[chi49dcj]

Re: WWJD - America's Foriegn Policy

Thanks for all the input, definatley you all made some good points. I'll rest this worry with the Prince of Peace.

[James Dewitt]

Re: WWJD - America's Foriegn Policy

Young man, Jesus wants to know why you have left him. You need to bring your self and your family back to church and the warmth of Gods Love. A soul is a terrible thing to waste!


Matthew 16:26



For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

[TC Patriot]

Re: WWJD - America's Foriegn Policy

I would like o speak to he OP's questions in a more general sense.

Everything started to go down hill in America when that Papist Kennedy got elected. I praise Jesus every day for Lee Harvey Oswald. If Goldwater had been elected Viet Nam would have been over in a few hours and Cuba would have Democracy on the bottom of the ocean.

The Rooskies would have been glowing in the dark and the Middle East would have been converted to Christianity. Jesus would have been pleased.

[chi49dcj]

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I'm just curious then, so does God talk to our Presidents then directly or indirectly. I would love to find that out. I don't think God needs our men and women in uniform to do his own will. God can make natural disasters/blessings when he wants to right. I don't see how one who believes in Christ, are merciful father, can explain how Jesus would okay this foreign policy. I don't think Jesus would be o.k. with innocent women and children dying because of political gains, I also don't believe that every war that this country has been in, has been direct orders from God.
God knows and sees what we do, and the things that we let happen. I do believe that war is necessary if we are under a imminent attack, declare war, win the war, come home, and do not rebuild their country. I believe that our involvement in Iraq was a mistake, no matter how evil Saddam was, God had a plan for him, but I think that the U.S. stepped in front of him, and decided to do things our way, and not his way. War on Terror, how's that working out? We go and bomb villages where some suspected terrorists are, key word suspected. Innocent lives gone, and we wonder how they recruit new suicide bombers. Let me tell ya, if someone is willing to strap on a bomb onto their body, there must be a great motivation behind this. We have no reason to be in the Middle East Period!! God does not need our help to protect Israel. Yet we use this as an excuse to go to war, because it's politically correct. I'll pray for those souls, who believe otherwise, and pray that they find there way back to God.

[Paul Jeffery]

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I'm just curious then, so does God talk to our Presidents then directly or indirectly. I would love to find that out. I don't think God needs our men and women in uniform to do his own will. God can make natural disasters/blessings when he wants to right. I don't see how one who believes in Christ, are merciful father, can explain how Jesus would okay this foreign policy. I don't think Jesus would be o.k. with innocent women and children dying because of political gains, I also don't believe that every war that this country has been in, has been direct orders from God.
God knows and sees what we do, and the things that we let happen. I do believe that war is necessary if we are under a imminent attack, declare war, win the war, come home, and do not rebuild their country. I believe that our involvement in Iraq was a mistake, no matter how evil Saddam was, God had a plan for him, but I think that the U.S. stepped in front of him, and decided to do things our way, and not his way. War on Terror, how's that working out? We go and bomb villages where some suspected terrorists are, key word suspected. Innocent lives gone, and we wonder how they recruit new suicide bombers. Let me tell ya, if someone is willing to strap on a bomb onto their body, there must be a great motivation behind this. We have no reason to be in the Middle East Period!! God does not need our help to protect Israel. Yet we use this as an excuse to go to war, because it's politically correct. I'll pray for those souls, who believe otherwise, and pray that they find there way back to God.

You see, Mr. Chi, God has a purpose in all He does. First of all, natural disasters alone would not be put into their proper context without boots on the ground to warn people what such catastrophic events could mean. God is not happy about nations who do not believe and the blood of the children of those nations is on the hands of the non-believers. There is no shortage of Scripture to support that God is not in the least squeamish about making sinners pay by whatever means necessary.

Hosea 9:11-16 (King James Version)


11As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.
12Though they bring up their children, yet will I bereave them, that there shall not be a man left: yea, woe also to them when I depart from them!
13Ephraim, as I saw Tyrus, is planted in a pleasant place: but Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer.
14Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
15All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.
16Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.



Ezekiel 9:5-7 (King James Version)


5And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.



Exodus 12:29-30 (King James Version)


29And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
30And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.


Leviticus 26:21-22 (King James Version)


21And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
22I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.


Isaiah 13:15-18 (King James Version)


15Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
17Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

So who are we, as God's favorite country, to deny Him our service?

[James Dewitt]

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You see when them mooslims attacked us with out warning, or provocation, God requires us to defend ourselves.
Numbers 10:9



And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.


Here we are told if an enemy oppresess you, God will defend and save us, with a little help from the US Marines.

Deuteronomy 33:27



The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.


Here we are given directive to destroy our enemy


Judges 16:24



And when the people saw him, they praised their god: for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us.




And here God says it is right for us to kill mooslims, they attacked us and slew many good Christians.



Ezekiel 36:2



Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession:


Here we are told we have the right to take possession of the mooslim countries that cowardly attacked us.




We are not fighting mooslims to protect Joos.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I'm just curious then, so does God talk to our Presidents then directly or indirectly. I would love to find that out. [...]

George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

You see, God spoke directly to Mr Bush - GWB Heard That Voice in his own mind and soul.


(I doubt He would want to speak to this Darkie fellow.)

[Paul Jeffery]

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Yes, I've been away from the church, for about year. We've been checking out different churches for a while, haven't found one yet to settle down in...

I'm still awfully concerned over why you have ignored our questions about this. What was it that caused you to walk away from your Baptist church and, therefore, Jesus? Both Brother Dewitt and I have asked you about this, but you have, so far, been able to deflect this line of inquiry. Has Jesus done something to rub you the wrong way?

