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  • Mur316
    Under Investigation
    • Oct 2025
    • 12

    #16
    Here are scholarly explanations which better define "αἰωνίου" or "aiōniou" (and their derivatives).
    Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible: Eternity: The Bible hardly speaks of eternity in a philosophical sense of infinite duration without beginning or end. The Hebrew word olam, which is used alone (Ps. 61:8) or with various prepositions (Ge. 3:22; 13:15, etc.) in contexts where it is traditionally translated "forever," means, in itself, no more than "for an indefinitely long period." Thus, me-olam does not mean "from eternity," but "of old" (Ge 6:4, etc.). In the N.T., aion is used as the equivalent of olam.

    The New Testament in Modern Speech, by Dr. R. F. Weymouth: Eternal: Greek: "aeonion," i.e., "of the ages." Etymologically this adjective, like others similarly formed, does not signify "during," but "belonging to" the aeons or ages.

    The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (vol. IV, p. 643): Time: The O.T. and the N.T are not acquainted with the conception of eternity as timelessness. The O.T. has not developed a special term for "eternity." The word aion originally meant "vital force," "life;" then "age," "lifetime." It is, however, also used generally of a (limited or unlimited) long space of time. The use of the word aion is determined very much by the O.T. and the LXX. Aion means "long distant uninterrupted time" in the past (Luke 1:10), as well as in the future (John 4:14).

    Ellicott's Commentary on the Whole Bible (Matt. 25:46): Everlasting punishment-life eternal. The two adjectives represent the same Greek word, aionios-it must be admitted (1) that the Greek word which is rendered "eternal" does not, in itself, involve endlessness, but rather, duration, whether through an age or succession of ages, and that it is therefore applied in the N.T. to periods of time that have had both a beginning and ending (Rom. 16:25), where the Greek is "from aeonian times;" our version giving "since the world began." (Comp. 2 Tim. 1:9; Tit. 1:3) -strictly speaking, therefore, the word, as such, apart from its association with any qualifying substantive, implies a vast undefined duration, rather than one in the full sense of the word "infinite."

    Triglot Dictionary of Representative Words in Hebrew, Greek and English [this dictionary lists the words in this order: English, Greek, Hebrew] (p. 122): Eternal (see age-lasting). (p. 6): English: age-lasting; Greek, aionios; Hebrew, le-olam.



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    • Mur316
      Under Investigation
      • Oct 2025
      • 12

      #17
      Both of the following verses are from the King James Bible. Do you see how the KJV contradicts ITSELF? This is due to faulty translation.
      Matthew 25:46 KJV
      46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

      1 Timothy 4:10 KJV
      10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.


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      • James Hutchins
        True Christian™
        Just a Regular Nice Guy
         
        • Jun 2009
        • 29453

        #18
        Welcome friend!
        I am just a simple man, not a Bible scholar as many of our True Pastors(tm) are,
        What I do know with no doubt is, everything that happens is because of His Unerring Will(r)
        The part that concerns me is, do you question his impeccable perfection? By doing that, you've proven to Him that you are not worthy of His Love(c) and that is an immediate disqualification for being even just considered into Heaven. I know I have no desire to spend eternity having my rectal cavities reamed by Satan.
        Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
        Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
        Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
        Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
        Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
        Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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        • Mur316
          Under Investigation
          • Oct 2025
          • 12

          #19
          Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
          Welcome friend!
          I am just a simple man, not a Bible scholar as many of our True Pastors(tm) are,
          What I do know with no doubt is, everything that happens is because of His Unerring Will(r)
          The part that concerns me is, do you question his impeccable perfection? By doing that, you've proven to Him that you are not worthy of His Love(c) and that is an immediate disqualification for being even just considered into Heaven. I know I have no desire to spend eternity having my rectal cavities reamed by Satan.

          You clearly don't know God nor do you understand his nature or his plan.


