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  • Cranky Old Man
    Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
    You kids get off his lawn!
     
    • Jan 2010
    • 22380

    #91
    Re: Hello

    Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
    But being human I lack the ammount of time required to fixe more then 1 harley/week...
    5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
    To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
    James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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    • James Dewitt
      #63 on Forbes'...but #1 in Jesus's Heart
      • Jan 2010
      • 6267

      #92
      Re: Hello

      Originally posted by James Hutchins View Post
      Of course he does, it is God's Favorite™ language. You do know we are blessed by your persecution. It is sinners and false Christians such as yourself that further to bolster our Crusade. Come judgment day, you'll be clawing at the closed doors to Heaven, begging to get in while we pour Holy Boiling Oil© upon you to send you sliding into the depths of Hell. You're dead. Instantly your soul begin falling towards the black abyss above Hell. The falling seems eternal as you gather speed and the heat begins to grow. Then you notice a red dot below you growing larger by the second, this is the Lake in the center of Hell. It is the brightest point in Hell therefore it is visible for a great distance. Keep in mind that the farther you fall, the further from Christ you are.
      As you gain speed and the flames become apparent you may wonder how you can stop this from happening. The answer is simple. It's too late and you can't, you're doomed. Your soul is damned and it WILL happen. The temperature is now approaching the unbearable limit as your flesh begins to smoulder and ignite and you continue to build speed as you plummet toward the now visible boiling Lake of Fire. You can almost make out individual souls thrashing in the magma with your flaming eyesockets. Soon you will join them, your terror mounts as your screams become gargled with the stench of Hells evil smell. The heat becomes excruciating as you notice your skin peeling away and your bones becoming visible and black. Flaming and screaming in anguish, you splashdown into the acidic brimstone of Satans Lake at around 250 MPH. You are instantly vaporized and reformed as a tormented soul writhing in absolute terror in the deafening depths of the Lake that Burns Eternal. The pain is beyond comprehension as you gnash your teeth so hard they shatter in your mouth. Satan periodically plucks you from the flames to savagely rape repeatedly and casually tosses you to his infernal minions to rip apart and rape at will, only to be reformed and have this scenario repeated...over and over and over, forever.
      Is it still funny mocking our mission to Save your soul? We want you to enjoy Heaven and eternal praise and worship at the feet of our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.
      Unless you are Saved™ by Jesus Christ and His Holy website and favorite church, Landover Baptist, there is no other way to avoid this.

      Remember, Jesus Loves you

      Brother James, after that horrid description of hell, I find myself on bended kneels begging for Jesus to for give me. I all most wet my self.

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      • johncarlos
        Unsaved trash, confused foreigner
        Forum Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 89

        #93
        Re: Hello

        Back on topic:

        Originally posted by GOD=life View Post
        ....But what's the use of the Bible if you can just pick and choose the parts you like? Christianity is not supposed to be a DIY religion. If you want to get into the Heaven God made, then you have to follow the Bible that God wrote.
        What if God placed bad things on the Bible on purpose so He could truly find those who can use their free will and discern good from evil? What of God wanted us to think instead of accepting everything he gave to us as the only truth? And don't quote the Bible on me, that would contradict what I just asked!

        PS:James Have you read my question about the Fazer?
        Leviticus 21:8
        Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.

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        • James Dewitt
          #63 on Forbes'...but #1 in Jesus's Heart
          • Jan 2010
          • 6267

          #94
          Re: Hello

          I know nothing of a fazer. My nephew works for HD. that is all I will ever own. I have a 1999 Electra Glide In Blue full dress, a queen seat for Mrs Dewitt, 85,000 miles and still riding well. Why do you Hate Jesus?

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          • GOD=life
            WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
            True Christian™
            • Jan 2010
            • 3263

            #95
            Re: Hello

            Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
            What if God placed bad things on the Bible on purpose so He could truly find those who can use their free will and discern good from evil? What of God wanted us to think instead of accepting everything he gave to us as the only truth? And don't quote the Bible on me, that would contradict what I just asked!
            Interesting angle, but this would make yourself the arbiter of what God does and does not intend. With other words: you could justify any point of view simply by picking the parts that somehow could be interpreted to substantiate your claim and disregard the parts that don't. The information ratio relative to simply following your own conscience would thus be reduced to zero and you could toss out the Bible altogether.

            Since we assume a completely logical and consistent God, we can only conclude that it is not His intention to effectively render the Bible useless.

