I'm confused.

[IAmFool]

I'm a bit confused here. I was raised a christian, and I went to a few different churches in my time (all baptist), and their theology was basically the same. What you people believe in seems to just destroy everything I ever learned. Now I will say that I don't believe in God anymore, which will forever label me as a heathan here, but I beg that you hear me out. I don't take evolution, the big bang, or anything anyone like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin ever wrote as fact. They are theories, and I treat them as such. They are theories attempting to explain the unknown, the creation of plants, life, etc., as do all religions as well. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. But I've heard people tell me that they can "prove God exists." I take them up on it, and they quote the bible endlessly. When I ask them to prove that, they say "it's true because God said it." That doesn't prove a thing, we're back at the beginning! Now can scientists prove anything? Yes, but not something as astronomically huge as the creation of the world and life itself! Just because someone doesn't believe in God, don't assume they're absolutely convinced that something conflicting with your beliefs is fact. I don't take anything as fact, because I don't think anyone can ever truly know the facts about how the world and life came to be.

[angels]

Re: I'm confused.

I'm a bit confused here. I was raised a christian, and I went to a few different churches in my time (all baptist), and their theology was basically the same. What you people believe in seems to just destroy everything I ever learned. Now I will say that I don't believe in God anymore, which will forever label me as a heathan here, but I beg that you hear me out. I don't take evolution, the big bang, or anything anyone like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin ever wrote as fact. They are theories, and I treat them as such. They are theories attempting to explain the unknown, the creation of plants, life, etc., as do all religions as well. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. But I've heard people tell me that they can "prove God exists." I take them up on it, and they quote the bible endlessly. When I ask them to prove that, they say "it's true because God said it." That doesn't prove a thing, we're back at the beginning! Now can scientists prove anything? Yes, but not something as astronomically huge as the creation of the world and life itself! Just because someone doesn't believe in God, don't assume they're absolutely convinced that something conflicting with your beliefs is fact. I don't take anything as fact, because I don't think anyone can ever truly know the facts about how the world and life came to be.

Open your eyes to the world around you. God created everything. It's so obvious.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I'm confused.

I'm a bit confused here. I was raised a christian, and I went to a few different churches in my time (all baptist), and their theology was basically the same. What you people believe in seems to just destroy everything I ever learned. Now I will say that I don't believe in God anymore, which will forever label me as a heathan here, but I beg that you hear me out. I don't take evolution, the big bang, or anything anyone like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin ever wrote as fact. They are theories, and I treat them as such. They are theories attempting to explain the unknown, the creation of plants, life, etc., as do all religions as well. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. But I've heard people tell me that they can "prove God exists." I take them up on it, and they quote the bible endlessly. When I ask them to prove that, they say "it's true because God said it." That doesn't prove a thing, we're back at the beginning! Now can scientists prove anything? Yes, but not something as astronomically huge as the creation of the world and life itself! Just because someone doesn't believe in God, don't assume they're absolutely convinced that something conflicting with your beliefs is fact. I don't take anything as fact, because I don't think anyone can ever truly know the facts about how the world and life came to be.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...03&postcount=9 You need to read this.

[IAmFool]

Re: I'm confused.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showp...03&postcount=9 You need to read this.

There is no undeniable proof that God does or does not exist. One of my old pastors even said that. That's what "faith" is, am I correct? Believing in something that there is no proof of. Believing in any creationist scientific theory is faith as well, because they can't prove anything either. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, because I know that with no proof, it would be near impossible to do so. Consider that.

[InGodWeTrust]

Re: I'm confused.

because I don't think anyone can ever truly know the facts about how the world and life came to be.

And that's why you'll go to hell.

[IAmFool]

Re: I'm confused.

And that's why you'll go to hell.

I love how instead of offering any useful bits of information, you simply say I'm going to hell and leave it at that. It doesn't make you sound very credible. Just saying.

[InGodWeTrust]

Re: I'm confused.

I love how instead of offering any useful bits of information, you simply say I'm going to hell and leave it at that. It doesn't make you sound very credible. Just saying.

If having the One and Only True God on my side doesn't give me credibility, then I don't know what does.

[IAmFool]

Re: I'm confused.

If having the One and Only True God on my side doesn't give me credibility, then I don't know what does.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You stand up on your little soapbox and preach about God and calling nonbelievers ignorant, yet you refuse to consider anything outside of your little religious bubble. I don't care if you who you worship, it's your undeniable right to do so. But it's also my right to believe what I want to believe, whatever that may be.

[InGodWeTrust]

Re: I'm confused.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You stand up on your little soapbox and preach about God and calling nonbelievers ignorant, yet you refuse to consider anything outside of your little religious bubble.

What religious bubble are you talking about? God is our creator, non-believers ignore him. So, yeah, they are ignorant.

I don't care if you who you worship, it's your undeniable right to do so. But it's also my right to believe what I want to believe, whatever that may be.

That's correct. God gave you free will, and you can choose hell as your destination any time.

[IAmFool]

Re: I'm confused.

What religious bubble are you talking about? God is our creator, non-believers ignore him. So, yeah, they are ignorant.


That's correct. God gave you free will, and you can choose hell as your destination any time.

