Hello, Just Dabbling About

[CalmQuiet]

Hello, just taking a look around. My name is Shannen. I found this forum as I was searching in the Google search engine for "Ways to Sell Your Child." Your forum is the second and third top search result on the matter. One thread from 2010 about Levi Jone's daughter (13) who he intended to sell. ( Did he manage to sell her I wonder?) The other is a page about the church purchasing youth. I was searching those things because I happened upon "Baby Factories" while researching over population and things of a darker nature like birth control, abortion, and other bad things that just shouldn't be around. I stumble into all sorts of things it seems. So I'm here now, one way or another. I'm not here to debate, argue, fight, stir the pot, or spit crow. Just here to be calm, quiet, learn and listen.


I have been baptized two times . . .
1. Catholic at birth (Eww..)
2. Mormon after my adoption ( Also Eww..)


What church do I currently attend : None


My favorite Bible verses : Genesis 2:18 - 2:20 ( I think naming all the animals must have been fun for Adam)


- Best wishes, fond greetings & apologies in advance for any typos.

[Elmer G. White]

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Hello, just taking a look around. My name is Shannen. I found this forum as I was searching in the Google search engine for "Ways to Sell Your Child." Your forum is the second and third top search result on the matter. One thread from 2010 about Levi Jone's daughter (13) who he intended to sell. ( Did he manage to sell her I wonder?) The other is a page about the church purchasing youth. I was searching those things because I happened upon "Baby Factories" while researching over population and things of a darker nature like birth control, abortion, and other bad things that just shouldn't be around. I stumble into all sorts of things it seems. So I'm here now, one way or another. I'm not here to debate, argue, fight, stir the pot, or spit crow. Just here to be calm, quiet, learn and listen.


I have been baptized two times . . .
1. Catholic at birth (Eww..)
2. Mormon after my adoption ( Also Eww..)


What church do I currently attend : None


My favorite Bible verses : Genesis 2:18 - 2:20 ( I think naming all the animals must have been fun for Adam)


- Best wishes, fond greetings & apologies in advance for any typos.

Dear Shannen,

Thank you for your calm Introduction. I also find Catholics and mormonist repulsive, so at least we share some common ground. In addition, I follow Jesus my Savior in condemning all these vile birth controls and abortions. What I quite did not understand was the talk about "baby factories". Is this a new metaphor or symbolic language? . I prefer to use the word "woman", as it is a readily understood part of our vocabulary that can also be found in the Good Book.

Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Speaking of which... How is your situation regarding your own "baby factory" (I'm witty today, aren't I? ) How many sons have you given your husband to make you pleasing in the sweet eyes of Jesus?

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Welcome to the Forum. I'm looking forward to worshiping Lord Jesus with you.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[CalmQuiet]

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Haha! A baby factory is over in other countries like Africa, Romania, Greece ( Let us Ewww again ) they are impregnating women to ship and sell to modern white families in Europe and also America for quick cash. They also sell the children to mine workers and things. Its all quite gross. No modern lingo just breeding the ugly African women to rip off white women who cannot have children or want to be spiffy. It's also happening in places like Yemen I believe. But no quoting me on that please as I haven't really dug into much.

[CalmQuiet]

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(Speaking of which... How is your situation regarding your own "baby factory" (I'm witty today, aren't I? ) How many sons have you given your husband to make you pleasing in the sweet eyes of Jesus?)


^ I am so sorry I missed this, my eyes glanced right over. I have no children and am unmarried actually haven't lay with a man. But that was witty indeed.

[Jack Glass]

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I'm not here to debate, argue, fight, stir the pot, or spit crow.

I am horrified!

The thought that you would eat a real crow is bad enough, but threatening to spit it's half chewed flesh at us is unspeakable, particularly at this time in the morning.

Is that a Mormon thing?

God has made his thoughts on this matter very clear.

Luke 12:24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

Clearly, humans are no better than the fowls. You wouldn't take human flesh into your mouth and, after masticating it for a while, spit it out, would you?

