Question: Does God's will prevail?

[Mur316]

This is my first post and I am seeking feedback. Does God get what God wants and what does he want?

Based on the scriptures below it is my understanding that he wants ALL THINGS and ALL PEOPLE to be saved through his son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:9-11
⁹ Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

¹⁰ That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

¹¹ In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:


1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


I understand the following scriptures to say that, essentially, God gets what God wants.


Isaiah 46:10
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

Isaiah 55:11
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.


Will Jesus succeed in his mission to reconcile ALL THINGS to our Heavenly Father or will Jesus fail? According to these scriptures, it seems to me that Jesus will indeed succeed at uniting ALL THINGS to God!

Is my understanding correct? Thank you in advance!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Ephesians 1 gives a list of the blessings you can find in the Bible and these are God’s part of the deal. The chapter tells you where the blessings come, from and how to get them, why you need them and what happens when you have them.

The vital verb is in 1 Timothy 2: 4 – it is “will”. This states only what God wants from each of us. As there are sinners, God knows that He is not going to get 100% just yet, but, eventually, just before Jesus comes back, He will have a two-thirds majority and that’s good enough. The rest, and then some, get slaughtered.

I understand the following scriptures to say that, essentially, God gets what God wants.

Isaiah 46:10
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

This says “From the very start of time, I’ve told you the things that are to be done and what will happen if you don’t: and I will do what I said I’ll do because that makes me happy.

Isaiah 55:11
11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

This explains that God has been entirely consistent throughout time and in His dealings with man and that He keeps His Word.

The critical sentence is “it shall accomplish that which I please”. Now that means that if God says “Thou shall not covet your neighbor’s ox”, then if you don’t, you are obeying God and will get blessings. If you do, God will destroy your soul in the brimstone fires of Hell – which He also said.

Will Jesus succeed in his mission to reconcile ALL THINGS to our Heavenly Father or will Jesus fail?

Jesus is the Hero of the Bible, isn’t He? He said He’s coming back, and He will. God’s Plan, i.e. what He wants, will be finalized at this time. God might have more Plans thereafter, but we don’t really know them.

So, your conclusion

According to these scriptures, it seems to me that Jesus will indeed succeed at uniting ALL THINGS to God![

must be correct

Is my understanding correct?

Yes - in broad terms.

[Mur316]

I believe that all who ever existed will live with God in his Kingdom because that is what God wants and God always gets what he wants.

[Basilissa]

I believe that all who ever existed will live with God in his Kingdom because that is what God wants and God always gets what he wants.

I'm confused - is your Bible missing the page with John 3:18-19?

John 3:18-19
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Therefore, not all who ever existed will be Saved, only those who accept Jesus as their Savior. A person who didn't accept Jesus, including those born in the areas of the world where they didn't hear about Him, and also children who died before accepting Jesus, will be condemned.

[Johny Joe Hold]

I'm confused - is your Bible missing the page with John 3:18-19?

Therefore, not all who ever existed will be Saved, only those who accept Jesus as their Savior. A person who didn't accept Jesus, including those born in the areas of the world where they didn't hear about Him, and also children who died before accepting Jesus, will be condemned.

Sin is a temptation. Atheists and cafeteria Christians want to believe they can sin and make it into heaven. Jesus knows their game. Their sins will send them down, not up. Read Sister Basilissa's post again.

[Mur316]

I'm confused - is your Bible missing the page with John 3:18-19?

John 3:18-19
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Therefore, not all who ever existed will be Saved, only those who accept Jesus as their Savior. A person who didn't accept Jesus, including those born in the areas of the world where they didn't hear about Him, and also children who died before accepting Jesus, will be condemned.

Ephesians 1:9-11 says that God sent Jesus on a mission to unite all things on Earth and in Heaven to him. Is it your belief that Jesus fails? Is it your belief that Jesus is incapable of fulfilling the mission assigned to him by God the Father?

God wants ALL to be in his Kingdom and in Isaiah it is made clear that God gets what God wants.