If this is how you evangelize to nonbelievers in person, then I don't imagine you've been successful a great many times. They'll never listen to you if address them in such a manner.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I'm confused.

If this is how you evangelize to nonbelievers in person, then I don't imagine you've been successful a great many times. They'll never listen to you if address them in such a manner.

2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2nd Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?


You will see that Landover has been allowing the Unsaved to see the light for almost 400 years; if we did not have the formula right, God would long since have closed us down.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I'm confused.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You stand up on your little soapbox and preach about God and calling nonbelievers ignorant, yet you refuse to consider anything outside of your little religious bubble. I don't care if you who you worship, it's your undeniable right to do so. But it's also my right to believe what I want to believe, whatever that may be.

I believe that you are the one up on a soapbox. You waltzed in here uninvited and unwelcome, spewing hatred from the get-go, and now you're accusing us of being intolerant?

FYI, the only "rights" you have are granted by Jesus Christ and the Pastors on this Godly forum. For a complete list of these rights, please see THIS thread.

If this is how you evangelize to nonbelievers in person, then I don't imagine you've been successful a great many times. They'll never listen to you if address them in such a manner.

How Do People Get Saved if They Are Not Allowed to Attend Church?

It never ceases to amaze us the number of so-called "Christians" ask us this question. If they would only blow the dust off of their Bibles and put their noses into the 16th Chapter of Mark, they would find that Jesus commands us to evangelize the world! He didn't say, "find a comfortable pew each Sunday morning and cross your fingers in hopes that some unsaved piece of human refuse will walk through the doors of your church." No, he said, ""Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel." That word, "go" there is a verb. And for those of you illiterate, misguided Christians who allow unsaved people through the doors of your church each Sunday morning, a verb is an "action word," and "go" means "GO!" as in "leave," or "SCRAM!" It doesn't mean, sit on your hiney! The only place for evangelism is outside the confines of the Lord's four-walled holy dwelling place. God's home is a place for True Christians™ to fellowship. Allowing an unsaved person into church is like Rush Limbaugh inviting Hillary Clinton to a meeting of Republicans on how to defeat the Democrats in 2012. It's something you JUST DON'T DO! PERIOD!

[IAmFool]

Re: I'm confused.

I believe that you are the one up on a soapbox. You waltzed in here uninvited and unwelcome, spewing hatred from the get-go, and now you're accusing us of being intolerant?

FYI, the only "rights" you have are granted by Jesus Christ and the Pastors on this Godly forum. For a complete list of these rights, please see THIS thread.



How Do People Get Saved if They Are Not Allowed to Attend Church?

It never ceases to amaze us the number of so-called "Christians" ask us this question. If they would only blow the dust off of their Bibles and put their noses into the 16th Chapter of Mark, they would find that Jesus commands us to evangelize the world! He didn't say, "find a comfortable pew each Sunday morning and cross your fingers in hopes that some unsaved piece of human refuse will walk through the doors of your church." No, he said, ""Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel." That word, "go" there is a verb. And for those of you illiterate, misguided Christians who allow unsaved people through the doors of your church each Sunday morning, a verb is an "action word," and "go" means "GO!" as in "leave," or "SCRAM!" It doesn't mean, sit on your hiney! The only place for evangelism is outside the confines of the Lord's four-walled holy dwelling place. God's home is a place for True Christians™ to fellowship. Allowing an unsaved person into church is like Rush Limbaugh inviting Hillary Clinton to a meeting of Republicans on how to defeat the Democrats in 2012. It's something you JUST DON'T DO! PERIOD!

Spewing hatred? I don't "hate" anyone here, or their ideas. I'm trying to give actual responses to your posts, whereas all I get is "you're going to hell you demon." I do appreciate that you actually addressed the matter at hand and didn't do that.

[nonethanks]

Re: I'm confused.

I'm a bit confused here. I was raised a christian, and I went to a few different churches in my time (all baptist), and their theology was basically the same. What you people believe in seems to just destroy everything I ever learned. Now I will say that I don't believe in God anymore, which will forever label me as a heathan here, but I beg that you hear me out. I don't take evolution, the big bang, or anything anyone like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin ever wrote as fact. They are theories, and I treat them as such. They are theories attempting to explain the unknown, the creation of plants, life, etc., as do all religions as well. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. But I've heard people tell me that they can "prove God exists." I take them up on it, and they quote the bible endlessly. When I ask them to prove that, they say "it's true because God said it." That doesn't prove a thing, we're back at the beginning! Now can scientists prove anything? Yes, but not something as astronomically huge as the creation of the world and life itself! Just because someone doesn't believe in God, don't assume they're absolutely convinced that something conflicting with your beliefs is fact. I don't take anything as fact, because I don't think anyone can ever truly know the facts about how the world and life came to be.

I see myself trapped in that web of neutrality, and i figure the only way out is to pick a side, create a side or stay in neutrality.

i choose to stay in the middle, for i can consider a wider aspect of every problem that may be addressed.

now regarding this bloke

And that's why you'll go to hell.

he really says nothing more, so you should just ignore him

[InGodWeTrust]

Re: I'm confused.

he really says nothing more, so you should just ignore him

Maybe because that's all there is to say about unsaved ones and those who want to remain unsaved.