[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Well like I posted before, if yall are right then despite becoming converted to Christ and doing as much good as I can in this world, I'm going to burn in Hell for eternity. But if I'm right then all of us has eternal bliss waiting for us. Either way, you win.

Except you're a Mormon.

You will burn in Hell for believing that your afterlife will consist of becoming a "god" and populating a planet with your offspring.

You will burn in Hell for worshipping a false Jesus, created by Joseph Smith.

You will burn in Hell for denying the true Jesus of Nazareth.

You have not converted to Christ, you converted to Mormonism.

[The G-Rod]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Except you're a Mormon.

You will burn in Hell for believing that your afterlife will consist of becoming a "god" and populating a planet with your offspring.

You will burn in Hell for worshipping a false Jesus, created by Joseph Smith.

You will burn in Hell for denying the true Jesus of Nazareth.

You have not converted to Christ, you converted to Mormonism.

Well like I said, if thats true then I am going to Hell and only the "True Christians" that think its ok to turn the unsaved away from the church or to stone people for not believing what they do, will be allowed in Heaven.

I have read nothing in any of the Scriptures (that includes Mormon Scripture) that says anything about becoming a "god" nor populating other planets. Granted, there is a Scripture that describes the formation of other planets and that may be where all this confusion stems from. But Scripture states that we will return to our Heavenly Father, our bodies made whole again, flowing with the Spirit, and we will remain with Him for eternity.

How does one create a "false Jesus" using the KJV Holy Bible which your church and the Latter Day Saint church believe to be Scripture? Though really now that I think about it, I suppose I can see a difference between the Christ that I have known all my life and the Christ that you claim to be the "true Jesus of Nazareth" for I was under the impression that Christ wanted us to refrain from murder, love thine enemy, judge not and when your enemies' Day of Judgement came, let Him be their judge, not you.

Now if you wish to continue to belittle me, calling me a polygamist, thats fine. (Incidently the Latter Day Saints have a doctrine called the 1890 Manifesto that officially ceased the practice of plural marriage within the Church and is now grounds for exocummunication in the Church. Also the Church actually backed the federal law outlawing polygamism. Now why would they do that if they think its ok to have multiple wives?) In the end, there's only one being in the universe that can judge my actions in this world and thats the Heavenly Father.

I testify that the Christian God is a loving God and a forgiving God. Through the blood of His Son, He forgave me and He took me, an undeserving whelp, into His open arms. Now I'm learning to love everyone, even those that hate me and my God. Only God can judge me and when I am called up I hope that I can say, as the apostle Paul said in Timothy 2 4:7 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith." I leave this message for you in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Well like I said, if thats true then I am going to Hell and only the "True Christians" that think its ok to turn the unsaved away from the church or to stone people for not believing what they do, will be allowed in Heaven.

Yes, only the True Christians who follow the commands God put in the Bible, as you've stated, will be allowed in Heaven.

How does one create a "false Jesus" using the KJV Holy Bible which your church and the Latter Day Saint church believe to be Scripture?

By making up another "scripture" about another "Jesus" who appeared in the Americas.

Now if you wish to continue to belittle me, calling me a polygamist, thats fine.

When did I call you anything but a Hellbound Mormon?

[The G-Rod]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Yes, only the True Christians who follow the commands God put in the Bible, as you've stated, will be allowed in Heaven.

By making up another "scripture" about another "Jesus" who appeared in the Americas.

When did I call you anything but a Hellbound Mormon?

Well then all the good I've done in this world meant nothing and I might as well have never gotten saved because only the people that believe you have to pay the pastor to get into Heaven, stone your children if they're depressed and spend your lives belittling everyone that doesnt believe the same thing you do are getting through the Gates of Heaven.

It wasnt "another Jesus". It was the same Jesus that appeared and died in Israel. Cant you at least admit that its possible that the Savior could have done so? And lets not forget that most of the founders of the Church were martyred for their belief that they preached the truth. Now I know everyone in this forum is willing to die for what they believe is the truth, but very few people are willing to die for a known lie.

As for your final point, no, it wasnt you that referred to me as a "polygamist" but several other members earlier in the forum. Pardon me for that misunderstanding.

I testify that the Christian God is a loving God and a forgiving God. Through the blood of His Son, He forgave me and He took me, an undeserving whelp, into His open arms. Now I'm learning to love everyone, even those that hate me and my God. Only God can judge me and when I am called up I hope that I can say, as the apostle Paul said in Timothy 2 4:7 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith." I leave this message for you in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

I have read nothing in any of the Scriptures (that includes Mormon Scripture) that says anything about becoming a "god" nor populating other planets. Granted, there is a Scripture that describes the formation of other planets and that may be where all this confusion stems from. But Scripture states that we will return to our Heavenly Father, our bodies made whole again, flowing with the Spirit, and we will remain with Him for eternity.