            The way modern Christians use the Bible does render it useless, both as a singular source of morality and otherwise.
            I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

            Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
            Matthew 7:22
            Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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            • Rev. Jim Osborne
              True Christian™ Televangelist
              Director of Fundraising and Tithing
              On the Look Out for Wife #6!
              True Christian™
              • Jun 2009
              • 8622

              #96
              Re: Hello

              Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
              Back on topic:



              What if God placed bad things on the Bible on purpose so He could truly find those who can use their free will and discern good from evil? What of God wanted us to think instead of accepting everything he gave to us as the only truth? And don't quote the Bible on me, that would contradict what I just asked!

              PS:James Have you read my question about the Fazer?
              What if, what if, what if. The problem with that scenario is there is nothing to support that being real, and therefore no motive to believe such a heresy. One way you can look at it is how True Christians(tm) act since we follow the Bible word-for-word and are the best examples of morality on the face of the earth. I can tell you that all my True Christian(tm) brothers and sisters here at Landover are the epitomes of morality. Therefore, the Bible is true.

              Watch the #1 Televangelist Gospel Hour in the World! "Turn or Burn: Accept Christ or Go to Hell with Rev. Jim Osborne." Check your local cable listings.

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              • johncarlos
                Unsaved trash, confused foreigner
                Forum Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 89

                #97
                Re: Hello

                Originally posted by James Dewitt View Post
                I know nothing of a fazer. My nephew works for HD. that is all I will ever own. I have a 1999 Electra Glide In Blue full dress, a queen seat for Mrs Dewitt, 85,000 miles and still riding well. Why do you Hate Jesus?
                The question was for James Hutchins, Sorry!
                Leviticus 21:8
                Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.

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                • TheLordSavedMe
                  A young lady servicing the Lord
                  True Christian™
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 579

                  #98
                  Re: Hello

                  Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
                  What if God placed bad things on the Bible on purpose so He could truly find those who can use their free will and discern good from evil?
                  What kind of "bad things" are you talking about? Like pentagram or a dead rat, stuff like that? Why would God put stuff like that on a Bible anyways?

                  But if He did, I would just take the bad thing off of the Bible and put the Bible away if I wasn't planning on reading it.

                  And if it was something REALLY REALLY bad and gross like dog poop or barf or something, I would put on dishwashing gloves first, because that stuff makes me gag!

                  But then I would wash off the Bible, and maybe even spray it with Lysol or Febreeze so it wouldn't be all stinky. I would hate it if my Bible was all stinky!!!

                  Tammi


                  Girls, do you have embarrassing "problems" with your down there parts like I used to?
                  Reverend Jim Osborne can help!



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                  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he. Deuteronomy 32-4

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                  • johncarlos
                    Unsaved trash, confused foreigner
                    Forum Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 89

                    #99
                    Re: Hello

                    Originally posted by GOD=life View Post
                    Interesting angle, but this would make yourself the arbiter of what God does and does not intend. With other words: you could justify any point of view simply by picking the parts that somehow could be interpreted to substantiate your claim and disregard the parts that don't. The information ratio relative to simply following your own conscience would thus be reduced to zero and you could toss out the Bible altogether.

                    Since we assume a completely logical and consistent God, we can only conclude that it is not His intention to effectively render the Bible useless.

                    The way modern Christians use the Bible does render it useless, both as a singular source of morality and otherwise.
                    I don't find the Bible useless if God put words in It wich could be wrong on purpose. In fact I see it as a selection tool for God. And you don't have to justify anything to anyone but God right? So you don't have to quote the Bible in order to be right or wrong, you only have to decide you, and only yourself, what is right or wrong and by doing that you'll be using your free will instead of follow the Bible to letter in order to avoid going to hell. God wouldn't give us inteligence if we were only suposed to follow a script...
                    Leviticus 21:8
                    Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.

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                    • Pastor Ezekiel
                      Putting the "stud" back in Bible Study
                       
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 78556

                      #100
                      Re: Hello

                      Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
                      I don't find the Bible useless if God put words in It wich could be wrong on purpose. In fact I see it as a selection tool for God. And you don't have to justify anything to anyone but God right? So you don't have to quote the Bible in order to be right or wrong, you only have to decide you, and only yourself, what is right or wrong and by doing that you'll be using your free will instead of follow the Bible to letter in order to avoid going to hell. God wouldn't give us inteligence if we were only suposed to follow a script...
                      But the Bible says we are supposed to adhere to it's every word. Contradicting God is never a good plan.

