Take a look within yourselves

[Mordeth]

As a devout Christian I have been reading a lot of posts in these forums, and see a lot of hate and evil in them. As a Christian we are to love all beings no matter there faults. Jesus himself saved those that you would condemn to hell. It seems to me that you miss the whole meaning of the Bible. We are not the ones to judge others, we are meant to give Love to all. To judge someone based on the color of there skin is most definitely a sin. Yes we are all sinners and if you claim otherwise you are wrong and doomed to fail. A church should be open to anyone. And with your introduction to the forum as "Attention Unsaved Trash" Really? You are calling those who have not yet been saved trash. You wonder why Christians are being persecuted, it ideals like that that gives religion a bad name. I hate to tell you but there has not of yet a denomination that truly has it right. You are allowing the devil to direct your church. When Jesus said Matthew7


13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


It seems to me that this church is choosing the wide gate. You shall never condemn others. There is no writing that allows us to condemn. Jesus spoke of love not hate.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Hello Mordeth and welcome to the forums. Tell us, what church do you go to? How did you come to find Jesus and what is your favorite Bible verse?

You shall never condemn others. There is no writing that allows us to condemn.

And yet, and yet .... in your very first post you judge us. Are you familiar with the concept of irony, dear?


YiC
JL-V

[Mordeth]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

I am not judging, just stating what I have read and seen. I have not condemned. All I am saying is look within yourself. Spewing hate speech is non Christian. God gave us free will for a reason. That way we can think for ourselves question doctrine and come to a consensus. If we were to take everything we read literally and not search for another meaning or possibility we would have an even uglier world. There are figurative writings in the Bible that are not meant to be taken literally.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

As a devout Christian I have been reading a lot of posts in these forums, and see a lot of hate and evil in them. As a Christian we are to love all beings no matter there faults. Jesus himself saved those that you would condemn to hell. It seems to me that you miss the whole meaning of the Bible. We are not the ones to judge others, we are meant to give Love to all. To judge someone based on the color of there skin is most definitely a sin. Yes we are all sinners and if you claim otherwise you are wrong and doomed to fail. A church should be open to anyone. And with your introduction to the forum as "Attention Unsaved Trash" Really? You are calling those who have not yet been saved trash. You wonder why Christians are being persecuted, it ideals like that that gives religion a bad name. I hate to tell you but there has not of yet a denomination that truly has it right. You are allowing the devil to direct your church. When Jesus said Matthew7

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

It seems to me that this church is choosing the wide gate. You shall never condemn others. There is no writing that allows us to condemn. Jesus spoke of love not hate.

Dear Sinner,

How wonderful of you to visit our Forums! You are in desperate need of Bible Education and we can provide! Many people have experienced a revelation about the holistic nature of the Good Book after our treatment.

We agree with you and the Bible. Only very few of those who aspire eventually reach Heaven. For the most part, mankind will be doomed, in fact, most of the Unsaved are already doomed (John 3:18).

To assess your inexclicable hostility towards the way, how we spread the Word of Jesus to the masses, it would be jolly nice if you took the time to answer the following questions with appropriate Scriptural references.

1. Where do you get your ideas about Jesus, God, and Salvation (Matthew 21:42)?
2. What is going to happen to those who do not follow Jesus (Matthew 8:12)?
3. What is going to happen to those of other religions, including atheists (John 14:6)?
4. How is Jesus going to punish those who ignore Him (Revelation 20:15)?
5. How should we tell the Unsaved that they are Doomed unless they follow our example and choose Jesus (1 Timothy 5:20)?

What about judgment? Obviously, Jesus is going to judge the Unbelievers most harshly (Revelation 20:4), but is He alone allowed to give judgment?

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

As you can see, Jesus will give us the same fair treatment that we give others! The Love of Jesus is not mild nor lukewarm. He will show in due course His attitude towards those who reject Him (It is Jesus on the horse in the following verse)!

Revelation 19:21
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



Looking forward to your nice answers!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Phil Ander]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Mordeth,


God is the ultimate Judge, and he can inflict the terrible sentence of eternal damnation. "A fate worse than death" some would say, but it is the fate of all those who reject God and the teachings of the KJV 1611 Bible. A belief in God does not get you a place in Heaven. You only get there by the Mercy of God, and obeying the Scriptures.