[handmaiden]

Ephesians 1:9-11 says that God sent Jesus on a mission to unite all things on Earth and in Heaven to him. Is it your belief that Jesus fails? Is it your belief that Jesus is incapable of fulfilling the mission assigned to him by God the Father?

God wants ALL to be in his Kingdom and in Isaiah it is made clear that God gets what God wants.

Oh! Okay, I was wondering what your angle was when you started posting, so now I know. You want to believe that every single person ever born on this Earth gets their kumbaya moment with Jesus and you're willing to ignore every verse in the Bible that suggests otherwise.

You're not just a regular Fluffy Bunny Christian are you? No, you're an Angora breed Fluffy Bunny. . . And now I need to sneeze, excuse me.

[Mur316]

Oh! Okay, I was wondering what your angle was when you started posting, so now I know. You want to believe that every single person ever born on this Earth gets their kumbaya moment with Jesus and you're willing to ignore every verse in the Bible that suggests otherwise.

You're not just a regular Fluffy Bunny Christian are you? No, you're an Angora breed Fluffy Bunny. . . And now I need to sneeze, excuse me.

You didn't address the scriptures that I shared in my OP. They say that God wants all to be saved and that God gets what God wants. There are more scriptures that demonstrate that all who ever existed will be in God's Kingdom but there is no reason to share them since you are already ignoring the aforementioned scriptures. Here's another:

Proverbs 9:7-8 King James Version
7 He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.
8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

[handmaiden]

You didn't address the scriptures that I shared in my OP. . . you are already ignoring the aforementioned scriptures.

I have never in my life ignored the Scriptures. I do, however, ignore people who demonstrate an arrogant attitude towards cherry-picking them.

Other members of our church community who are far more learned than myself have already pointed out the error in your reasoning. That only leaves me to warn you against getting your fluffy bunny fur all sticky with cherry juice.

[Mur316]

I have never in my life ignored the Scriptures. I do, however, ignore people who demonstrate an arrogant attitude towards cherry-picking them.

Other members of our church community who are far more learned than myself have already pointed out the error in your reasoning. That only leaves me to warn you against getting your fluffy bunny fur all sticky with cherry juice.

Do you believe that God gets what he wants?

[Basilissa]

Do you believe that God gets what he wants?

God knows everything (Proverbs 15:3), and fully knowing that some people would sin, He gave us a free will notwithstanding. God knew it from the beginning when he told Adam to not eat the forbidden fruit, but he ate it anyway. God could have taken away people's free will after that, but He didn't. He gives us a choice: believe in Him and follow His commandments or suffer eternal punishment.

Read John 3:18 again. It's just after John 3:16. Yes, Jesus can potentially save everyone - however, because we have free will, some people wilfully choose damnation.

Ephesians 1:9-11 says that God sent Jesus on a mission to unite all things on Earth and in Heaven to him. Is it your belief that Jesus fails? Is it your belief that Jesus is incapable of fulfilling the mission assigned to him by God the Father?

God wants ALL to be in his Kingdom and in Isaiah it is made clear that God gets what God wants.

I'm just citing God's Own Words to you, sweetie. Don't shoot the messenger. If you disagree with the Holy Bible, that's your problem, not mine.

[handmaiden]

"Mur316
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The above information is from your post "challenging" me with said question:

"Do you believe that God gets what he wants?"

Now, my first point is that your question is akin to the one asked by snarky young atheists who feel that they have come up with the ultimate "gotcha".

"Can God make a rock so heavy that He cannot lift it?" I believe the standard answer is, "Yes, He could, but He knows better than to do so."

(That's the answer you're getting by the way. There are so many verses in God's Word regarding the dispensation of the Condemned versus the Saved which you are blithely ignoring and my time is better spent praying for the protection of my friends and family and other people that I actually care about.)

My second point is going to consist in noting the way that you have chosen to diminish The Almighty by the use of a lower case letter in His pronoun. But then again, I suppose your own pronouns are they/them.

The third point that I would like to offer is to call attention to your post count in your message to me -- copied into this post and displayed in the upper left corner. The number is 5, as in less than half a dozen and equal to the number of digits on the human hand. Even someone as meek and ineffectual as myself is unlikely to be intimidated by someone so new to these discussions that they have "leveled up" (is that the correct usage?) to a grand post count of 5.