He loves you, ya know, and He wants you back, no matter what it is you blame on Him.

[chi49dcj]

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You see when them mooslims attacked us with out warning, or provocation, God requires us to defend ourselves.

This is where I believe we disagree, here's why. How many military bases do the Muslims have in North America? How many military bases do we have in the Middle East, and for that matter, across the globe? Religion aside, people do not like this, some see us as occupiers. If China set up a military base in your home town, and their soldiers would rape our women, and use lethal force if anyone rebelled, what do you think would happen? Why do we think it is o.k. for us to do this to other sovereign countries? Like I said before, if someone is willing to strap on a bomb onto their body, they must be motivated by something. Our country is bankrupt, we fund these wars with fiat money, borrowed from China. Our foreign policy needs a humble awakening, and I feel that God is trying to tell us something with our current economic mess, and these endless wars. Unfortunately where you see other countries being the enemy of God, I see the United States being the enemy of God. Look at our country, and what it has become, political leaders that think they're bigger then God, people thinking it's o.k. to kill innocent life, total loss of all humanity, and the glorification of all types of heathen entertainment. I pray for those who can not see this, and hope that God awakens them, like he has awoken me.
Jesus says: Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God"

[James Dewitt]

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This is where I believe we disagree, here's why. How many military bases do the Muslims have in North America? How many military bases do we have in the Middle East, and for that matter, across the globe? Religion aside, people do not like this, some see us as occupiers. If China set up a military base in your home town, and their soldiers would rape our women, and use lethal force if anyone rebelled, what do you think would happen? Why do we think it is o.k. for us to do this to other sovereign countries? Like I said before, if someone is willing to strap on a bomb onto their body, they must be motivated by something. Our country is bankrupt, we fund these wars with fiat money, borrowed from China. Our foreign policy needs a humble awakening, and I feel that God is trying to tell us something with our current economic mess, and these endless wars. Unfortunately where you see other countries being the enemy of God, I see the United States being the enemy of God. Look at our country, and what it has become, political leaders that think they're bigger then God, people thinking it's o.k. to kill innocent life, total loss of all humanity, and the glorification of all types of heathen entertainment. I pray for those who can not see this, and hope that God awakens them, like he has awoken me.
Jesus says: Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God"

You seem to have missed the scriptures posted that show us that we are in the right
Numbers 10:9
And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.

Here we are told if an enemy oppresses you, God will defend and save us, with a little help from the US Marines.
Deuteronomy 33:27
The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.
Here we are given directive to destroy our enemy
Judges 16:24
And when the people saw him, they praised their god: for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country, which slew many of us.
And here God says it is right for us to kill mooslims, they attacked us and slew many good Christians.
Ezekiel 36:2
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession:
Here we are told we have the right to take possession of the mooslim countries that cowardly attacked us.

We did not ask the Mooslim to attack our country now did we! You have to understand that the US of A is Gods favorite country and it is our job to defend it!


Please answer our question, Why have you turned your back on Jesus?

[chi49dcj]

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I'm still awfully concerned over why you have ignored our questions about this. What was it that caused you to walk away from your Baptist church and, therefore, Jesus? Both Brother Dewitt and I have asked you about this, but you have, so far, been able to deflect this line of inquiry. Has Jesus done something to rub you the wrong way?

He loves you, ya know, and He wants you back, no matter what it is you blame on Him.

Brothers I do apologize for not answering this question in a more timely manner. My wife and I left the church that I was raised in, due to the dissrepect given towards her and me, when they first set eye's on her son, born out of wedlock. My son Thomas is mixed, I've raised him since he was 3 months old, and since then I've adopted him as my own. Some of the words said and looks given were enough for me to make this decision. I prayed about this decision to marry my wife long before I did so. We've been visiting different churches around the community for about a year, we've found many that we like, there are a lot of good churches in our community, and it's hard to just pick one. We've built friendships in several of these churches, but we will settle in one, here soon.

[James Dewitt]

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Brothers I do apologize for not answering this question in a more timely manner. My wife and I left the church that I was raised in, due to the dissrepect given towards her and me, when they first set eye's on her son, born out of wedlock. My son Thomas is mixed, I've raised him since he was 3 months old, and since then I've adopted him as my own. Some of the words said and looks given were enough for me to make this decision. I prayed about this decision to marry my wife long before I did so. We've been visiting different churches around the community for about a year, we've found many that we like, there are a lot of good churches in our community, and it's hard to just pick one. We've built friendships in several of these churches, but we will settle in one, here soon.

Why would you blame the Church or the Members for wife's error. God is very clear on the subject.
Deuteronomy 23:2
A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

What did you mean when you said he was mixed? Is he part male and female

[chi49dcj]

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I do know where the church stands on this, my wife has repented, and has asked for forgiveness, she is a good Christian mother and wife. My son is African American and White, and he is already a better man then you will ever be. I see that your profession fits you well, have a nice day.
John 3:16 -20

[James Dewitt]

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I do know where the church stands on this, my wife has repented, and has asked for forgiveness, she is a good Christian mother and wife. My son is African American and White, and he is already a better man then you will ever be. I see that your profession fits you well, have a nice day.
John 3:16 -20

Son it is not our choice, that was made by your wife. We abide by Gods words as found in the KJV 1611, we live by all His words every last one. Don't hate Jesus He did not make the choice to bare a child out of wed lock now did He.

[chi49dcj]

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When someone asks for forgiveness, and asks Jesus to come into their heart, those sins have been cleansed. For some in that church, they were still not willing to forgive. So we left. My problem is not with Jesus, we're doing just fine, my problem is with hypocritical so called Christians.