It's in The Journal of Discourses.

From the Mormon big book of blasphemy (and may Jesus forgive me for quoting it, even to rebuke a sinner):

"As for their labor and pursuits in eternity I have not time to talk upon that subject; but we shall have plenty to do. We shall not be idle. We shall go on from one step to another, reaching forth into the eternities until we become like the Gods, and shall be able to frame for ourselves, by the behest and command of the Almighty. All those who are counted worthy to be exalted and to become Gods, even the sons of God, will go forth and have earths and worlds like those who framed this and millions on millions of others."

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Well then all the good I've done in this world meant nothing and I might as well have never gotten saved because only the people that believe you have to pay the pastor to get into Heaven, stone your children if they're depressed and spend your lives belittling everyone that doesnt believe the same thing you do are getting through the Gates of Heaven.

I know! It's so unfair that we have to follow the Word of God to get into Heaven, isn't it. I mean, who is God to tell us that we have to follow His Word to be rewarded with an eternity of bliss? It's not like He's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, is it?

As for your final point, no, it wasnt you that referred to me as a "polygamist" but several other members earlier in the forum. Pardon me for that misunderstanding.

Forgiveness granted, but only temporarily. What you need to do is ask God for forgiveness, and the best way to show your repentance is a good Repentance Sacrifice (of at least $100).

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Well then all the good I've done in this world meant nothing and I might as well have never gotten saved because only the people that believe you have to pay the pastor to get into Heaven, stone your children if they're depressed and spend your lives belittling everyone that doesnt believe the same thing you do are getting through the Gates of Heaven.

Exactly! Now you've got it! If you want Eternal Life, renounce your false Christian cult and become a True Christian™. Praise!

It wasnt "another Jesus". It was the same Jesus that appeared and died in Israel. Cant you at least admit that its possible that the Savior could have done so?

No, I can't. It is not mentioned in the King James Bible which was approved and finalized in 1611. If Jesus had been in the Americas right after His temporary death, I think someone would have mentioned it in His book!

And lets not forget that most of the founders of the Church were martyred for their belief that they preached the truth. Now I know everyone in this forum is willing to die for what they believe is the truth, but very few people are willing to die for a known lie.

??? I have no idea what you are talking about here son. Are you on the drugs?

As for your final point, no, it wasnt you that referred to me as a "polygamist" but several other members earlier in the forum. Pardon me for that misunderstanding.

Your "church" was founded by polygamists who vowed to stay polygamists until the Rapture! And then they caved on their own beliefs when it became politically expedient to do so in 1890 with their half-serious "Manifesto" that many church leaders simply ignored.

If you think you are an "expert" on your church simply because you are a member, have some facts to back up your blasphemous assertions. Mormons are about as Christian as Scientologists!

[The G-Rod]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

I know! It's so unfair that we have to follow the Word of God to get into Heaven, isn't it. I mean, who is God to tell us that we have to follow His Word to be rewarded with an eternity of bliss? It's not like He's omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, is it?

I didnt say that. I'm just questioning whether or not your word is the Word of God. Based on what I have read since I've been in here, I doubt it.

[/quote]Forgiveness granted, but only temporarily. What you need to do is ask God for forgiveness, and the best way to show your repentance is a good Repentance Sacrifice (of at least $100).[/quote]

I didnt ask for forgiveness, I asked for pardon. I am aware that only God has the power of forgiveness and your "Repentance Sacrifice" means nothing in the eyes of God.

Exactly! Now you've got it! If you want Eternal Life, renounce your false Christian cult and become a True Christian™. Praise!

...And still you see nothing wrong with "Christians" turning the unsaved away from the light of God, crushing another human being with a stone or belittling anyone that doesnt believe what you think is truth?

[/quote]No, I can't. It is not mentioned in the King James Bible which was approved and finalized in 1611. If Jesus had been in the Americas right after His temporary death, I think someone would have mentioned it in His book![/quote]

Sooo you're saying that it is impossible for the Savior to have ever visited America? That the Savior did not have the power to do so?

[/quote]??? I have no idea what you are talking about here son. Are you on the drugs?[/quote]

I assure you I am not. I am merely pointing out that many of the founders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints were martyred for their belief that what they spoke was truth. I'm sure you've met plenty of people willing to die for what they believe is true. Have you ever met anyone willing to die for a lie? If Joseph Smith was as intelligent as you claim he was to have orchestrated such a well thought-out and perfectly-exectuted lie, then why didnt he repent of his lie when that action alone could have saved his life?

[/quote]Your "church" was founded by polygamists who vowed to stay polygamists until the Rapture! And then they caved on their own beliefs when it became politically expedient to do so in 1890 with their half-serious "Manifesto" that many church leaders simply ignored.

If you think you are an "expert" on your church simply because you are a member, have some facts to back up your blasphemous assertions. Mormons are about as Christian as Scientologists![/quote]

Where do you find in any Mormon doctrine that says its ok to have multiple wives? I have been taught directly in the Church by an Elder that polygamy is not only frowned upon by the Church but is ground for exocummication. In other words, they will kick you out of the Church if you take more than one wife! The reason there are still polygamous ranches today is because their are some people that somehow still believe that it is sanctioned by the Church and I can assure you that those people are not considered true LDS members.

You still think that I am a member of a cult and yet you have threatened murder against those that dont believe you. At least my "cult" doesnt threaten to kill people for being mislead.

I testify that the Christian God is a loving God and a forgiving God. Through the blood of His Son, He forgave me and He took me, an undeserving whelp, into His open arms. Now I'm learning to love everyone, even those that hate me and my God. Only God can judge me and when I am called up I hope that I can say, as the apostle Paul said in Timothy 2 4:7 "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith." I leave this message for you in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ. Amen.

[Christs servant]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

"Becoming a True Christian™ takes time, effort, prayer, and generous tithing via the Godly paypal button at the bottom of all pages!"

I would ljust like to comment on the above quote, and the repsonses regarding a young man's sexual orientation, and prior sin 'list'.

Are you guys for real?

To the first quote on "Becoming a true Christian", have you read Ephesians 2:4? Let me refresh you.."But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive in Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved."

Yet you call the unsaved "Unsaved Trash"? How do you think Jesus would feel about that?

Jesus commanded us to love our neighbour....he even told us to love our enemies...for even unbeleivers can love their friends and family! He spent time with sinners and showed them the way, the truth and the life WITH RESPECT AND LOVE for that person. HE DIED FOR YOU ON THE CROSS WHILE YOU WERE STILL "UNSAVED TRASH"!

A true Christian is ANY person who gives their heart to Christ, confesses and forsakes their sins, and lives as He commanded every day. Our salvations is a gift....we dont "become" a "true" Christian by any test, or tithing. As far as effort goes...didn't Jesus say His "yoke is easy and His burden light"?

It's not an effort for me to pray, tithe, and seek the Lord. The Holy Spirit gives us that desire!

And I don't know who commented on that young mans sexual tastes, or why they would be SO RUDE to a fellow believer, but I find it VERY disturbing a site that states it's dedication to the Lord and His teachings labelling ANYONE "Unsaved Trash" or insinuates a man who is obviously passionate about his beleifs is gay has ALOT to answer for!

I think you belittle His message and teachings, and all you are doing by calling people these things is inflaming them and turning them away from Christ Jesus.

Not to mention, you are NOT following His teaching in ministering or loving the 'unsaved' of the world!

I was referred to this site by a friend who isn't saved, and didn't beleive him....I had to see for myself, and as a saved born again Christian I am DEEPLY saddened and dissapointed because you make everyone else's job of reaching the lost so much more difficult.

I can't beleive you call yourselves lovers of Christ when you wont follow His teachings!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

Jesus commanded us to love our neighbour....he even told us to love our enemies...for even unbeleivers can love their friends and family! He spent time with sinners and showed them the way, the truth and the life WITH RESPECT AND LOVE for that person. HE DIED FOR YOU ON THE CROSS WHILE YOU WERE STILL "UNSAVED TRASH"!

You seem to be one of those people who knows a few things from the Bible but never actually read the entire book.

Why we must judge:

• Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."
• John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
• 2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine."

I was referred to this site by a friend who isn't saved, and didn't beleive him....I had to see for myself, and as a saved born again Christian I am DEEPLY saddened and dissapointed because you make everyone else's job of reaching the lost so much more difficult.

You are not saved as you ignore 90% of the Holy Bible. Unless you repent you will burn in Hell along with the other false Christians.

I can't beleive you call yourselves lovers of Christ when you wont follow His teachings!

Locate a mirror, look at it, what you write here applies to the person you will see in the mirror. That is you, in case you're not smart enough to figure that out.

Only people who follow 100% of the Holy Bible for 100% can call themselves Christians. Everyone else will burn in Hell for all eternity.

[Christs servant]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

I find this sight disturbing and sad. I am a born again Chrisitan and my church is non denominational, but originally from AOG.

I came to Christ because God called me first and I responded to Jesus. I love the Lord with all my heart and strength.

My favourite verse for this site is Eph 2:4-6.

A friend told me of this site and I didn;t beleive any God Fearing person would go against Christ's teachings in such a blatant way......but here we are.

Then when I put across my point it is sensored...why?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

"Becoming a True Christian™ takes time, effort, prayer, and generous tithing via the Godly paypal button at the bottom of all pages!"

I would ljust like to comment on the above quote, and the repsonses regarding a young man's sexual orientation, and prior sin 'list'.

Are you guys for real?

As real as the fires of hell, my friend.

To the first quote on "Becoming a true Christian", have you read Ephesians 2:4? Let me refresh you.."But because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive in Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved."

Yet you call the unsaved "Unsaved Trash"? How do you think Jesus would feel about that?

I feel really good - I always enjoy Scripture. But the question you have sidestepped is, "How do you - yes, you personally - know you are Saved when you do not know the Bible and do not therefore "know" Christ? Only Landover accepts every word of the Bible, for they are God's Words, friend.

Jesus commanded us to love our neighbour....he even told us to love our enemies...

I see we have a long, long way to go with your liberal, errant attitude.

Who is "our neighbor"? Is he the murderer, is he the idolater? Is he the enemy of God?

for even unbeleivers can love their friends and family!

Ha! They think they can, but is it loving someone to tell them there is no god, to tell them that there are false gods that they should worship? I think not!

He spent time with sinners

And so do we - I am writing to you, aren't I?

HE DIED FOR YOU ON THE CROSS WHILE YOU WERE STILL "UNSAVED TRASH"!

Ah, CapsLock... always a sign of being cool. Hold your horses there, He did not just died for me, He died for all who will hear - but what of those who will not hear?

A true Christian is ANY person who gives their heart to Christ, confesses and forsakes their sins, and lives as He commanded every day.

In this world, Landover is the home of the True Christian™. We have even taken out a US trademark, because no other church comes near to our way of worship.

Our salvations is a gift....we dont "become" a "true" Christian by any test, or tithing. As far as effort goes...didn't Jesus say His "yoke is easy and His burden light"?

There you go again, you tell me how you DON'T become a True Christian, but you don't say how you do! I think that's because you simply don't know. (Oh, and as far as tithing is concerned, Malachi 3:8 Will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes & offerings.

And I don't know who commented on that young mans sexual tastes, or why they would be SO RUDE to a fellow believer,

Meh! He says he's a believer but you and I know that he has no idea what he believes.

but I find it VERY disturbing a site that states it's dedication to the Lord and His teachings labelling ANYONE "Unsaved Trash"

So, what do you think God thinks of those he condemns to Hell? Do we do wrong to point out the future for those who will not accept Jesus as Savior?

I think you belittle His message and teachings, and all you are doing by calling people these things is inflaming them and turning them away from Christ Jesus.

On the other hand I think God knows that we are working to remind the sinners of the world that they had better get their act together.

Not to mention, you are NOT following His teaching in ministering or loving the 'unsaved' of the world!

Your indignation has gotten the better of your faith. You show us where we have misquoted Scripture!

I was referred to this site by a friend who isn't saved,

How do you know he isn't saved? Has Jesus spoken to you? Has Landover been consulted about the state of his soul?

I can't beleive you call yourselves lovers of Christ when you wont follow His teachings!

You show us where we have misquoted Scripture!

Gal. 4:16: Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

I find this sight disturbing and sad. I am a born again Chrisitan and my church is non denominational, but originally from AOG.

I came to Christ because God called me first and I responded to Jesus. I love the Lord with all my heart and strength.

My favourite verse for this site is Eph 2:4-6.

A friend told me of this site and I didn;t beleive any God Fearing person would go against Christ's teachings in such a blatant way......but here we are.

Then when I put across my point it is sensored...why?

Could be poor spelling...

[Christs servant]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

For the very twisted people of this "church" and I use this term loosely......give me as many infractions as you like the truth hurts! I read the entire bible, and still I find your actions foolish.....ban me from this site because I want nothing to do with people who use Jesus' name for their own sick twisted beleifs! I am a saved Christian.....I follow Christ's law not your "cultish" one!

SO PLEASE BAN ME NOW!

[Born Again Bob]

Re: "Unsaved Trash"?

For the very twisted people of this "church" and I use this term loosely......give me as many infractions as you like the truth hurts! I read the entire bible, and still I find your actions foolish.....ban me from this site because I want nothing to do with people who use Jesus' name for their own sick twisted beleifs! I am a saved Christian.....I follow Christ's law not your "cultish" one!

SO PLEASE BAN ME NOW!

Welcome, friend! God loves you!