          1 John 4:7-12 esv
          7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

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          • Mur316
            Under Investigation
            • Oct 2025
            • 12

            #20
            Romans 5:18-19 NIV
            18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
            so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
            19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
            so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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            • Mur316
              Under Investigation
              • Oct 2025
              • 12

              #21
              [A LOT OF NAGGING AND BADGERING REMOVED BY MODERATOR]
              Last edited by Mary Etheldreda; 10-11-2025, 02:57 AM. Reason: Unsaved women are here at the discretion of the pastors, who, I can assure you, are no more interested in the nagging than anyone else.

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              • furry420
                Confirmed Enemy of God
                BANNED from Landover -- Aeternal Damnation Assured
                • Oct 2025
                • 3

                #22
                I don't care plus I like fucking [inappropriate word for the sons of Ham removed by moderator]
                Last edited by Mary Etheldreda; 10-11-2025, 04:12 PM. Reason: Let's keep it clean and on topic. OP is trying to explain how Jesus is schizophrenic.

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                • Mary Etheldreda
                  Gushing for Jesus
                   
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 23775

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Mur316 View Post
                  This is my first post and I am seeking feedback.
                  Stop trying to reconcile the Holy Word of God with your fluffy bunny Quakerism. Have you ever seen a Quaker own a jet like our Pastor Zeke has? No. Do you know why? Because they are meek of mind and spirit and get weepy when thinking about people who will face God's Judgment. You think everyone will be saved, which denies free will, making Jesus out as some kind of Spiritual Gaslighting Mind Rapist. You think you will celebrate the Lamb's Feast in Heaven with Satan and his demons when in fact you will be implanted rectally by the barbed tallywhacker of Satan as you burn in Hell with the rest of the Quakers and meek-spirited people. You can lie to yourself that it's Heaven, but the rest of us will laugh at you at the side of our Savior.

                  Glory!

                  \0/
                  Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                  • James Hutchins
                    True Christian™
                    Just a Regular Nice Guy
                     
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 29453

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mur316 View Post


                    You clearly don't know God nor do you understand his nature or his plan.


                    1 John 4:7-12 esv
                    7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
                    Friend, are you on the drugs? To assume any person knows 'Gods Plan' is entirely pompous. No where in John 4:7-12 does His Word make any mention of His Plans.
                    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                    Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                    Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                    Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                    Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                    • James Hutchins
                      True Christian™
                      Just a Regular Nice Guy
                       
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 29453

                      #25
                      I was on the internets recently and saw this. Infallible.
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                      Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
                      Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
                      Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
                      Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
                      Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
                      Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

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                      • Q.Ponce Frottage
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                        • Jan 2025
                        • 132

                        #26
                        God always wins. Put a bunch of atheists in a burning plane crashing, you bet they'll be screaming, "Oh God!" The Christian truth isn't some obscure reality bending narrative, it's REAL!
                        My cum sock watched me fire up midget porn on my laptop for the sixth time today.

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                        • Isabella White
                          True Christian™ Icon of Feminine Virtue
                           
                          • Mar 2019
                          • 4361

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Q.Ponce Frottage View Post
                          God always wins. Put a bunch of atheists in a burning plane crashing, you bet they'll be screaming, "Oh God!" The Christian truth isn't some obscure reality bending narrative, it's REAL!
                          Oh, yes! You are speaking the truth so clearly here, dear Mr. Frottage. Those planes that crashed on 9/11 were full of atheitits — you can count on that. For years, they had been mocking the , until the day arrived when Almighty said, "Enough!" And that's why they were corralled onto those planes — to receive the punishment that they so greatly deserved. And when they realized what was happening, why, yes, indeed — they were screaming out for to intervene, but it was too late — far too late.

                          Galatians 6:7 "Be not deceived; is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

                          Isn't it amazing how our is so thoughtful, and that He did not allow any of believers in the to get mixed up with the wrong crowd at the airport boarding gates? Now, there's something for which we can all shout

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                          Hebrews 10:19 " Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the of "

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                          • MitzaLizalor
                            Completely CRAZY for the Lord
                            True Christian™
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 14387

                            #28
                            Hi Thank you for cintributing to the forum.