No. So, although I'm still learning and not an expert in matters theological like the godly pastors other righteous posters, and wouldn't assume to lecture you on such matters, I think Jesus wants you to leave the crows alone.

However, if you have recipes, you might want to share them here.

Glory!

[CalmQuiet]

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I am horrified!

The thought that you would eat a real crow is bad enough, but threatening to spit it's half chewed flesh at us is unspeakable, particularly at this time in the morning.

Is that a Mormon thing?

God has made his thoughts on this matter very clear.

Luke 12:24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?

Clearly, humans are no better than the fowls. You wouldn't take human flesh into your mouth and, after masticating it for a while, spit it out, would you?

No. So, although I'm still learning and not an expert in matters theological like the godly pastors other righteous posters, and wouldn't assume to lecture you on such matters, I think Jesus wants you to leave the crows alone.

However, if you have recipes, you might want to share them here.

Glory!

This made me giggle very hard! Good morning, and thank you for the laughs! I am sure the Mormons do much more disgusting things, eating crow would be the tip of the ice berg for them. Haha.

[Elmer G. White]

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This made me giggle very hard! Good morning, and thank you for the laughs! I am sure the Mormons do much more disgusting things, eating crow would be the tip of the ice berg for them. Haha.

Dear Friend,

I am sorry you feel that the Bible is humorous. I admit, it does contain parts that clearly show the sense of humor that Jesus has (for instance, the wit of Jacob or the tribulations of Job). However, this is serious. Our life on Earth last threescore and some years. Thereafter we enter the afterlife. Our thoughts and Faith here on Earth determine our fate as judged by Jesus.

Matthew 25:32-33
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

This IS serious. For men, Salvation comes from accepting Jesus, getting a Baptism and following His commandments. Women ("birth factories") have to gain Salvation through an additional procedure: begetting. The Hamite women you mentioned in your earlier reply seem to have realized this obstacle to their Eternal life in Heaven. If the modern market economy can assist them to reach this goal by providing them with the possibility of extra childbearings, it may of course seem questionable from the secular viewpoint but it can still yield spiritual benefits!

In the End (which is near), we only have to worry about the Eternity.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[CalmQuiet]

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Dear Friend,

I am sorry you feel that the Bible is humorous. I admit, it does contain parts that clearly show the sense of humor that Jesus has (for instance, the wit of Jacob or the tribulations of Job). However, this is serious. Our life on Earth last threescore and some years. Thereafter we enter the afterlife. Our thoughts and Faith here on Earth determine our fate as judged by Jesus.

Matthew 25:32-33
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

This IS serious. For men, Salvation comes from accepting Jesus, getting a Baptism and following His commandments. Women ("birth factories") have to gain Salvation through an additional procedure: begetting. The Hamite women you mentioned in your earlier reply seem to have realized this obstacle to their Eternal life in Heaven. If the modern market economy can assist them to reach this goal by providing them with the possibility of extra childbearings, it may of course seem questionable from the secular viewpoint but it can still yield spiritual benefits!

In the End (which is near), we only have to worry about the Eternity.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

I did not find the bible funny, I found that he took the phrase "spitting crow" witch means to be negative and harmful, very literally. I did not refer to women as Birth Factories, because they are instead Producers of Lords Soldiers. . . that is very different and noble. As I explained earlier "Birth Factories" are places where they create ugly bastard human babies to sell to other people for quick cash. They are doing it out of greed and with no spiritual intent. If it was otherwise I would think differently. But you are correct in all that you say.

[Basilissa]

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I did not find the bible funny, I found that he took the phrase "spitting crow" witch means to be negative and harmful, very literally. I did not refer to women as Birth Factories, because they are instead Producers of Lords Soldiers. . . that is very different and noble. As I explained earlier "Birth Factories" are places where they create ugly bastard human babies to sell to other people for quick cash. They are doing it out of greed and with no spiritual intent. If it was otherwise I would think differently. But you are correct in all that you say.