There is a modern day fallacy that most of the Biblical rules only applied at the time God guided the scribes hand to write them. Absolute nonsense! Luke 16:17 shows that all the Law is applied to the end of Time.


As a True Christian ™ I regard it as my duty to point out to people when they have transgressed a Biblical Rule. I do this not from hatred, but from a genuine desire for the sinner to step away from the rim of hell, accept Jesus, and ask Him to take away the sin. If I be a small part of saving one sinner from hell then my life's work is done.


Phil

[Alvin Moss]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

As a devout Christian I have been reading a lot of posts in these forums, and see a lot of hate and evil in them. As a Christian we are to love all beings no matter there faults. Jesus himself saved those that you would condemn to hell. It seems to me that you miss the whole meaning of the Bible. We are not the ones to judge others, we are meant to give Love to all. To judge someone based on the color of there skin is most definitely a sin. Yes we are all sinners and if you claim otherwise you are wrong and doomed to fail. A church should be open to anyone. And with your introduction to the forum as "Attention Unsaved Trash" Really? You are calling those who have not yet been saved trash. You wonder why Christians are being persecuted, it ideals like that that gives religion a bad name. I hate to tell you but there has not of yet a denomination that truly has it right. You are allowing the devil to direct your church. When Jesus said Matthew7


13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

It seems to me that this church is choosing the wide gate. You shall never condemn others. There is no writing that allows us to condemn. Jesus spoke of love not hate.

As others here have pointed out, your rather pretentious introduction is thick with irony. What gall you have to descend on a pious community of Christians, here for righteous fellowship, and accuse us of unchristian and heathenish behavior.

Further, your false judgement of us casts serious doubts on your own claims to serve the Lord.

The Lord God has given us instructions in Mark 16:15-16 to spread the good news. Part of that good news is to let sinners know the danger of continuing their godless path. It is God who will condemn them, not Christians. We are simply to carry the news.

Interpret this as you will, fellow: You do not serve Jesus when you attack other Christians. You do not serve the Lord when you do not carry His word to the wretched of the Earth. As a fluffy bunny "Christian" you serve the work of Satan. Seek an honest relationship with Jesus and the Word, or it is you who will taste the Lake of Fire which burns with flaming brimstone.

God Bless!

[Basilissa]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

As a devout Christian I have been reading a lot of posts in these forums, and see a lot of hate and evil in them. As a Christian we are to love all beings no matter there faults.

It would be great if you could offer some Scriptural support for that statement. In the meantime, we do not hate anybody - God does:

Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

Jesus himself saved those that you would condemn to hell. It seems to me that you miss the whole meaning of the Bible. We are not the ones to judge others, we are meant to give Love to all. To judge someone based on the color of there skin is most definitely a sin.

Again, some Scriptural proof would have been great (if existed).

Yes we are all sinners and if you claim otherwise you are wrong and doomed to fail. A church should be open to anyone. And with your introduction to the forum as "Attention Unsaved Trash" Really? You are calling those who have not yet been saved trash. You wonder why Christians are being persecuted, it ideals like that that gives religion a bad name. I hate to tell you but there has not of yet a denomination that truly has it right. You are allowing the devil to direct your church. When Jesus said Matthew7


13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


It seems to me that this church is choosing the wide gate.

You're looking at the verse that clearly says that the MAJORITY OF HUMANITY IS CONDEMNED TO HELL, and you still don't get it?

Repent before it's too late, sinner! And don't forget to keep all Law:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

You shall never condemn others. There is no writing that allows us to condemn.

Oh, yeah? And how are we to shun the unrighteous if we don't judge who is righteous and who isn't first?

2 Corinthians 6:14-17
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Jesus spoke of love not hate.

Did He now?

Matthew 10:34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.


If that's your definition of "love not hate" then I hope I make your acquaintance in real life. I'd be scared like hell if I met someone like you.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Wonderful post, Sister Basilissa. When someone who is insecure in faith, like poster Mordeth, comes on and questions our responsibility to condemn the unworthy it only strengthens the conviction we are right.

Here at Landover Baptist Church we notify people about their future in hell. Without being told of their decadent ways, how will they know?

We have been blessed with an understanding of the Scripture few others can master. Only we, it seems, recognize that people like Mordeth are misguided by their misreading of God's Word.