                            I'm always wary of words like philosophical.

                            Originally posted by Mur316 View Post
                            Here are scholarly explanations which better define "αἰωνίου" or "aiōniou" (and their derivatives).
                            Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible: Eternity: The Bible hardly speaks of eternity in a philosophical sense . . .
                            As far as I'm concerned, philosophy has been defunct since about 370BC. Some would bring up Epicurus, Aristarchus or Eratosthenes—even Archimedes—but what they did was not philosophy, more a spectrum of fancy ranging from practical engineering to outright crackpottery, one may say. But leaving that aside, there are very different types of infinity involved here. Two will suffice as an example.

                            1. In the case of a LINE. This has neither beginning nor end and if representing time would have no duration. It's similar to the idiotic idea of can God create a rock so heavy He can't lift it? which hinges on the word lift. The verb "to lift" requires the concept of location: an object in one location is relocated to a different location—on a higher shelf for instance—by the action of lifting. God does not have location.

                            2. In the case of a RAY. Here there is a beginning so if used to represent time, or a dynamic location in space or frequency of vibration or anything else, duration becomes possible But since a ray starts at point A and extends infinitely in one direction it is also of infinite length. Is it half the length of a line? That would be a different type of eternity because it's a different type of infinity.

                            Originally posted by Mur316 View Post
                            Both of the following verses are from the King James Bible. Do you see how the KJV contradicts ITSELF?
                            No.

                            Matthew 25:46 … And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
                            1 Timothy 4:10 … For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
                            There is no contradiction between Matthew 25 and I Timothy 4 but there's another problem. You cited
                            .
                            . . . to better define "αιωνιου"
                            Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible: Eternity: The Bible hardly speaks of eternity in a philosophical sense of infinite duration without beginning or end. The Hebrew word olam . . .

                            but this isn't about olam, it's supposed to be about αιωνιου, then
                            .
                            Psalm 61:8
                            Genesis 3:22
                            Genesis 13:15
                            Genesis 6:4

                            none of which were written in Greek. Where are you getting your Old Testament vocabulary from? If it's from the Masoretic text, that's a very late document. Otherwise, from the time of Alexander, Hebrew was virtually defunct and most of the vocabulary lost. Essentially, the New Testament authors were not discussing the same concepts in this respect, i.e. infinity. That doesn't mean the concept didn't exist, of course, just that Moses for example wasn't writing about it.

                            Which is why I'm always wary of words like philosophical.​

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                            • Ezekiel Bathfire
                              Pastor for Diversity and Tolerance
                              Christ's Rottweiler
                               
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 22887

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mur316 View Post
                              Ephesians 1:9-11 says that God sent Jesus on a mission to unite all things on Earth and in Heaven to him. Is it your belief that Jesus fails? Is it your belief that Jesus is incapable of fulfilling the mission assigned to him by God the Father?

                              God wants ALL to be in his Kingdom and in Isaiah it is made clear that God gets what God wants.
                              God is omniscient. He knew what Jesus would accomplish and what the end would be before the World began.

                              Jesus did exactly what God wanted.

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                              “We must reassert that the essence of Christianity is the love of obedience to God’s Laws and that how that complete obedience is used or implemented does not concern us.”

                              Author of such illuminating essays as,
                              Map of the Known World; Periodic Table of Elements; The History of Linguistics; The Errors of Wicca; Dolphins and Evolution; The History of Landover (The Apology); Landover and the Civil War; 2000 Racial Slurs.

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                              • Dr. Anthony J. Toole
                                An old soul
                                True Christian™
                                • Aug 2013
                                • 5013

                                #30
                                Now I'm the first to admit I'm not a details guy, but it's clear what God wants is strong leadership. He wants someone who will make sure the right people get their tax breaks at the expense of the unworthy. You can look up the details, but I know it when I see it.
                                If I have seen further, it is by standing on the heads of others.

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