian formulas. Or do you assume that because somone used the word 'Roman', they must be talking greek to you?
Were you struck with an oar?

[Robert William, Spiritual Dunce]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

Bill, this site is about Christianity, not grecian formulas. Or do you assume that because somone used the word 'Roman', they must be talking greek to you?
Were you struck with an oar?

James, you must define your terms in the area of soteriology, otherwise we won't know what you believe, besides the question was not directed to you.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Saved by Grace (unsubstantiated claims)

James, you must define your terms in the area of soteriology, otherwise we won't know what you believe, besides the question was not directed to you.

Billie, you ask women questions, do you really expect a lucid response?

Look up 'soteriology'
Tell me where it is in the Bible. Then you'll know my position and all of Landovers position.

As many members (and I) have told you, we believe in God and the KJV Bible. Not bunny rabbits and santa claus.