Forgiveness at the last minute

[refridgerator]

Hello brothers.

Can a man be forgiven after a life of treachery if he just ask for it in his agony the very same way did the good thief?


Ok, I'm gonna sin all my life and at the very end I'll ask for a pardon.


I think this is just plain bullshit.

[Elmer G. White]

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Hello brothers.

Can a man be forgiven after a life of treachery if he just ask for it in his agony the very same way did the good thief?

Ok, I'm gonna sin all my life and at the very end I'll ask for a pardon.

I think this is just plain bullshit.

Yes, you can. There are glorious precedents, such as Mr. Jeffrey Dahmer who led a despicable life but was Saved by the Miracle of Jesus.

However, you should know that postponing Repentance may not work for your favor, as Jesus may smite you (or anyone) any moment and you might not have any time for appropriate Repentance.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[refridgerator]

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Yes, you can. There are glorious precedents, such as Mr. Jeffrey Dahmer who led a despicable life but was Saved by the Miracle of Jesus.

However, you should know that postponing Repentance may not work for your favor, as Jesus may smite you (or anyone) any moment and you might not have any time for appropriate Repentance.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Professor, I have just read the history of Mr. Dhamer and almost puked.


There is no value in repenting when you have been caught and you have nothing to lose.


Mr. Dahmer repented because he was incarcerated for life. If he would have not been caught he would have continued raping and killing.


The act of repenting when you have nothing to lose and when you have been a treacherous man all your life, is a pusillanimous act.

[Elmer G. White]

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Professor, I have just read the history of Mr. Dhamer and almost puked.

There is no value in repenting when you have been caught and you have nothing to lose.

Mr. Dahmer repented because he was incarcerated for life. If he would have not been caught he would have continued raping and killing.

The act of repenting when you have nothing to lose and when you have been a treacherous man all your life, is a pusillanimous act.

Mr. Dahmer certainly led a disgusting life before his sentence. But he still had everything to lose, his eternal dwelling place in Heaven. You should understand that for God every unrepenting sinner is as repulsive as Mr. Dahmer (James 2:10). Jesus can wash away all sins. He clearly stated that many sinners whom we find abominable may well become respected citizns of Heaven. Praise.

Matthew 21:31
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[handmaiden]

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The fact that Jesus can forgive someone like Jeffrey Dahmer is proof of His overwhelming love. And Jesus alone can know if Dahmer is really, really sorry for his deeds and not just posturing like many, many people attending so-called "Christian" churches these days.

Think about it. Jesus is the one who suffered on the cross and bore all of our sins upon His Perfect Person. Who are we to decide which sins are too bad to be forgiven? Jesus was loaded down with ALL of them.


Everytime you fiddle with yourself, that's one more jab of pain from the thorns piercing Jesus' forehead. Keep that in mind the next time your hand wanders "down there".

[Basilissa]

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Professor, I have just read the history of Mr. Dhamer and almost puked.


There is no value in repenting when you have been caught and you have nothing to lose.


Mr. Dahmer repented because he was incarcerated for life. If he would have not been caught he would have continued raping and killing.


The act of repenting when you have nothing to lose and when you have been a treacherous man all your life, is a pusillanimous act.

Jesus forgave a sinner who was already caught and dying on a cross next to Him. If the guy was not caught and nailed to the cross next to Jesus, we can safely assume that he would have continued the life of crime.

How is that different from Mr. Dahmer case?

[James Hutchins]

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What lay people fail to realize is that God can dissect as persons soul and tell if they truly repented as Mr. Dahlmer did or if they are merely paying lip service to Jesus in return for 'giving God what He wants'.
What that means is, a death bed repenting for a life time of sin might be accepted. That is assuming God has taken notice of you and is aware of your file.
Dahlmer was so repugnant that God watched him closely for his entire life, seeing young Jeffery tourturing little animals, and eventually, watch Jeffery torture, dismember and ingest portions of his victims. No doubt, Mr. Dahlmer was going to be the poster child on a Public service Poster saying something like "Why did daddy go to Hell?'
God knew Jeffery's repenting was true and there fore accepted him in to the kingdom of Heaven.
For the average person, God is completely unaware of our existence, death and eventual disposal. So we must pray loud, give heavily and hope that God listens to us and gives St. Peter 'the nod'.
Jeffery Dahlmer set a fine example.