The soul of Mordeth does not have a bright future.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

...Jesus himself saved those that you would condemn to hell...

Um, where?

[Mister Brasil]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Mordeth,

First, I want to thank you for visiting us at Landover Baptist. I've sent a friend request, and I sincerely hope you come back and stay awhile.

The path that Christ has laid before me to follow according to my free will or abandon and suffer eternal damnation has been long and rarely straight. Christ foresaw all this when he warned us about the false prophets that would follow him-- people who try to corrupt the bright fire that Jesus lights in our hearts with perverted "interpretations" of the Bible, a infallible document that asks no interpretation, only that we read it with an open mind.

The Bible hasn't changed since it was divinely inspired; God wouldn't do that to us. Yet the teachings of those that lead us through our studies have changed dramatically. When those leaders need multicultural or homersexual "love"-- as they do today, as Benedict Arnold Republicans court the vote of misguided, overpaid children-- those leaders teach us only half of what Jesus says.

Think about the arguments about random evolutation advanced by radical atheist extremists. They tell us, "99% of scientists agree!" And where is the other 1%? 99% is not consensus. 99.9% is not consensus.

I think that you'll find that Landover Baptist Church is all about the protection of that unfairly maligned 1%. Not the 1% of scientists who recognize the impossibility of evolutation, because the Bible doesn't ask us to love science, but only to love God. I'm talking instead about the 1% of Christians who truly love God, who humbly open the Bible and read, not what they want to hear, not what they've been taught to hear, but what the Bible actually says, in plain, unmistakable, archaic English.

Please stay around long enough to hear us study these important passages and God-given teachings that modern liberal Christianity has forgotten.

In the meantime, out of my great and humble love for all of God's children, I'll be praying for your eternal soul.

[Unfalsifiable]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

Your problem is the above, i.e. you have a problem with Jesus. Because none of these fine people deviate an INCH from his word.

Disagree with me? Prove it. Bring your example + chapter and verse.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

As a devout Christian I have been reading a lot of posts in these forums, and see a lot of hate and evil in them. As a Christian we are to love all beings no matter there faults. Jesus himself saved those that you would condemn to hell. It seems to me that you miss the whole meaning of the Bible. We are not the ones to judge others, we are meant to give Love to all. To judge someone based on the color of there skin is most definitely a sin. Yes we are all sinners and if you claim otherwise you are wrong and doomed to fail. A church should be open to anyone. And with your introduction to the forum as "Attention Unsaved Trash" Really? You are calling those who have not yet been saved trash. You wonder why Christians are being persecuted, it ideals like that that gives religion a bad name. I hate to tell you but there has not of yet a denomination that truly has it right. You are allowing the devil to direct your church. When Jesus said Matthew7

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

It seems to me that this church is choosing the wide gate. You shall never condemn others. There is no writing that allows us to condemn. Jesus spoke of love not hate.

Hello Mordeth, and welcome to our friendly forums! I took the initiative to assume you mean to exhort us, lest anyone here might be deceived by the temptation of sin (Hebrews 3:13). In any case, that's exactly what I did. I agree with you that we should always search our beliefs to see if they are Biblical or if they are inspired by worldliness.

You suggest as a Christian we are to love all beings no matter there faults. I'm not sure personally, as I am not a theologian and have never graduated from seminary school. I have, however, spent many hours on Google and even more reading the Holy Bible and meditating for answers. The Holy Ghost keeps reminding me of the Psalmist's own reply to such an idea, a reply to gleefully hate those who hate God (Psalm 139:21). Now, I'm not a Psalmist, I don't even write poetry, but tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider loving everyone, even those I am commanded to shun for the sake of my own soul, and those of my church (2nd Timothy 4:1-5). This is even more than God does, as we know He hates sinners and fools (Psalm 5:5). Some sinners He absolutely abhors. This includes Sodomites (Leviticus 20:13), but also wicked boasters (Psalm 10:3), people who love violence (Psalm 11:5), prideful people, liars, killers, mischievous people, and etc (Proverbs 6:16-19), the people of Gilgal (Hosea 9:15), and of course Esau (Malachi 1:3; Romans 9:13). God also hates cripples, dwarfs, and people with eczema (Leviticus 21:18-20). You're asking me to love them in spite of God hating them, and I'd need to see a Bible verse that tells me to go against God like that. So that made me uncomfortable and ultimately I couldn't do it. It hurt my heart too much. You see, I know too many people who have decided to reject Christ's temporary sacrifice and have therefore requested a seat on the Hell Train to take them straight to the fiery pits of damnation the moment after they draw their last breath. I imagine this is why God has turned His back on those He knows will disappoint Him, but again, I'm no theologian.