Now, I know that the reason that you have chosen me as your intended target is because I am the lowest of The Lord's servants in our learned community.

Like a hyena spotting a wounded wildebeest you have scented a vulnerable member of the herd and therefore anticipate an easy meal. But I am protected by The Lion of Judah Himself. I also have The Holy Spirit and the support of the pastoral staff at Landover, as well as the rank and file membership.

So, having admitted my weakness and general unworthiness, I will leave you to your confident command of the savannah. Perhaps your next post will be aimed at someone whose intellectual stature measures akin to your own.

Resting now in the loving embrace of my Savior.

[Mur316]

I am not your enemy. I come to share in God's good news.

God, our loving, merciful, Father wants ALL to live in his Kingdom. Our Father sent his Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus, in order to save "ALL THINGS" on Earth and in Heaven!

Will Jesus succeed? Absolutely! Did not Jesus declare that the Gates of Hell will NOT prevail? Yes he did!

Faithful Christians immediately go into God's Kingdom upon their physical deaths. Others go into the proverbial (and often misunderstood) "Lake of Fire"; however, nobody stays there forever. It is a process that punishes and chastens for the purpose of restoration. Eventually they too are granted repentance and then they freely choose to follow Jesus and are thereafter welcomed by Jesus into the Father's Kingdom. After all, that is what God wants, for Jesus to unite to him "ALL THINGS" as stated in Ephesians 1:9-11.

I have more scriptures to share to demonstrate that "ALL THINGS" will be in God's Kingdom!

[Basilissa]

Faithful Christians immediately go into God's Kingdom upon their physical deaths. Others go into the proverbial (and often misunderstood) "Lake of Fire"; however, nobody stays there forever. It is a process that punishes and chastens for the purpose of restoration. Eventually they too are granted repentance and then they freely choose to follow Jesus and are thereafter welcomed by Jesus into the Father's Kingdom. After all, that is what God wants, for Jesus to unite to him "ALL THINGS" as stated in Ephesians 1:9-11.

I have more scriptures to share to demonstrate that "ALL THINGS" will be in God's Kingdom!

Oh please do share the Scripture that says that the Lake of Fire is not forever. You seem to be mixing up the Catholic notion of the Purgatory with the notion of Hell.

Also, while you compose your answer, please ponder on these verses:

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Please, do explain how can a punishment be everlasting and for ever and ever, and at the same time only temporary?

Also, you say that people who, by your own admition, will be tortured until they accept Jesus as their Savior, and somehow they will do so out of their free will.

A soul that is tortured for a few millenia will accept whatever to end the torture, is that really an example of acting out of free will?

[Mur316]

Oh please do share the Scripture that says that the Lake of Fire is not forever. You seem to be mixing up the Catholic notion of the Purgatory with the notion of Hell.

Also, while you compose your answer, please ponder on these verses:

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

2 Thessalonians 1:9 - Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Please, do explain how a punishment can be everlasting and for ever and ever, and at the same time only temporary.

Simple. Those verses were mistranslated. The New Testament was written in ancient Koine Greek. The Koine Greek word that was mistranslated was "aionion" or a derivative of that word. In Koine Greek that word can have differing meanings based on the context. In the verses you cited it should read "age-during", not "eternity" or "everlasting".

Here's another mistranslation from the KJV.

Jude 7 King James Version
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Numerous researchers have visited Sodom. There is no ongoing fire there, let alone an "eternal fire" as stated in the KJV. The fire was for a period of time, not eternity.

Here's a better translation of Jude 1:7 from Young's Literal Translation. You can look up the verses you shared above in the YLT Bible and see for yourself the correct translations.

Jude 7
Young's Literal Translation
⁷ as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them, in like manner to these, having given themselves to whoredom, and gone after other flesh, have been set before -- an example, of fire age-during, justice suffering

And here is a YouTube video of a man who visited Sodom and found extinguished sulfur balls. It's a fascinating video!

https://youtu.be/jQl4KaRtef8?si=ZPdHGxWveSJqdKvO