[BrotherLarry]

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I, for one, look forward to singing in God's Heavenly Choir alongside Jeffie Dowlmer as we cast our crowns at Jesus' feet. I hope to steal away with Jeff and discuss his crimes in great detail. That special time will show me the great extent of God's love toward repentant sinners.


I have such respect for Jesus and His Perfect Plan of Salvation. I just want to shake His nail-scarred Hand one day as I sit upon His lap and bury my head in His bosom.


GLORY!

[Marko Loimaan-Aho]

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Professor, I have just read the history of Mr. Dhamer and almost puked.


There is no value in repenting when you have been caught and you have nothing to lose.


Mr. Dahmer repented because he was incarcerated for life. If he would have not been caught he would have continued raping and killing.


The act of repenting when you have nothing to lose and when you have been a treacherous man all your life, is a pusillanimous act.

You have no understanding what Jesus has said and done!!!
Don't you understand that we ALL are caught from the moment we birth? It does not make any difference what you do when you live, if you just turn and let JESUS come into You!

I am happy that Mr Dhamer has been saved and I hope that I have some day a possibility to be there, in his company!!!

[handmaiden]

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The act of repenting when you have nothing to lose and when you have been a treacherous man all your life, is a pusillanimous act.

You need to look up the meaning of the word, "repent" in the dictionary. Then you need to sit and think about what it means. Geniune repenting isn't plea bargaining for a better deal. It's opening your heart and mind to the full force of your actions and how they have effected others.


To put it another way, if it isn't geniune, it's not repenting.


Even a half-wit atheist can see how pointless such a "repentance" would be.


Unfortunately, the world is actually filled with half-wit semi-"Christians" who never really open their hearts to anything that doesn't benefit their bank accounts or their high opinions of themselves.


Being better than the criminal Jeffrey Dahmer doesn't actually require that much effort. You could kill people in some painless way and not eat their remains and still be ranked a little higher on the scale of standard social acceptance.


So, please don't make being better than Jeffrey Dahmer your personal measure of character.

[refridgerator]

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You need to look up the meaning of the word, "repent" in the dictionary. Then you need to sit and think about what it means. Geniune repenting isn't plea bargaining for a better deal. It's opening your heart and mind to the full force of your actions and how they have effected others.


To put it another way, if it isn't geniune, it's not repenting.


Even a half-wit atheist can see how pointless such a "repentance" would be.


Unfortunately, the world is actually filled with half-wit semi-"Christians" who never really open their hearts to anything that doesn't benefit their bank accounts or their high opinions of themselves.


Being better than the criminal Jeffrey Dahmer doesn't actually require that much effort. You could kill people in some painless way and not eat their remains and still be ranked a little higher on the scale of standard social acceptance.


So, please don't make being better than Jeffrey Dahmer your personal measure of character.

Mr. Dahmer killing spree was stopped because he was caught. If he was not caught, he would continue killing.

In prison he had not the environment to continue satisfying his twisted urge. His repent is caused for the circumnstances not because he heard some God voice.

I agree that God knows if his repent is genuine.

Let's see a potential criminal:

He wants to kill but he fears he is going to hell. Now, with Mr. Dhamer example, he decides to kill, and if caught he will repent "genuinely" and save his soul.

God knows beforehand that he is going to kill to be saved later.
¿Can this criminal be saved?

[Basilissa]

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Mr. Dahmer killing spree was stopped because he was caught. If he was not caught, he would continue killing.

In prison he had not the environment to continue satisfying his twisted urge. His repent is caused for the circumnstances not because he heard some God voice.

You don't know that.

I agree that God knows if his repent is genuine.

Exactly.

Let's see a potential criminal:

He wants to kill but he fears he is going to hell. Now, with Mr. Dhamer example, he decides to kill, and if caught he will repent "genuinely" and save his soul.

God knows beforehand that he is going to kill to be saved later.
¿Can this criminal be saved?

That's exactly what Emperor Constantine did, and he's considered by the Catholic Church as a saint.

But to answer your question, no, God knows that this "genuine" repentance would not be so genuine. Which also proves the point that Catholic are dumb for making a war criminal into a saint.

[Didymus Much]

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...God knows beforehand that he is going to kill to be saved later...

Ain't it amazing how you know what God thinks?


And Paul says, "Covered that, just stfu already":


1 Chronicles 28:9 "And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever."