[Mechanix]

Re: Lazytown, pedophilia sex show.

This actually has nothing to do with lazytown. I came here because of the ignorance being spewed about my people. And What I'm saying in regards to your God and what I view to be the devine is this:

Most pagans believe that worship of a "being" if you will, That is greater than one's self is the cornerstone of every faith in the world. The main focus of all faiths is to make one's life more virtuous, to help them be a better person, and to help and guide them in difficult times. That being said, we also believe that every faith worships/recognizes the same devine force, but in different ways. We believe that the God of the Judeo-Christian faiths is the same devine power as Buddha, Isis, Gaia, Tao, Etc.

So to summarize, I'm not saying that God is pagan, but that devine power is devine power. God would not be of any religion, as he is God and there is no higher power to worship.

all I ever came here to do is to stomp out the notion that pagans worship satan. its just not true. and I'm not here to bash your beliefs, but rather, understand where such ideas as these come from. I didn't even know you were creationists till a few posts in

[Nobar King]

Re: Lazytown, pedophilia sex show.

You claim that the Buddha is a god? You have less understanding than you think. Do you have ANY kind of spiritual teacher, or did you get this all off the internet?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Mechanix Defends Paganism; Spits on Jesus

There are two choices in life Mr. pagan boy: Jesus or satan. You have made your choice. When Jesus returns to earth and you have to appear before Him on bended knee on Judgment Day, don't come whining to me.

"Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" -- 2 John 1:9-11

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." -- Matthew 6:24

[John Bois Ward]

Re: Mechanix Defends Paganism; Spits on Jesus

To say that pagans worship satan is completely ridiculous. Most pagan faiths predate Chrisianity by thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of years.

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pagan:
The etymology of the word "pagan" is Middle English from the 14th Century. Well after the birth of Jesus.

Satan is a Christian concept, having nothing to do with paganism.

Satan in the Old Testament:
Psalms 109:6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
Job 1:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Both books written well before Christianity.

To say that all pagans are devil worshipers that are going to hell is to say that all people who lived before the rise of christianity went to hell.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

its a proven fact that the earth and humanity existed before the Bible. The old testament is dated to somewhere between the 2nd and 12th Century BCE)

Care to provide evidence to support your "it's a proven fact"? And will you be relying on the same exacting dating method that provided an estimate spanning 10 centuries for the age of the Old Testament?

We pagans believe that all concepts of the devine are one and the same. what you call Yaweh/Jahova/God, We refer to by many names, both masculine and feminine (because the universe is abound with many forces relating to both)

Exodus 20:2-3 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Also, someone mentioned vikings and thier history of pillaging and raping Christians. if we're going to bring ancient history into the mix, lets look at the record of Christianity. First of all, the chruch was responsible for conversion at the point of a sword for a millenium. pagan cultures from the Celts back in the beginning of the common era, all the way to the Native Americans in the American colonial times have had Christianity forced on them.

Which is better to suffer: Transient pain or an eternity of pain in Hell? The spreading of Christianity was done to save the souls of those heathens. If you open your eyes, you too may be saved.

I'm not calling modern Chrisitans to account for these actions, I'm just pointing out facts.

"Facts" without evidence are just opinions.

I feel that Jesus Christ was a great teacher with a strong point about loving your fellow man. I just wish more christians would follow his example. Hate mongering is not at all what Jesus had in mind (forgiveness of a prisoner, remember that one??)

Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matthew 10:34-35 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

I'll just leave you all with this. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

[Johnpoop]

Re: Mechanix Defends Paganism; Spits on Jesus

Mechanix you're an awesome person! Don't try changing these peoples' minds though, no matter how many times I tried proving that there's more than one way in worshipping God/Creator, they didn't want to listen. I'm a wiccan myself and I absolutely agree with you on all this.
They know what they're talking about, they just twist everything into making pagans and others look bad.

[Tertius The Scribe]

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let me clarify, I'm not trying to say that you are absolutely positively wrong in your religious beliefs. I believe that your god and mine are one and the same. I do, however, denouce the idea that christianity has always existed and since the beginning of time (6000 years ago) when there is clear evidence to the contrary. I feel like I'm having an argument about whether or not grass is actually green, when you can clearly see that it is.
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quoting scripture is not evidence. Its just not. its like using a word to define that same word. how does it actually prove anything? and the very fact that youre using a computer proves that you don't entirely believe that science is evil.

How can you even say that with a straight face? For one thing, my God is not some Pagan goddess sissy named Boota. And second, you are just intentionally being a little evilutionist troll that thinks the Holy Trinity is actually Darwin, Mendel, and De Vries. There is absolutely nothing funny about ignoring irrefutable proof that the Earth was created exactly 6013 years ago! Perhaps if you weren't so busy asking Satan to possess your soul with the primitive lie that is evolution, God would treat you to the heavenly splendor of being a devout Christian! But no, you choose to spit at Genesis, blatantly ignoring Job 38: 2-21-

"2-Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? *3-Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. *4-Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. *5-Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? *6-Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; *7-When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? *8-Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? *9-When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, *10-And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, *11-And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed? *12-Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; *13-That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? *14-It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment. *15-And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. *16-Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? *17-Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? *18-Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. *19-Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, *20-That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? *21-Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?"

Now do you see? Now do you see that God despises degenerates like you that purport the lie that apes fornicated with Adam and Eve to evolve into man? Now do you see that you will burn in the everlasting flame unless you repent against your sin, heathen? NOW DO YOU SEE?

[Mechanix]

Re: Mechanix Defends Paganism; Spits on Jesus

OK. John, You get a High Five!. How do I get a confessed witch status??

[Mechanix]

Re: Mechanix Defends Paganism; Spits on Jesus

I'm really just trying to understand what this irrefutable proof is. I'm not here to tear you down. I'm here to stand up for a tradition with a documented history that predates the old testament. From my point of view, scripture is not evidence.

Part of my confusion with the Genisis story is the fact that we are all supposedly decended of 2 people, and then after that, of Noah's family. How does this account for the genetic defects that result from Incest?

I was raised as a Catholic. I never felt the hand of God in that time. Only since my conversion to paganism have I felt truly connected to the earth and the heavens. I have felt spiritually fulfilled. When people tell me that I need to renounce that and accept christianity, it feels to me that I'm being asked to lie to myself every day and pretend that I feel equally fulfilled by accepting a religion that never gave me any satisfaction or made me feel truly blessed. If it truly is God that guides our spiritual path, then I say this is the path that he led me to. The same thing that many of you feel is true about your spirituality, I feel as well about mine.

[Nobar King]

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I'm really just trying to understand what this irrefutable proof is. I'm not here to tear you down. I'm here to stand up for a tradition with a documented history that predates the old testament. From my point of view, scripture is not evidence.

Part of my confusion with the Genisis story is the fact that we are all supposedly decended of 2 people, and then after that, of Noah's family. How does this account for the genetic defects that result from Incest?

I was raised as a Catholic. I never felt the hand of God in that time. Only since my conversion to paganism have I felt truly connected to the earth and the heavens. I have felt spiritually fulfilled. When people tell me that I need to renounce that and accept christianity, it feels to me that I'm being asked to lie to myself every day and pretend that I feel equally fulfilled by accepting a religion that never gave me any satisfaction or made me feel truly blessed. If it truly is God that guides our spiritual path, then I say this is the path that he led me to. The same thing that many of you feel is true about your spirituality, I feel as well about mine.

Maybe you should read this brilliant work Where did the races come from? by Pastor Billy-Reuben. It should clear up some of your confusion.

[Mechanix]

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Actually, While I found this interpretation of genesis rather intersesting, It really didn't clear up any confusion (I read it beginning to end) because as I've mentioned before, I don't believe that Scripture can be used to prove that scripture is truth. Not only did it not clear up my questions about incest, but it also didn't answer a single thing about my connection to my own spirituality and why I should live in a manner that I feel would be lying to myself.

[Mechanix]

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also, can someone quote me the scripture where God tells you to KILL us?? I'd really like to see that. Preferably from the mouth of Christ. Thanks, Everyone!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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also, can someone quote me the scripture where God tells you to KILL us?? I'd really like to see that. Preferably from the mouth of Christ. Thanks, Everyone!

Yes I can but I don't support lazy lifestyles - get out there and do some work.

[Add Color]

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I don't normally do this sort of thing, but a friend of mine told me about the pagan bashing going on here and I had to reply. I've never seen this show, nor do I care. What I do care about is people who preach but actually have no idea what they're talking about.

To say that pagans worship satan is completely ridiculous. Most pagan faiths predate Chrisianity by thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of years. Satan is a Christian concept, having nothing to do with paganism.
To say that all pagans are devil worshipers that are going to hell is to say that all people who lived before the rise of christianity went to hell. Christianity didn't become a dominant religion until the 4th Century. (and don't quote the bible at me, telling me that chrisitanity has always existed and people have always worshipped the concept of God since the beginning of time. its a proven fact that the earth and humanity existed before the Bible. The old testament is dated to somewhere between the 2nd and 12th Century BCE)

We pagans believe that all concepts of the devine are one and the same. what you call Yaweh/Jahova/God, We refer to by many names, both masculine and feminine (because the universe is abound with many forces relating to both)

Also, someone mentioned vikings and thier history of pillaging and raping Christians. if we're going to bring ancient history into the mix, lets look at the record of Christianity. First of all, the chruch was responsible for conversion at the point of a sword for a millenium. pagan cultures from the Celts back in the beginning of the common era, all the way to the Native Americans in the American colonial times have had Christianity forced on them. to make conversion "easier" most Christian holidays are based on pagan beliefs and placed around the same time of year. (example: Christmas is practiced to be the birthdate of Christ. on December 25th. The pagan Sabbat of Yule falls on the Winter Solstice and is a Celtic celebration of the birth of the god of the harvest)

I'm not calling modern Chrisitans to account for these actions, I'm just pointing out facts. I feel that Jesus Christ was a great teacher with a strong point about loving your fellow man. I just wish more christians would follow his example. Hate mongering is not at all what Jesus had in mind (forgiveness of a prisoner, remember that one??)

I'll just leave you all with this. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

You're going to hell. Shall you come out of the closet also?

[Mechanix]

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You honestly believe that people who don't believe as you do are gay??? I'm actually a man that is happily married to a woman, just to let you know. Maybe I need to shorten my posts, because I haven't tried to slam your beliefs, merely understand them while telling you my own. I still haven't seen any thing on how y'all account for the genetic defects that result from incest. and as far as killing 'witches', Exodus 22:18 states, when accurately translated from the original hebrew, Thou shalt not permit an enchanter to live, as at the time, there was no word for witch.

The term "witch" was created by the Catholic church. So how does this become interpreted to mean that pagans and enchanters, sorcerers, witches, etc. are one and the same? Yes, we have accepted the term "witch" and turned it into our own, much as other groups have taken racial slurs and made them their own, but that does not make us evil sorcerers and enchanters.

also, a little way back, in Exodus 20:13 it states "Thou Shalt not Kill". that's it, no sub-text, no exceptions, just that. How can it be both ways???

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You honestly believe that people who don't believe as you do are gay??? I'm actually a man that is happily married to a woman, just to let you know. Maybe I need to shorten my posts, because I haven't tried to slam your beliefs, merely understand them while telling you my own. I still haven't seen any thing on how y'all account for the genetic defects that result from incest. and as far as killing 'witches', Exodus 22:18 states, when accurately translated from the original hebrew, Thou shalt not permit an enchanter to live, as at the time, there was no word for witch.

Since you have exactly zero background in True Christian™ Theology, it is understandable how you can be so incredibly wrong. Suffice to say that Biblically speaking, there is no difference between a sodomite and a supporter of sodomites, nor is there any difference between a witch and an enchanter.

So-called "genetic defects" are a figment of secular scientists. It' just a fancy word for cripple, and God decides which parents get punished by having a gimp for a baby. Needless to say, there has never been a single case of a True Christian™ having a retard baby. God loves and protects us.

Do you read ancient Hebrew? I'm going to guess you don't. Take a look at my education before you start tossing out these lies.

BTW: Hebrew wasn't even a language back in those days.

The term "witch" was created by the Catholic church. So how does this become interpreted to mean that pagans and enchanters, sorcerers, witches, etc. are one and the same? Yes, we have accepted the term "witch" and turned it into our own, much as other groups have taken racial slurs and made them their own, but that does not make us evil sorcerers and enchanters.

Can you prove that the papists invented the word "witch?" I'll bet you can't. I'll bet you just pulled that out of your ass, like all the other "facts" you pagans bandy about.

The fact is, if you chose to ignore God's Holy Word and practice witchcraft (or whatever wordplay you want to spin it with), then you have thrown your lot in with satan. You have no one but yourself to blame when you find yourself being anally raped by every demon in hell for all eternity.

also, a little way back, in Exodus 20:13 it states "Thou Shalt not Kill". that's it, no sub-text, no exceptions, just that. How can it be both ways???

Since you are a God-mocking pagan witch, I'm not sure why you even care what the Holy Bible says or doesn't say.

To help you along the path toward Salvation©, I'll give you this much; The Ten Commandments were given to God's chosen people, and they applied only to them. It's just like "love your neighbor," God doesn't mean we should love a queer or some witch scum. He means each other, as in His chosen.

God commands us to kill unsaved scum like you at several points in th Holy Bible. He isn't contradicting Himself, He's giving orders. And once we are successful at getting the U.S. Constitution scrapped and the KJV Bible put in it's place as the law of the land, one of the first things we'll do is round up every witch and kill them dead, to please Jesus.