Hello, dear, and a cautious to you.

I do have a question for you: on what basis do you think that bastard babies are ugly? Personally, I find all babies ugly, but I cannot see the difference between the ugliness of babies born within the matrimony and the ugliness of babies born out of wedlock.

A complete list of differentiating characteristics will be most welcome.

[CalmQuiet]

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Hello, dear, and a cautious to you.

I do have a question for you: on what basis do you think that bastard babies are ugly? Personally, I find all babies ugly, but I cannot see the difference between the ugliness of babies born within the matrimony and the ugliness of babies born out of wedlock.

A complete list of differentiating characteristics will be most welcome.

I can see the ugliness in the eyes of a mother who holds the child, I can see the stain of hatred seeping from her spirit. Even if you produce a child for purpose, if it is not just, you will hold not the same preciousness in your heart. It is not simply wedlock these women have these children out of. It is sheer wikedness. Many children from many different fathers for personal gain. It may not be the feature of the child specifically as much as the evil may rub off on them from what they were breed into. I think the actual infants are adorable. I love children. And a fond hello to you.

[Jack Glass]

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This made me giggle very hard! Good morning, and thank you for the laughs! I am sure the Mormons do much more disgusting things, eating crow would be the tip of the ice berg for them. Haha.

I merely offered you my best understanding of the Word, yet you ridicule me in return.

I was not expecting that, but I am duly chastised for being so presumptuous that I should pontificate.

I forgive you, brother.

Job 21:3 Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on.

[Basilissa]

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I can see the ugliness in the eyes of a mother who holds the child, I can see the stain of hatred seeping from her spirit. Even if you produce a child for purpose, if it is not just, you will hold not the same preciousness in your heart. It is not simply wedlock these women have these children out of. It is sheer wikedness. Many children from many different fathers for personal gain. It may not be the feature of the child specifically as much as the evil may rub off on them from what they were breed into. I think the actual infants are adorable. I love children. And a fond hello to you.

So you find the mothers to be ugly, not the babies. Thank you for this clarification. Sometimes, though, it may not be hatred that you see seeping from their spirits (if I may borrow your elegant expression). It also could be an utter desperation and deep hopelessness.

What these desperate mothers really need, is the Bible. If they only knew that if they pray they shall receive (Matthew 21:22), all of their economic troubles would end and they would not be forced to sell their babies!

[CalmQuiet]

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So you find the mothers to be ugly, not the babies. Thank you for this clarification. Sometimes, though, it may not be hatred that you see seeping from their spirits (if I may borrow your elegant expression). It also could be an utter desperation and deep hopelessness.

What these desperate mothers really need, is the Bible. If they only knew that if they pray they shall receive (Matthew 21:22), all of their economic troubles would end and they would not be forced to sell their babies!

Hmmm I have seen videos of them biting and chewing on the children in anger. . suffocating the ones with imperfections or a nose that was just a bit too long anything that could affect the price, but a bible would help them regardless. I am sure some of them are lost and in despair and showered with hopelessness. I'm sorry about my cloudy wording, it's 2:48am here and I'm waiting for the wash to be done so I can go to sleep. Haha.

[Elmer G. White]

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...I'm waiting for the wash to be done so I can go to sleep.

Dear Friend,

It's time to put sleep aside and the appearance of Jesus approacheth again! One of the best pieces of advice in the only text that matters is as follows:

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

If you follow that one, THIS one will also become a reality for you:

Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[CalmQuiet]

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I merely offered you my best understanding of the Word, yet you ridicule me in return.

I was not expecting that, but I am duly chastised for being so presumptuous that I should pontificate.

I forgive you, brother.

Job 21:3 Suffer me that I may speak; and after that I have spoken, mock on.

Awe, I did not mean it in ridicule. I meant it as I enjoyed your literal take. It brought me joy to see how you took the words so boldly.