You suggest Jesus saves those we would condemn to Hell, and I think you're confused, dear. You see, we don't actually condemn anyone to Hell. Not only do we have no authority to do so, we have no power to follow through. You know what they say about speaking softly and carrying a big stick? What good is it to speak large and carry naught but a wiffle bat or pool noodle? If I am going to condemn one of my children to sleeping outside for a week for the crime of disrespecting my home, after all natural consequences are the most effective, then you can be darn sure I know I can carry through. While we cannot condemn anyone to Hell, we do share the Good News that Jesus will condemn a great many people to Hell, and if they don't believe us, we're happy to show them where the Holy Word of God promises just such a thing.

You suggest we are not to judge others, but to love everyone. I already explained how loving people who throw their souls away is not only more than God Almighty Himself does, but is emotionally distressing to me. But again, you are confused if you think we are not to judge others. In fact, we are commanded to judge others for the sake of our own salvation (1st Corinthians 5:12-13), lest they infect our faith like a cancer. If someone put something on a plate and served it to you, would you not first determine if it was food? Would you eat a brick or a tampon just because someone served it to you? If they served it on a fancy China plate, would you consider your safety any less? Why do you think we should take less consideration with regard to our eternal souls?

I'm not a sinner, and I would appreciate you not making such accusations, thank you very much. I am a Daughter of the King (2 Corinthians 6:18), a Born Again Christian, created from incorruptible seed (1 Peter 1:23), and as such, I am impervious to the wily draw of sin (1st John 3:6-9).

You don't care for the term "unsaved trash," and I agree. Personally, I would prefer we call them disgusting, filthy, crusty, smelly, foul menstrual rags like God does (Isaiah 64:6), but there's only so much room under the username. This is a short cut, but I think it gets the message across.

Finally, the reason Christians are persecuted is because of jealousy, pure and simple. You see, Lucifer and his followers were kicked out of Heaven for envy, and now they roam the spiritual world gathering as many souls as they can for their wicked games. I'm not worried because my soul is secure (John 10:28), and I know how the game ends (Revelation 20:10)!

Well, I do want to thank you for giving me a new spin on searching my heart. I feel ever so much more confident I and my Brothers and Sisters here at Landover Baptist are doing the Right Thing! We are living the faith, illustrating the Glory and Majesty of the Lord thy God by modeling for people just what it means to read, believe, and actually follow the Holy Word of God!

Glory!

\o/

[Mordeth]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Here are a few verses on condemnation that shows we are not to condemn others. Romans chapter2 1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?..
Like I said earlier I'm not here to judge you, I'm just asking for you to look within. Here are a few other verses on hate.
Matthew 6:15 But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 5:43-45 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Proverbs 15:1 A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Calling one trash is using harsh words.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Now I have given some verses that you asked for, and yes they are not the KJV but the translation is the same.
As I said earlier I am not here to persecute, judge or condemn. I am just stating some things that have bothered me as I was reading through the forums. As Christians I believe we should all look deep within our selves and see where we fall short of the Glory of God. When Jesus said he was the Sword and came not to send piece, that is true. He stirred the pot if you will. The same as I am doing here. All of mankind is the sons of God and we should all love our brothers no matter their faults.

[Mordeth]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Um, where?

Romans 4:5 wonderfully proclaims, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Amen and amen! A man's faith is COUNTED for righteousness, because we have no self-righteousness of our own to offer God (Isaiah 64:6). The Bible says here that Jesus justifieth THE UNGODLY, by faith. That is the only type of person that Jesus ever saves, an ungodly person, for to be anything else is self-righteousness.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Take a look within yourselves

Wait, so you're not judging, you're just sharing your sharing your opinion after considering the arguments?

And it is your opinion that we're doing Christianity wrong?

Oh dear!

I can't wait for God to judge me for the crime of faithfulness and obedience!