                      2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

                      2 Peter 1:20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

                      Matthew 5:18: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
                      Who Will Jesus Damn?

                      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

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                      • GOD=life
                        WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                        True Christian™
                        • Jan 2010
                        • 3263

                        #101
                        Re: Hello

                        Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
                        So you don't have to quote the Bible in order to be right or wrong, you only have to decide you, and only yourself, what is right or wrong ...
                        Ah, but you are trying to nudge us away from using the Bible under the guise of a rational argument. But okay, assuming you are not the Devil in disguise...

                        Do you follow secular laws? If so, why? If you have free will, can't you make up your own mind instead of following a script?

                        Also, in mathematics class, do you follow the rules your professor explains or do you follow your own ideas? You have free will and intelligence after all...

                        When you drop an apple, do you expect it to follow a script and fall to the ground?

                        Thus, the same argument can be applied to many different scenarios. Just because we have the instruction manual (Bible) does not mean we are robots with no input of our own.
                        I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                        Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                        Matthew 7:22
                        Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                        Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                        Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                        • johncarlos
                          Unsaved trash, confused foreigner
                          Forum Member
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 89

                          #102
                          Re: Hello

                          Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                          But the Bible says we are supposed to adhere to it's every word. Contradicting God is never a good plan.
                          I asked not to quote the Bible, because I was asking about the possibility of wrong things on the Bible, and so by saying "But the Bible says we are supposed to adhere to it's every word." you're quoting the Bible and according to my question possibly using some bad things as an example of how the Bible is correct. That would be contradictory when related to my question...
                          Leviticus 21:8
                          Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.

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                          • GOD=life
                            WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                            True Christian™
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 3263

                            #103
                            Re: Hello

                            Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
                            I asked not to quote the Bible
                            You ask a Pastor to not quote the Bible? That doesn't make sense. I have, however, presented an argument with no direct Bible references. You will see, however, that logic and the Bible are 100% compatible if we don't water it down with our own interpretation.
                            I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                            Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                            Matthew 7:22
                            Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                            Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                            Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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                            • johncarlos
                              Unsaved trash, confused foreigner
                              Forum Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 89

                              #104
                              Re: Hello

                              Originally posted by GOD=life View Post
                              Ah, but you are trying to nudge us away from using the Bible under the guise of a rational argument. But okay, assuming you are not the Devil in disguise...

                              Do you follow secular laws? If so, why? If you have free will, can't you make up your own mind instead of following a script?

                              Also, in mathematics class, do you follow the rules your professor explains or do you follow your own ideas? You have free will and intelligence after all...

                              When you drop an apple, do you expect it to follow a script and fall to the ground?

                              Thus, the same argument can be applied to many different scenarios. Just because we have the instruction manual (Bible) does not mean we are robots with no input of our own.
                              Touché my dear friend!

                              However I do believe secular laws where made by men, so some of them are definitely wrong as no men is perfect...

                              Mathematics leaves no room for free will, neither physics laws.
                              Leviticus 21:8
                              Thou shalt sanctify him therefore; for he offereth the bread of thy God: he shall be holy unto thee: for I the LORD, which sanctify you, am holy.

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                              • GOD=life
                                WARNING: Do not attempt to debate. You will lose horribly.
                                True Christian™
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 3263

                                #105
                                Re: Hello

                                Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
                                However I do believe secular laws where made by men, so some of them are definitely wrong as no men is perfect...
                                Ah, but what if laws were written by the same entity that "wrote" the programming of the universe? That's where the Bible comes in.

                                The point, however, is that your own creativity and decisions still make a unique "you", even when there are various boundary conditions. So regardless of whether the Bible was written by men or by God (*), in both situations you have enough room to be your own unique self.

                                (*) Technically, the Bible was indeed written by men. It was dictated by God.

                                Originally posted by johncarlos View Post
                                Mathematics leaves no room for free will, neither physics laws.
                                And yet, even within an inherently mathematical universe, we do have free will. Science confirms time after time that very simple elegant mathematical formulas can describe unimaginably complex mechanics. This is something you can agree on, regardless of your views on the Bible.

                                Unlike Biblical laws, the laws of physics are enforced accurately and in real-time. Yet even in the case of laws where you are forced to comply, you can still find ways to be an individual.
                                I take my orders from Jesus H. Christ, supernatural born US citizen

                                Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
                                Matthew 7:22
                                Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
                                Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

                                Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.

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